Key difference between liberals, conservatives – and their children
 

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So, do you agree or disagree with this?
I agree with every single word that is in this article.

I'll take one super-size order of AGREE and a Diet Coke, please.

Would it be redundant of me to chime in and agree also?

I agree.

I agree and could add some stories, especially about one little hellion of a child, the daughter of a writer and a minister, both very liberal.

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Re: Key difference between liberals, conservatives – and their children
 

This might be the wrong board for this, as I think the arguements will be staged along political lines.

Obviously, Sixate, an opinion written by someone from the right. But if you say that kids who act poorly are most likely from liberal lineage...

...what about kids rebeling from their far-right conservative parents?
...what about kids who are raised with hatred for other races or religions raised by far-right wackos?
...what about kids who are not told 'no' by their conservative parents?

I love how these guys spin President Bush seamlessly in and out of arguements that have nothing to do with him. If anything, President Bush is not receiving any award for restraining his kids...

Finally, since the article brings up President Bush on the aircraft carrier parked ten miles out to sea from San Diego, lets remember he spent most of his time during the Vietnam war studiously guarding Iowa as a member of the National Guard.

Guess that'll make it 6 to 1.

Nice job Six!

I don't see it.
I don't think parents have much effect on their kids at all.
I think the media teaches kids how to behave.

Nope, can't say as I do, particular. Sounds like a lot of oversimplified, partisan drum banging.
I have a cousin who is a third generation family farmer, died-in the wool, regular church-goin' conservative type. His boys were little hooligans, appeased rather than disciplined.
My mother is quite liberal, in her way, particularly on social issues, and boy, did we mind.
I've voted a mostly liberal ticket through the years, but my kids will learn to mind, same as I did.

I think the writer is confusing political leanings with basic parental laziness, and a general feeling of "It's all about my rights" that cuts across society as a whole. Everybody is just too damn defensive anymore, whether of themselves, or their children, kinda thing. Sorta like: "Well, okay, my kid is being an ass, but how dare you, a perfect stranger, point that out to me. Are you trying to tell me I'm not a perfect parent? Just for that, I'm gonna let my kid keep being an ass. That'll show you!"

I guess my point, if I have one, is to ask why everything has to boil down to a liberal/conservative issue?

I'll be quiet now.

Art I really think you are wrong on this one. People get from their children just about what the expect from their children. So long as one doesn't have unreal expectation the kid will give back just about what the parent wants. I know that from teaching a student whose parents are willing to accept C's makes C's or D's. If the family expects A's they will probably get them if the child is capable. This probably holds true only in families that are "real" families. My son is 33 - he has never done anything in his life that would make me anything other than proud of him - I hope he can say the same about me.

Sorry to bug in on the conversation LiquorDealer, but are parents who tend to have liberal ideals incapable of high expectations for their children? They are willing to accept less?

I know you are debating media/parental influence, but nothing you just brought up supports why you answered above that conservative leaning individuals are less likely to raise hooligans. Conservative people love their kids and expect more of them? Come on. I'm sorry, I just don't see any relationship.

I will open the can of worms - Yes - I do believe that those who are extremely liberal have much lower expectations - for example - those who use drugs usually are not concerned with the example they set for their children. Do conservatives expect more from their kids? I believe they do - simply from the differences in lifestyles. What is acceptable behavior in a liberal household would probably never fly in a conservative home. I don't know if I helped this any or not - just my own personal opinion.

in reply to arts comment about media raising kids....that happens when the parents fail to do their job, and therfore the kids turn to the easiest source of informatiuon about how society works, and therefore they shoudl behave, TV.

my (conservative) parents taught me well, i believe, well, i certinly never beat the snot out of someone for no reason, and i was never a little terror kicking the seats in front of me...

in short I AGREE!!!

Opinion respected.

The problem is this.You have a whole whack of people who think the world fucking well revolves around themselves and their asshole kid's,and that there are no exceptions. I agree

I have to disagree with you to art. The unfiltered media can definitely have a huge affect on kids but the parents need to control how much of an affect. When i was growing up my parents regulated how much tv i was allowed to watch and what shows i could see. I wasnt allowed to rent movies they didnt think i needed to be seeing (this one always pissed me off when my friends were talking about that great movie they saw). They also kept an eye on what i was reading. Some may call it censorship. My parents called it parenting. Looking at how i turned out vs some of those friends who could do anything they wanted i tend to agree w/ my parents.

oh ya in case yall didnt guess.......agree

it's ok.
think of me as a futurist.
the way I see it is:
every day that passes -
the role of parenting decreases in direct proportion to the increasing influence of the media.

as you know, this is a global conception of mine.

I'm content to be a voice in the wilderness

the media is taking our minds away day by day

it is taking your children away as well

if I can have some influence in having you take another look at this issue, I'm satisfied with that.

thanks.

I disagree wholehartedly , and think this columnist is full of shit.

Does he know the backgrounds of these girls? For all we know they could have come from conservitive church going , bible thumping familys.

Saying that just because of your political views or your religious beliefs that you have no value system and cannont raise your kids to be decent human beings, is just about as biggoted of a statment as ive heard in a while.

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I love the fact that somebody had the balls and the time to type that up. I woudl love to say that in more ways than one but the abortion thing kinda made me mad. What is so non conservative or so liberal about abortion is a persons choice and no man should decide what a woman who has to pass a watermelon through a whole that has trouble passing a lemon can do with that watermelon. Because thats what it is until it is in fact born. Not a living organism. I dont lose sleep over a tiny non thinking fetus dying. You eat meat dont you? Same thing only fetus's dont even think at much. Oh well other than the abortion thing i totally agree.

My mother was a classic liberal but I was raised knowing how to take care of farm animals, wash my own clothes, keep myself entertained without damaging anybody else, respect my elders, shoot a rifle, dance a jig, write a story and a whole lot of other things that seem to be classified as conservative values by this writer.
Druggies, self centered obnoxious, and just plain stupid people are not liberals. They are bad parents.

i completely disagree. conservative parents put out just as many, if not more, messed up children as liberal parents do. unfortunately, conservatives tend to have more children, you do the math...

I don't think it's just a simple liberal/conservative problem; I think it's an 'extremist' problem. It would be more fair to say, in my opinion, that kids from extremist left/right households are more inclined to bad behavior.

My mother was a liberal when I was growing up and I still know right from wrong and fit into society quite well. My values are just as important and morally sound as my conservative friends. They are no less and I am just as strong in my convictions.

I think that stupid/reckless/troublemaking/ignorant kids come from stupid/reckless/troublemaking/ignorant parents, and they fall on a wide range over the liberal/conservative chart.

coming from my own place......liberals teach you to think and to analyzeand be human among a crowd of humans....while cons teach you to follow and find your own place in a group. wrong? sure maybe but for now...truth

I agree with Somenosuke. I know liberalism and it's not synomymous with laziness.

As for an example raised in this article, what in the hell kind of child is a ultra militant pro-lifer going to raise? About the same kind of kid an militant Islamist or Communist is going to raise.

"Son - all I want is for you to be the best gosh darn abortion clinic bomber you can be. Now let me help you load that fertilizer in the truck."

This shit is not about liberals versus conservatives. It's about extremists and morons versus civilized people.

what the HECK?? are you blaming bad parenting on liberals?

i bet half of these parents dont even know wtf liberal means.


liberals dont brain wash their kids w/ ideas that they have. they let the kids make up their own view-points, independantly. like on religion for example, a liberal parent wouldnt take his/her son/daughter to church every sunday and brainwash them beyond hope.

i know many conservative kids and they spend half their time in church.


this article just cracks me up, because a kid doesnt want to listen to their parents, it's cuz parents are liberal?

and most of the girls raised conservatively (i do live in the bible belt) are taught to be submissive to men.

my teacher asked this girl in class about where she is going to college, and she responded "it doesnt really matter, since i'm going to be a housewife" - i can tell you that no girl child raised by a liberal parent would say this.

and a majority of girls in my town would say that men are superior to women just cuz they're men - absolute bull shit.

I saw no information about whether the parents of the kids in question were liberal or conservative. The author seemed to draw the conclusion that because the kids behaved badly, they must have liberal parents, and that well-behaved kids are that way because they have conservative parents. Bad parents come in all political stripes. The author of the article co-opted the issue at the football game to support the political point he wanted to make.

liberal/conservative... just words.

truly it is more based in ACTIONS of the parents rather than the words. Generalizing the actions into liberal and conservative is absurd, but alas its just an oversimplification

Dude - you are talking about your home town in India! Right? If this drivel is supposed to reprsent Texas you must have found a time lapse to move into!

The fact that this stupid female realizes that she is stupid and was placed on earth to be nothing but a brood cow speaks for itself - liberal/conservative, religious/non-religious, or any other comparison you might choose to make would not alter that decision. As far as Texas women saying you're superior to them cause you've got a dick! Some Texas woman is probably gonna' bitch slap your 'superior' ass into the dirt.

well, come down here and texas, and you'll see that a majority of teenage girls share the same view points about their status.

I don't disagree that there are kids that are out of control BUT I do take issue with making it a Liberal vs. Conservative thing...

Being conservative doesn't give you a monopoly on being a bad parent.

Someone above touched on the issue... Many parents are too self centred. They don't understand that when you have kids it isn't all about you anymore. You need to spend time with your kids.

It is this lack of attention that leads to childeren being plunked down in front of the TV/Video Game/Internet with no supervision.

Add to this the fact that way too many parents have no idea how to disipline their kids (and I don't mean hitting them by that). I mean instilling in your kid a sense of responsibility (for their actions, themselves, etc) and consequences (if you don't live up to your responsibilities there will be a negative consequence).

This can only be accomplished by spending time and paying attention to your kids.

Dude! I was born a Texan in 1938. Texas girls didn't have that attitude when I was your age - much less now! And I realize Texas doesn't deserve a lot of respect but it does start with a "T"!

One more in the AGREE side. Clearly there are examples of conservative parents raising up children that become very rebellious. Look at Jim Morrison; his dad was a very conservative Navy Admiral. But I believe that to be the exception to this rule.

well, i'm going to a texas high school now and trust me, 75% of the chicks have this attitude

That article belongs in the outhouse frankly.

Case in point......

George W. Bush.

Fater was Georger Herbert Walker Bush. Mother was Barbara Bush. A fine upstanding tory family.

Seems to me in his younger years, W was a bit irresponsible. Heck, he didn't even work till he was 40. And even then, he didn't really work as most of us know it.

Didn't do too well at school. Had a wee bit of a cocaine problem. Oh, and there were those three arrests, including DUI I believe.

But he did come from a fine upstanding conservative family.

Me on the other hand, my dad worked in a factory, my mother taught grade 3. I worked part time when i was in highschool from the age of 15 onwards (evenings and weekends, my first job being stripping paint for $2.15 an hour), still managed to pull off the marks to get into university. During the summers in university, i worked 12 hours a day from sun up till sun down in a steel fabrication shop and out on site hanging steel from the sky. I got my degree, hell, i even am enrolled in a masters programme part time. I speak 2 languages, I pay my taxes, I work full time, and do weekend side projects as well for 2 other jobs. Never collected a dime of assistance from anyone, knock on wood, never been on unemployment. I pay my own way. Never been arrested to the best of my knowledge either.

And my parents were both liberals.

So kiss my ass kid.

Could you make it clear which kid you're talking about here James.
I doubt that you are flaming anyone but wouldn't want there to be any misunderstandings.

Thanks.

Whoever wrote that article...

ummmm... the author of that story forgets one critical thing with respect to the hazing ritual. He implies that its a result of the liberal parents, but really, all it takes is for one rotten egg to be considered "cool" for something like this to happen. Its a common problem - sometimes referred to as "Group Think" and other times referred to as peer pressure.

Anyway, i'd have to side with art here, the media controls the upbringing of children much more than parents do, so i guess id disagree.