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Detention never had so many kids lining up . . . .

Man, where was she when I was a 14yr old (actually she was 5) . . . . but you get the idea

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skinnymofo

now im wondering if the kids found pictures of her (similiar to the first one that was linked by Cicero) that could show birth marks in different areas that would usually be covered up at school?
I too must say that its sick because of the age gap but in the same situation i would of went in and kept it to myself, it would be one hell of an ego boost.

stingc

Because pedophilia involves children. Children that have no interest in sex because, by definition, they haven't entered puberty yet. They are therefore being forced or tricked somehow into doing things that are unnatural to them.

This case has none of those characteristics. A 14 year old is not a child in any sense but the legal one. He could very easily look 16-18, which would put him in a reasonable range for a young woman to be physically attracted to him. Further, 14 year old boys want sex. They probably want it more then than at any other time in their lives. This was in no sense a forced act.

He also will not regret his actions later. Well maybe now that she's in jail over it, but he would've been fine otherwise.

So it was consentual, and he probably looked essentially adult. For a fuckbuddy type relationship, that's really all you need.

Its easy to see why the "double standard" everyone is talking about exists. Look at the responses on this thread, or equivalent threads on any other board. Men and women seem to have very different views on this. Its remarkable how uniformly divided they are.

*Nikki*

Has anyone entertained the idea that this whole story is made up?

analog

I have. I sincerely doubt it. I think maybe the kid is making it up, or his dad wanted some of her and got denied, and this is his payback.

I'd bet money this is bullshit.

water_boy1999

Sure, I have thought it to be a farce too. I have heard far stranger stories though so it isn't hard to believe either.

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Arsenic7

A few points:

1. Children don't have the legal ability to consent. Otherwise the same thing could happen with a 5 year old if he was sufficiently duped.

2. The whole double standard thing.

3. He went to the police...how the hell can you say he wasn't disturbed by this, or even call him stupid, if he went to the police? That's almost like saying that a female rape victim deserved it because she was wearing slutty clothes...you're second guessing the victim and that makes me sad.

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Kazic

whole situation smacks of weird.

Just married attractive young woman.
14yr old boy
15yr kid driving a car while sex is happening in the back seat.
double standard for women and men as pedophiles.

I can't say that its cool for the boy or not. I can't say it would be cool for anyone unless that situation was mine.
I can say that if he told his Mom which is a big deal He was obviously upset about it.

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KellyC

I just saw this on the news, she is quite a looker...
I find it hard to believe how a woman attractive such as she would do something like this...so, I remain skeptical, wouldn't surprise me if this was made up.

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ARTelevision

She has stated she did it because she "liked the danger"

I see no reason not to believe it.

I also see no reason not to be appalled by it...

...other than blatantly sexist ones.

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skaterpunk

Just go back to the mjmorningshow homepage for other pics. In the freshman yearbook photos I recognize 3 kids. She graduated from my university... and some of the sex happened less than 10 min from my house. That's funny I didn't know they updated the page. Makes and Models is a magazine that my friends dad is the editor of as well. 23 is way too young to be married. This is perfect proof of it. Anyways when you see her pictures you know that she looks like a stripper/porn star... or just someone that really likes sex. This ordeal doesn't surprise me. I have had hot subs, but in Tampa a teacher like this is not the norm.

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It is great to see what is becoming of my hometown. I mean Superbowl Champs then NHL Champs then sex with teachers.

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Stompy

Here's more stuff about it - wedding pics, police reports, etc..

http://www.schnittshow.com/main.html

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water_boy1999

Thanks for the link stompy. I am still clueless as to why she would do this. The guy she married seems like a good looking guy. All I want to know is WHY?????

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Spanxxx

She's extremely cute. That doesn't make her smart though.

Everyone knows she should have gone to the high school to pick up guys.

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ARTelevision

as for the reason - it is not mysterious as reported in many places already. she is alleged to have stated many times that it turned her on to do something dangerous and illegal.

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Blackthorn

He didn't "go to the police". Read the police report....

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That's right He didn't go to the police and he didn't tell his mom. The mom of the friend who drove them around overheard them talking about it. She told his mom. When his mom confronted him he tried to lie, but was caught. His mom then called the police.

Also the police setup a phone conversation between the teacher and the kid. The police heard her admit that they were having sex. I don't see how the kid could have made up the story unless the police report is fake.

It's all in the police report. Read it at thesmokinggun.com.

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santafe5000

I am now wondering if in the near future we will here that she has posed for one of the Men's magazines to pay her legal fees.
She is a very attractive young lady and i would imagine one of the publisher's would really jump on this.
I know that some states have laws to prevent criminal's from profiting from their crime's ( Movie deals and Book deals). If they photo's were taken before her conviction, they might be able to print them.
However, by posing, she might hurt her legal case, you know, implying she is "That type" of woman.
One thing you can probably count on is, she won't be getting any more teaching offer's, even if she is aquitted. Not many school districts would want that publicity. Guilty in the press!!

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Merlocke

Ditto - hell if she don't have any diseases - it's all good.
How many kids can say "I schtupped the teacher"?

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cosmoknight

Wow! I would hate to see teachers prey on their students but man if I was 14 and hooked up with that.

Averett

It looks like her face was photoshopped on. The skin tones don't match at all.

Either that or she really needs to find a new foundation

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BAD photoshop

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Cowman

Sorry, but im confused as to what you're going on about.

YIm getting the impression from what you've said that you're thinking something along the lines of: "if this was a young girl and an old guy there would be outrage! but because it's a young guy and a old girl it's acceptable! what a fucked up society!!"...yet, it's not acceptable. Look at all the media, and all the charges brought on the women by the police. Clearly, there is a massive outrage over this incident.

Unless, you're pissed off because a bunch of jokers on the internet are saying it would be cool to do that as a 14 year old...in which case, you need to take what you read on the internet less seriously...

You can't change what individual thoughts think; some people think that killing people is cool, others think that having sex with young children is cool. That will never change no matter what you do.

However, saying that "society" accepts older women having sex with young boys just because a few people are saying it's cool is..rediculous. The very fact that there is huge media, community, police, whatever, outroar over this event SHOWS that this is no longer acceptable in our society.

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Averett

I agree pretty much what you said except for this part. I realize that the TFP isn't exactly the best cross-section of society. I mean, it's got forums specifically for porn, of course guys are going to say "I'd hit it."

But I still think that most people don't think this is nearly as bad as a 23 year old male teacher having sex with a 14 year old female student. But hey, I could be wrong. It's been known to happen a time or two

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Cowman

Ok, I agree that it isn't seen as being as bad. I was confused and thought you were saying that it is seen as being acceptable.

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Astrocloud

I'm oddly aroused by this situation.

CandleInTheDark

I find it hard to consider a 14 year old a child. Certainly not an adult, but definitely not a child.

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themisfit

I just don't get it. I don't care if he did look 16-18...14 yrs old shouldn't be attractive to a 23 yr old woman. One news report I heard stated she liked it because it was bad or wrong or some shit...come on.

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Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaagg made a double post...read below.

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Sensei

I just heard about this on CBS's Early Show and was shocked to find a five-month old thread on Ms. Lafave. As a member of the male gender I'm obligated to say "I'd hit it regardless of my age and carry a smile on my face." OK, glad I got that out of my system. Go to www.cbs.com and their Early Show section and they may still have the video up. http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/earl...arlyShow.shtml

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gh0ti

The smoking gun has a new feature about her on the site. It looks like they released the police file on the case. Pretty weird.

IDK to me a 14 year old boy knows whats going on enough to go along with what happened.

Vincentt

To say it is morally wrong is ethnocentric.
However, it is illegal, and she should be punished as such.

TexanAvenger

Better watch out or somebody might tag you for serving alcohol to minors...

But seriously, all the guys on here that're rooting the kid on, stop. Averett seems to be one of the more sensible people on here in pointing out that it's no different than if it were a male teacher and a female student. What's more, there's the legality issue (though I find that to be the lesser of the issues here).

Honestly, I think the kid's making it all up. Maybe she wasn't his teacher, but a friend's? I've known kids to attack teachers by making things up before and, while people can be pretty screwed up, I find it hard to believe that she was attracted to a 14 year old. Not because of how she looks, but because of the immaturity of the average 14 year old. Imagine you're in her position. Is a pimply, whiny, kid the kind of thing you desire? The whole story just doesn't cut it with me, doesn't add up quite right.

flstf

IMHO, boys and girls are different. A young boy having sex with an older lady is probably not going to effect him nearly as much as a young girl with an older man. We are just wired differently, no matter what the law says. Come on guys, think back. Do you really think it would have harmed you to nail one of your sexy teachers? Girls seem to take matters of love and sex much more seriously than boys at that age.

iamnormal

Yeah society is sexist. Women are still seen as lower than men.
What is good enough for a 14 year old boy isn't seen that way for a girl the same age. But people still think of girls as weaker and it's a shame.

smooth

I don't think her position is any more sensible than someone who says that this is acceptable behavior. especially if that person thinks if the gender roles were reversed, that situation would be acceptable, too.
As I do.

Where does the outrage stem from other than the fact that those outraged accept the laws as determined. I think these age categories are outmoded and irrational. I'd also note that the reason for the outrage differential between boys/girls is not due to females being "weaker" sex, but maybe people think that. Even if it were, it should be noted that a 14 year old girl is more mature than a 14 year old boy. But if either one can understand the difference between right and wrong, between sexuality and not being a sexual being, then all power to the two human beings deciding what they want to do with their lives outside the webs of control society feels the need to constrain their human sexuality.


I ask myself this: if a 14 year old boy or girl can decide to pick up a gun and kill someone, resulting in being charged as an adult and sent to prison

and if that same adolescent can decide to aid in committing a "crime" by saying--don't worry, I won't tell if we do this or that

then that same adolescent is demonstrating the same mental capacity of determining between right and wrong for himself just as the 14 year old can be determined to be of adult reasoning capacity in the offense of murder.


if an adolescents can be determined to reason like an adult when committing murder or assault, then they can be determined to reason like an adult when it comes to sex.

What I think is "fucked up" is people wedded to traditional views on behavior or laws without critically assessing the foundation they rest upon.

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Strange Famous

Thats a good point. A teacher has sex with a 14 year old girl and you'd call the teacher a paedophile, and if it was your daughter you'd be ready to kill the guy. A 14 year old boy, and most people's natural reaction is "lucky bastard"

Double standard... I guess, but I cant deny my own reaction is similar. If I had had the chance at 14 I would have, and I wouldnt expect anyone to call me a victim.

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LoganSnake

Where have all these sex-having teachers been when I was in school?

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Lockjaw

Ok this is purely from a male perspective but I don't consider this a double standard. Yes I come down on an older guy for having sexual relations with a young female...I also don't think what the teacher in this case did was right and I'm not defending her. BUT considering I know what it's like to be a horn dog 14 year old...if I had a hot teacher that wanted to do that with me at that age...you couldn't have stopped me short of killing me. So I guess for this not to be a double standard..."If I was a 14 year old girl that had a chance to hump my teacher I would.". But for me to say that I'd have to be a female and I'm not so I can't say that because I've never had that experience. But I HAVE had the experience of wishing I had the ability to put the spurs to the teacher.
So in short...adult should have known better. Kid is going to be a kid and most of us guys had we had the opportunity at that age would have done the same. The end.