World's King

I saw two men get shot and killed this evening.

I'm still a little too... fucked... to tell the story but I will share it with you within the next few days.


Has anyone here seen anyone get killed? How did you deal with it?

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NotMinus

Thats terrible, I have not seen anyone die in front of me and I hope not too. My only advice would be to talk to someone about how you feel and don't keep it pent up.

Lebell

Damn.

Really.

Let me know if you want to talk, I'm here.

Damn.

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sexymama

You are in my prayers! Please, please, find someone to talk to!

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maleficent

Be thankful AND DON'T FEEL GUILTY that it wasn't you.
Find someone to hug you, and hug them back really hard.
Don't blame yourself.
Talk about how you are feeling. There's going to be a lot of shit going thru your brain right now, don't suppress it.

Get some sleep, and if it works for you, have a good cry.

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analog

I've seen several people die, when I interned at the hospital, and i've seen two people in car accidents get killed, and one homeless guy who was hit crossing the highway down in miami...

but murdered like this, no...

Talk it out, even if you talk to the floor, but don't keep that shit inside. And yeah, have a good cry.

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ARTelevision

walking down a stree in nyc.
guy on a bike was hit by a car.
he was thrown into the air
landed on his head in the gutter as I was walking by.
his head was cracked open.
the blood made a huge scarlet puddle in about a second.
crowd gathers.
he's dead.

I didn't deal with it.
I don't "deal" with everything that happens.

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World's King

It started out an odd evening. Fireworks exploded over downtown for our 4th of July celebration. I was sitting in a park with a good friend, drinking PBR and wondering why at 23 years old fireworks just don’t have the same affect. Oh well, as we sat there we we’re approached by two cops that we had seen talking to other random people in the park. They were looking for a missing female that had disappeared about four hours earlier. And seeing as how we had just sat down we had nothing to say. The odd part was that most of the time cops will ID me if they see me drinking… especially in a fuckin’ park on the Fourth. Not today. They just walked away. When the fireworks ended I got into my car and headed to the bar. I had a few drinks with a few more friends and a co-worker of mine decided we should all go back to her house because her girlfriend is outta town. After party.

We got to her house at about midnight. Opened beers and brewed some coffee. We sat on her back porch talking, laughing and having a great time. Now just behind her there is an apartment complex that for some reason always seems to have a huge party goin’ on in it. Tonight was no exception. A whole shit load on people, a mixed bag of wannabe gangsters kept spilling out into the street, playing with there “tricked out” Hondas and blasting horrible rap music through the neighborhood. Well, it was a matter of time before something bad happened. A group of guys showed up and walk in. About twenty minutes later we heard a little bit of screaming but nothing that would be odd coming from a party full of guys that think they’re fuckin’ Tu-Pac. And I really do hate to stereotype these people and act like they have no worth in society. But for the most part… they fuckin’ don’t. They cause problems no matter where they go. They live the life of a stereotype. Why wouldn’t I want to stereotype them? And for the most part before last night I couldn’t give a flying fuck about them.

The argument got bigger. A few people came out to the street to talk. Now, you have to understand that we can see all of this and they know we are there. They waved. So, doin’ our best to ignore the rap video goin’ on in front of us we go back to talking… until

I looked up when the yelling got louder. Two of the men ran out the door and then the first shot was fired and the guy just went down. I didn’t see where it cam from. He was there… then he wasn’t. About seven more shot were fired. Both men laid dead under the street light in plain fuckin’ view of all of us sitting on the porch. I never saw who shot them. All I saw was the flash from the gun in the dark and two dead men. That’s all.

I stayed in my seat. Just stared. The shooter calming walked back into the house. Later to emerge with a girl on his arm. He got into his car and drove away. We called 911. They showed up and about 45 minutes later (no joke). Two men get shot in the street. You have five witness. You take your sweet ass time. Makes no sense to me. By the time the cops showed up everyone had left. The place was empty. And the two men… still under the street light. Okay, so I know you’re thinking why didn’t I or someone go help them. I don’t know. It didn’t even cross my mind.

I spent the next five hours telling my story. Sitting in the police station till six in the fuckin’ morning. I need coffee.

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bermuDa

holy crap dude, that is heavy...

you know where i am if you need to chat get some sleep bud!

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SecretMethod70

Geez dude......that's just.....man.

Pretty crazy that they took 45 minutes to get their - it's their own damn fault they won't catch the guy (although, maybe they can get it out of the person who owns the place where the party was).

I don't find it odd that you didn't go down there. To be honest, I don't think I would have either. A situation like that, you don't know if everyone involved is gone or not, and if you go down there and try to help, you don't know if they're gonna be pissed and shoot you too or something. You called 911 and I don't think there's anything that you needed to do at that point.

Crazy stuff man...hang in there.

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The_wall

Damn that fucked up. Were the 2 guys that were shot wanna be thugs too?

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World's King

So, I was just thinking.

We see people being shot and killed in movies and on TV everyday. And not only does it not phase us anymore but most of the time we cheer when it happens. Now what I saw was straight out of a film. Homies throw a party, rival gang shows and and two people end up dead. Dorky whit kid that was next door witness the whole thing. Last night I was just in shock and I didn't have any real emotion about it. But now that I've slept and eaten something... it's not bothering me at all. I'm about to shrug it off and go on. I've seen a few fucked up things in my life. Remember the story about the homeless man that was hit by the bus that I told a little while ago? People die all the time. Why shoudl this be any different.

You play with fire you will get burned.

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The_wall

I know what you mean TOK. Most of the time death is too impersonal for me to care all that much.

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thunder

Saw a guy hit an car with a motorcycle years ago. Heard the crash and saw him thrown through the air. I can still see and hear what happened with great detail if I just think about it. Went and got drunker than Cooter Brown. For me only time took away the constant thoughts of what I saw. Now it is just an unpleasant memory.

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Astrocloud

I actually saw my mother die thrashing around in a bed. It is fucked up.

Esco

O.K. ... sorry to hear about your ordeal. I grew up in a tough neighborhood and seen some pretty messed up stuff. Stuff like what you're talking about. Sad part about it, it got to be so ordinary that most people didn't seem to be bothered by it anymore.

Very sad indeed.

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Karby

sorry to hear that had to happen to you.
i saw a guy get flipped in to the air off of a motorcycle by a car sometime back. he flew and landed on the other side of the street. he lied there for a couple of seconds, then he got up and walked away witha really huge knot on his forehead.
..even till today, i never j-walk.

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Merlocke

Sorry to hear about what you saw.

I've seen things people shouldn't have as well. Similar to what you had. It's terrifying knowing that it could just "happen" and that there's not a whole lot you can do about it during the moment. Nobody blames you for not going down there. You do what you can. Calling for the cops is all you could have done without endangering yourself, or your friends.

Be careful though. If the party downstairs knows that you are witnesses, I'd keep an eye out for a bit.

Sometimes - I know the police take awhile to reach a crime scene depending on the situation. Even though they're there to serve and protect, they're human too. Sometimes I hear that they take their time reaching calls like that b/c it is dangerous. Nobody wants to die.

I hope the whole gangster thing passes sometime soon. Pride is something not worth dying for. I hate needless violence.

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denim

In movies, we know it's fake. On the news, it happened far away, usually. You saw it right there. I can't say I've had that happen, so I don't know what it's like. At least it was no one you know.

raeanna74

Closest I've been to death was when I was 16. We had just stopped out car in a parking lot off the main road into the next town. I was watching out the window. I saw a hatchback Concord go off the edge of the road just a little bit. They driver jerked the car back onto the road and the lip from the McAdam to the gravel caught the front wheel. The car jerked and began to roll it seemed like it almost gained momentum as it bounced and rolled down the road into town. About the time the windows of the car were even with us it bounced up in the air, the driver slide out the window and for a split second I saw his body before the car landed once again and he disappeared under the car. None of the people were wearing seat belts. All were killed from being thrown or partially thrown from the car. I always wear my seat belts.

That's rough man. I hope you can handle this. I would be in such a state of shock after seeing that. It would seem unreal to me as I'm sure it did to you.

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KMA-628

Very emotional thread. Its amazing when these things happen right in front of us.

After reading your story about the incident, one question pops in my mind. I ask only out of curiousity.

At first you mentioned:

And then said:

Where you able to identify the shooter? Hopefully that will help the police find the guy.

45 minutes is ridiculous for a response time - I would complain about it. My concern would be a repeat performance by the police , but this time it would be about somebody I cared for.

crow_daw

I've never personally seen anyone die, but I can't hardly handle deaths in movies man. I can't imagine seeing what you saw.

I honestly think I would be tramautized for life. But I hope you're stronger than I. Hang in there man, that's absolutely terrible.

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Key

jesus. makes me think what a sheltered life i've had. i grew up not knowing true violence. i didn't even know what weed looked like until college.

saw some fights, people hit on bikes but nothing that caused very serious injuries. a new recruit in a frat that lived next door to me died of alcohol poisioning. but i've never seen an act of pure hatred, rage, or anything scary like that.

some people say i'm lucky to never have witnessed anything like that, but i have to question how much you know about yourself if you've never been involved or simply witnessed true violence.

kurtisj

yea thats nuts. just give it time. im sure u'l get thru it

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Jam

did you get a good look at the guys car?

so your ready to shrug it off, do you think its because your desensitized from movies... or more so from your enviroment, you mentioned movies, and in movies i dont have a problem with that stuff but i dont think it would be the same in front of me...

tecoyah

King.....Been there. Took about a week for the emotions to really kick in. I know I was extremely lucky to have a psycologist in the family (mom) as when I needed to release the anger, she helped me do so.
We will all deal with this sort of thing in our own ways, and by writting it down here you are getting rid of alot of negative shit.....good. I wish you the best, and will also offer an ear should you need it, just dont bottle this crap up, I did for awhile and it didn.t help at all.

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Casus Belli

I agree with tecoya: talk, write or express yourself about it in some kind of way, especially now it is still fresh... don't bottle it up.. stay realistic, but don't hestitate to pass on thoughts and feelings about it! That may help giving this fucked up, illogical, irrational thing somekind of place in your head. Since you will be carrying this with you for the rest of your life, it'll be good sharing it with people. You can't cope with this all by yourself, find some people you trust...
Don't spend too much time on what-ifs and would-haves. That can make you go nuts.

Stay strong, dude, don't let this ruin your mind or good spirits for too long. You just happened to be at the wrong spot at the wrong moment.

I wish you all the best.. and i'll follow this thread closely. If you feel like it, post how you're feeling.

dualman7

Did this happen in the bronx? Just wondering because I just saw a similar story on the news.

SixEdxMia

((((HUG))))

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ForgottenKnight

Wow. That's messed up. The whole world we live in today is messed up. It's a shame that sort of thing happens. We're here for you, so when the feelings kick in, express them to us. PM me if you need someone to talk to.

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todd

Holy shit. Thats really insane.
I can't believe the cops took so long. That's a very bad thing.

If you find out if the cops caught the guy who did it, do let us know

Jared Jones

Crazy stuff, I've only seen one bad accident close up and it was with a motorcycle and a green bonniville, the guy was going about 55 or 60, hit a car turning left into a parking lot, the guy flew about 25 feet and rolled, felt kinda weird seein someone fly like that.... not sure if he died but still freaky...

alicat

I know this thread is old, but since it was reserected, I thought I'd post. I really don't have much to say except I hope you've been coping well. My Hubby, when he was a young teen, saw a school bus hit and cut in half an old woman crossing the road. I have thankfully never witnessed something so horrific. He saw this nearly 20 yrs. ago. Just last week we were discussing something unrelated but tied-in, and when I brought his incident up, he got teary eyed and told me to drop the subject (and this is from a guy who is usually not too emotional).

Having traumatic experiences like these always stay with you. You have to somehow find a way to subdue them so that they are something you can live and cope with.

Original King, I hope you are dealing well with what you witnessed and have come to some kind of personal understanding and acceptance (if that's possible) that has helped you to at least become acclimated to the emotions that resulted from what you saw.

Makes me wonder why as a race (humans) we are so facinated with crap like "Faces of Death". Pretty sad really....

Ali

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analog

Death as a concept doesn't bother me. It's only when there's an emotional attachment do I feel any sadness.