American beheaded by Iraqi complete thread

[forseti-6]

Spike I get what you're saying. We have a few problems at hand though. I'll trying to explain without getting too opinionated.

#1 We have poor civilian leadership in Rummy and Bremer. Rummy wanted to fight an efficient war. Bremer, the genius that he is, fired the Iraqi Army.

#2 Our Army is too small to make this a quick campaign. Again poor planning on Rummy's part.

#3 I believe once we turn over power to the Iraqi governing force, things will increase tremendously. Until that happens, the insurgents are going to continue their troublemaking.

[bigoldalphamale]

Originally posted by slvrnblck
but please stop making it seem like the entire islamic people are at fault for everything and that they are evil killers when Mr Bush started this entire thing to begin with. I am not on anyones side, I disagree with war in general.

actually, Mr. Bush was a teenager when 'this entire thing began' in the 50's when zionist Israel was given soveriegn control over a piece of land in the middle of the arab anti-zionist east. it progressed further when the US began brokering negotiations between Palestine and Israel. Everytime the US succeeded in persuading Israel to submit to Palestinian demands for land and soveriegnty, Palestine refused, revealing the true colors of arabs in the middle east as jew-hating militants who could not tolerate an unpure non-muslim contingency in thier holy land. Vastly outnumbered and outgunned, Israel appealed to the US for aid, diplomatic assistance, and protection. At that time, the US and the rest of the 'jew loving' west became the enemy of the arab middle east, and consequently islamic militants the world over. insert your random assertions about oil interests and Mr. Bush's passion for world domination, but history is the recorded transaction of facts, and it doesnt lie. islam has always been the uncooperative aggressor...not the US. it all comes down to me wanting my loved ones and fellow americans protected from the hi-jacked planes and thrusting blades of islamic militants. i trust Mr. Bush has my best interests in mind.

[Jesus Pimp]

Nick Berg went to my high school. I found out this evening. Totally shocking.

Bush needs to pull those troops out of there right now.

[SpikeQX99]

Forseti, I understand 100% what you said about the problems.

This whole thing either reminds me of the Keystone Cops or the 3 Stooges with Bush, Rummy, and Bremer.

And to bigoldalphamale to "trust that Mr. Bush has your best interests in mind" I'm glad to hear that someone has faith in this guy. Because I don't think he's done a thing for the people of the US that he's not had his fingers crossed behind his back or that wouldn't benefit him somehow.

How horrible is it to start a "war" just for the sake of trying to save face?

[Cynthetiq]

in honor of this man and those others that have died on BOTH sides of the conflict. Today, this is my flag.

[slvrnblck]

Originally posted by forseti-6
"This shit" DOESN'T go on everyday. And until you can prove otherwise, I can't do anything but take your comment as presumtion. Does prisoner abuse happen? I'm sure it does, but the extent of humiliation and torture? I highly doubt it.

Prove that it doesnt.

[clavus]

Originally posted by Macheath
These two visceral images are icons; symbolic representations. They both elicit a strong reaction but on two very different levels. The beheading represents the irredeemable madness of fanatics. The leash represents a monumental failure of command and policy.

The idea underlying both is a failure to respect the rights of another human being. In one case, their very right to life, their right to be free from psychological abuse.

The leash image is certainly "not as bad" but it exists on the same continuum of man's inhumanity to man - that extends all the way from punching a guy for being a certain race or creed....to mass genocide.

The very existence of the United States is meant to refute this inhumanity. America is meant to be the world's (last?) best hope for the rights of man. This is the underlying ideology.

The beheading hardens my resolve against forgiving the inhumanity of the prison guards. It shows me how truly bad things CAN become in this world and how America shold resist all temptation to ever set off down the same dark path.

Well said. Macheath's words serve as further evidence to my own personal theory - the Australians really have their shit together, more so than any other people on Earth.

[slvrnblck]

Originally posted by bigoldalphamale
actually, Mr. Bush was a teenager when 'this entire thing began' in the 50's when zionist Israel was given soveriegn control over a piece of land in the middle of the arab anti-zionist east. it progressed further when the US began brokering negotiations between Palestine and Israel. Everytime the US succeeded in persuading Israel to submit to Palestinian demands for land and soveriegnty, Palestine refused, revealing the true colors of arabs in the middle east as jew-hating militants who could not tolerate an unpure non-muslim contingency in thier holy land. Vastly outnumbered and outgunned, Israel appealed to the US for aid, diplomatic assistance, and protection. At that time, the US and the rest of the 'jew loving' west became the enemy of the arab middle east, and consequently islamic militants the world over. insert your random assertions about oil interests and Mr. Bush's passion for world domination, but history is the recorded transaction of facts, and it doesnt lie. islam has always been the uncooperative aggressor...not the US. it all comes down to me wanting my loved ones and fellow americans protected from the hi-jacked planes and thrusting blades of islamic militants. i trust Mr. Bush has my best interests in mind.

Man, u sure did waste time typing that up, I was talking specifically about todays war in Iraq, nothing about 1950. And of course you trust Mr. Bush, you have been brainwashed.

[bigoldalphamale]

Originally posted by SpikeQX99

And to bigoldalphamale to "trust that Mr. Bush has your best interests in mind" I'm glad to hear that someone has faith in this guy. Because I don't think he's done a thing for the people of the US that he's not had his fingers crossed behind his back or that wouldn't benefit him somehow.

How horrible is it to start a "war" just for the sake of trying to save face?

i refuse to believe that so many of those who constantly chastise Bush about his foriegn policy know so precious little about why the US is there fighting a 'war'. Rhetoric is the tool used to keep simple minded fools in the media, and quite obviously in the general public as well, preoccupied. at what point do you fail to recognize that the fundamental goal of millions and millions of islamic militants around the globe is to end the western way of life as we know it. to spread thier tortured and twisted version of islam by using murder and fear. so what?...Bush's rhetoric called for a search of WMD, but everyone with a clue knows that we are there to eliminate our enemies and supporters of our enemies. afghanastan and iraq being key supporters.

[forseti-6]

Originally posted by slvrnblck
Prove that it doesnt.

Prove that it does. You can't tell someone to prove the negative. It's like you asking me to prove God DOESN'T exist, while it would be much much easier to prove that he does.

[anleja]

After being disturbed by the Daniel Pearl video a while ago, I think I'll pass on seeing this.

What a mess. My 18 month old daughter is growing up in a totally different world than I did.

[forseti-6]

Originally posted by slvrnblck
Man, u sure did waste time typing that up, I was talking specifically about todays war in Iraq, nothing about 1950. And of course you trust Mr. Bush, you have been brainwashed.

I believe this comment is hostile and out of line. Please respect others here.

I too still have faith in president Bush. You have to. He's our leader.

[forseti-6]

Originally posted by anleja
What a mess. My 18 month old daughter is growing up in a totally different world than I did.

As sad as it is, you're right. But frankly the 90s was a rather "fluke" decade. Sometimes I wonder if we were spoiled by the peace of the 90s or just damned by the constant violence we have come to know as the 20th and increasingly 21st century.

[bigoldalphamale]

Originally posted by slvrnblck
Man, u sure did waste time typing that up, I was talking specifically about todays war in Iraq, nothing about 1950. And of course you trust Mr. Bush, you have been brainwashed.

are you implying that the history of the middle east has absolutely no bearing on the current events taking place in iraq and the rest of middle east? that this 'war' in iraq is a free standing event with no connection to historical political and social developments that easily date back to the 1950's? of course you hate Bush...you're clueless.

[slvrnblck]

Originally posted by bigoldalphamale
are you implying that the history of the middle east has absolutely no bearing on the current events taking place in iraq and the rest of middle east? that this 'war' in iraq is a free standing event with no connection to historical political and social developments that easily date back to the 1950's? of course you hate Bush...you're clueless.

Your leader is just trying to finish what his dad could not. This war is Bush's way of trying to become a hero considering he has fucked up the country prior to it. And his excuse to go to this war were the WMD's which did not exist. Now that he has fucked this one up completely too, just like every other aspect of his job, he is going to start the blame on Syria and Iran. Bush has already gone to two wars without succeeding, and if he gets reelected he will go to two more. This man is no better than Bin Laden or Saddam, he is a power hungry killing machine also. Now you can call me a clueless bush hater along with over half the nation that hates him also, but it is better than being brainwashed. Follow your lying leader all you want, but, hopefully one day you will realize you are being misled.

[questone]

You will never understand how gruesome it is untill you see the actual video
http://www.davva.com/beheaded.wmv
You have been warned. Do not click on the link if you do not want to watch

[tricks]

Originally posted by SpikeQX99
[B

Turn the cameras off, quit reporting from the front, and let us fight the way they do... Dirty as all fucking get out. In and out in less than a month if we go balls out and launch every piece of artillery we've got... what about this "shock and awe" thing? It didn't awe them at all. It's like setting an ant hill on fire or knocking down a bees nest.

[/B]

Don't turn off the cameras. I agree. Fight the war the way it needs to be fought but people need to pull their heads out and realize what war means. It's not all clean and easy, the way Reagan made it seem in Grenada and Panama. Soldiers get killed. Civillians get killed. Children get killed. Innocent people become displaced.

If more people realized this a year ago we might not be in this mess. Now that we are, we need to finish what we started. This may not turn into another Viet Nam but it could be America's Afganistan like Afganistan was for the Soviets in the '80s.

[Mojo_PeiPei]

Originally posted by slvrnblck
Your leader is just trying to finish what his dad could not. This war is Bush's way of trying to become a hero considering he has fucked up the country prior to it. And his excuse to go to this war were the WMD's which did not exist. Now that he has fucked this one up completely too, just like every other aspect of his job, he is going to start the blame on Syria and Iran. Bush has already gone to two wars without succeeding, and if he gets reelected he will go to two more. This man is no better than Bin Laden or Saddam, he is a power hungry killing machine also. Now you can call me a clueless bush hater along with over half the nation that hates him also, but it is better than being brainwashed. Follow your lying leader all you want, but, hopefully one day you will realize you are being misled.

Slvrn your hatred of Bush is really making me question your grasp of reality... Lets just pick this apart piece by piece shall we?

In response to the Daddies' war argument:
Bush Sr. went in with a UN mandate, that mandate never called for regime change, nor did it call for widespread military action against the baathist regime. The whole point of Desert Storm I was to get Saddam out of Kuwait. Bush Sr. and Stormin' Norman' wanted to finish the job, however it was not part of the plan.

No WMD's?
There are no WMD's in Iraq? That's interesting because the whole pretense of the war was that Saddam still had not destroyed weapons he had earlier acknowledged having, that is a fact. Those weapons to this day are still unaccounted for. BTW since going into Iraq we may not have found a smoking gun link, but we have found precursors for WMD's and found proof that the WMD programs were still on going, that is a fact.

Bush's first two wars' haven't succeeded?
Well seems to me despite an ugly occupation which was to be expected, Bush has did an amazing job of removing one of histories most nitorious villians from power in a matter of days and with minimal casulities. And what about Afganistan is not successful? Bin Laden is incapacitated, last time I checked no terrorist attacks have taken place on American soil since 9-11. Islamofacist Taliban is out of power. All the road bumps that are coming along politically are to be expected seeing as to we are trying to bring western ideals of democracy and freedom to countries and cultures that haven't moved out of the 6th century.

Anything else that I haven't touched in mindless subjective garbage that hasn't been backed up by an ounce of truth from you.

[slvrnblck]

Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Slvrn your hatred of Bush is really making me question your grasp of reality... Lets just pick this apart piece by piece shall we?

In response to the Daddies' war argument:
Bush Sr. went in with a UN mandate, that mandate never called for regime change, nor did it call for widespread military action against the baathist regime. The whole point of Desert Storm I was to get Saddam out of Kuwait. Bush Sr. and Stormin' Norman' wanted to finish the job, however it was not part of the plan.

No WMD's?
There are no WMD's in Iraq? That's interesting because the whole pretense of the war was that Saddam still had not destroyed weapons he had earlier acknowledged having, that is a fact. Those weapons to this day are still unaccounted for. BTW since going into Iraq we may not have found a smoking gun link, but we have found precursors for WMD's and found proof that the WMD programs were still on going, that is a fact.

Bush's first two wars' haven't succeeded?
Well seems to me despite an ugly occupation which was to be expected, Bush has did an amazing job of removing one of histories most nitorious villians from power in a matter of days and with minimal casulities. And what about Afganistan is not successful? Bin Laden is incapacitated, last time I checked no terrorist attacks have taken place on American soil since 9-11. Islamofacist Taliban is out of power. All the road bumps that are coming along politically are to be expected seeing as to we are trying to bring western ideals of democracy and freedom to countries and cultures that haven't moved out of the 6th century.

Anything else that I haven't touched in mindless subjective garbage that hasn't been backed up by an ounce of truth from you.

Listen, the original intention of the war was to find WMD's, and the fact is we did not find them, dont give me all the bullshit, it all comes down to the facts, and the facts are Bush was wrong about Saddam having WMD's.

The two wars have suceeded? Really? Last time I checked Bin Laden was still free and im sure laughing at Bush's pathetic attempt to find him. Also, just because there has not been a attack on America since 9/11 does not mean shit, I assure you this will only fuel the hate that Al-Qaeda has for America as well as other terrorist orginizations, and future attacks are almost certain. America will NEVER win the war against terrorism, it is impossible, all they are doing is making attacks more likely to happen. And as for the Iraq war, all of the people that Bush has killed would have been probably been alive under Saddam, he has done nothing but make situations worse in Iraq.

What Bush needs to do is worry about his own country which has enough problems as is than to worry about others. Iraq was not a threat to the US pre-war, but now will be. They may have put Saddam out of power, but the thousands of Saddam followers are not going anywhere.

[Xsas]

There was a lot of talking in that video, what were they saying?

[Xsas]

After watching that video, I think there needs to be more bombs dropped.

[BDozer]

Originally posted by slvrnblck
Listen, the original intention of the war was to find WMD's, and the fact is we did not find them, dont give me all the bullshit, it all comes down to the facts, and the facts are Bush was wrong about Saddam having WMD's.

Saddam had WMD's. You seem like the type of person that won't believe Saddam had WMD's unless you see a news report from ABC with US and Coalition soldiers taking a picture in front of a huge ass missle with a bold 'WMD' written on the side. But the biggest PR the bush Cabinet gave out for a reason to attack Iraq was the WMD that was unaccounted for, and still haven't found.

The two wars have suceeded? Really? Last time I checked Bin Laden was still free and im sure laughing at Bush's pathetic attempt to find him. Also, just because there has not been a attack on America since 9/11 does not mean shit, I assure you this will only fuel the hate that Al-Quaida has for America as well as other terrorist orginizations, and future attacks are almost certain.

During the 90's, America has been victim of numerous terrorist attack from Al-Qaeda. Since 9/11, NO terrorist attack on US soil. Take from it what you will, but seems to me all this 'war mongering' is having some effect.

*snip*...And as for the Iraq war, all of the people that Bush has killed would have been probably been alive under Saddam, he has done nothing but make situations worse in Iraq.

That made absolutely no sense. Firstly, Bush never even took a step into Iraq, and never has he held up a weapon to fire at anyone. Secondly...yeah, Usay and Quday and thousands of other Iraqi military personnel favored by Saddam would still be alive. No brainer.

What Bush needs to do is worry about his own country which has enough problems as is than to worry about others. Iraq was not a threat to the US pre-war, but now will be. They may have put Saddam out of power, but the thousands of Saddam followers are not going anywhere.

Are you absolute certain they are Saddam followers and not members of the Al Qaeda organization? I think a distinction needs to be made here. It's not Iraq that we need worry. It was, is, and will continue to be for the forseeable future, Al Qaeda we need to worry about. Iraq (the country) was never a threat, and still isn't.

[BrotherOfIdoit]

^word

that video made me sick to my stomache.
i have a VERY close friend going over there in august, and im scared shitless for him. It makes me want to cry. how could you take a man's life like that? do you know the pain that man went through? and for whjat? to help rebuild their ungrateful country. Fuck iraq. these people are sick, they have absolutely NO reguard for life. I cant imagine what the women POW's have to go through if a man is forced to endure this pain. My tears go out to them.

[clavus]

Shouldn't this thread be moved to the Politics Forum?

[slvrnblck]

Originally posted by BDozer






That made absolutely no sense. Firstly, Bush never even took a step into Iraq, and never has he held up a weapon to fire at anyone. Secondly...yeah, Usay and Quday and thousands of other Iraqi military personnel favored by Saddam would still be alive. No brainer.

You are just being a smart ass now. Dont take it so literally, you know exactly what I mean. We all know Bush is to much of a coward to ever go to war himself. Didnt he beg his Daddy not to fight in Nam?

Originally posted by BDozer


Are you absolute certain they are Saddam followers and not members of the Al Qaeda organization? I think a distinction needs to be made here. It's not Iraq that we need worry. It was, is, and will continue to be for the forseeable future, Al Qaeda we need to worry about. Iraq (the country) was never a threat, and still isn't.

You seem to be contradicting yourself, Iraq was never a threat, yet we needed to attack them? And yes, I did mean the Saddam followers as well as al qaeda. America will end up regretting ever stepping foot into Iraq, and if Bush gets re-elected, you better be prepared for WWIII

[BDozer]

Originally posted by slvrnblck
You seem to be contradicting yourself, Iraq was never a threat, yet we needed to attack them? And yes, I did mean the Saddam followers as well as al qaeda. America will end up regretting ever stepping foot into Iraq, and if Bush gets re-elected, you better be prepared for WWIII

Never said we needed to invade Iraq.

And unless YOU intend to make sure America regrets its 'invasion' into Iraq, I suggest you stop with this childish innuendos of gloom and doom.

[slvrnblck]

Originally posted by BDozer
Never said we needed to invade Iraq.

And unless YOU intend to make sure America regrets its 'invasion' into Iraq, I suggest you stop with this childish innuendos of gloom and doom.

I dont care what you suggest, there is nothing childish about it. Im not even going to bother with this thread anymore, i dont want to say something I will regret, its not worth getting banned over. You have your opinion and I will have mine, leave it at that.

[ARTelevision]

Observing some of the statements above and in the air these days, what concerns me is how soft and weak-willed we seem to have become as a collective "free world."

All these mea culpas and collective self doubts make me wonder if we have what it takes to overcome an enemy sworn and dedicated to destroy us and our way of life.

[Rubyee]

Originally posted by ARTelevision
Observing some of the statements above and in the air these days, what concerns me is how soft and weak-willed we seem to have become as a collective "free world."

All these mea culpas and collective self doubts make me wonder if we have what it takes to overcome an enemy sworn and dedicated to destroy us and our way of life.

Amen. With the country as torn as it is, why chance it?

[noahfor]

That clip they show on TV is horrifying. How can a person stand in a room with another person and just take their life. Humans can be absolutely disgusting, vileness incarnate. Although, maybe I don't consider those people human. God damnit, that shit just fucking makes me so sick, and angry, and disappointed, and confused. How was he so calm? The people that did that weren't infact people. Everybody is so in the dark. I understand where all these people are coming from, but I can't understand how the fuck they are coming from there. We're playing games.

[onetime2]

Originally posted by ARTelevision
Observing some of the statements above and in the air these days, what concerns me is how soft and weak-willed we seem to have become as a collective "free world."

All these mea culpas and collective self doubts make me wonder if we have what it takes to overcome an enemy sworn and dedicated to destroy us and our way of life.

The reactions to this from many people are bothersome to me but I don't doubt our collective resolve should the situation become more critical.

There seems to be a tendency for many people to assume that American action in just about any case is wrong, misguided, or disrespectful to other societies, cultures, or ethnicities. Too many people first ask of Nick Berg "What the hell was he doing over there?" rather than denouncing the acts of the terrorists. Apparetnly the thinking is "Well they have no other recourse after all, we invaded them." The answer of course is BULLSHIT there are plenty of other avenues open to them that don't involve murdering people but god forbid we acknowledge the fact that some groups of people are just plain morally bankrupt.

In the case of the Iraqi prisoners, has a single person asked "What the hell did they do to be in prison?" Not that I've heard. It would be interesting to hear the stories of the "tortured" prisoners just as we are hearing the stories of the murdered Americans and "brutal" prison guards. I'm sure at least some of them are guilty of some pretty heinous acts that go beyond stacking naked people up and taking pictures.

And before I get jumped on for "defending" the actions of the prison guards, I'm not. I think it's disgusting. But I'm also getting sick of hearing how wrong the US is and how the terrorists are excused because "they're terrorists and they don't hide what they are" or some other line of crap.

At some point the attrocities exacted against innocents by terrorists will overcome most people's acceptance of their evil acts and we will have a more united front. Unfortunately it will probably take another 9/11 or two before people realize that understanding will get us nowhere.

[Averett]

This whole thing makes me sick. I'm to the point where I don't want to watch the news, or read anything on the internet. I'm sure as hell not going to watch that video. I think it's disgusting that it's even available to watch, and that people will watch it.

We need to get every single one of our troops out of Iraq and Afganistan and any other country that we are in NOW.

I'm just tired of this all. Bone weary tired.

[BuDDaH]

Originally posted by slvrnblck
.... i dont want to say something I will regret, its not worth getting banned over.

BuDDaH walks by you and taps you on the shoulder and then whispers in your ear, "Too late....."

[onetime2]

Originally posted by Averett
We need to get every single one of our troops out of Iraq and Afganistan and any other country that we are in NOW.

What do you believe that will achieve? Do you think that will stop terrorism against us?

[Averett]

Originally posted by onetime2
What do you believe that will achieve? Do you think that will stop terrorism against us?

I started typing a lot of shit but it isn't needed in this thread.

Take Switzerland or Canada. Canada is an enormous county. When was their last terrorist attack? Never? And Switzerland was right there in the smack of things for WWI and WWII and did they get bothered? Nope. Cause they're neutral.

I can't even get my thoughts straight. So many people in so many countries hate us. Because they constatnly have American this and American that shoved down their throats. I'm not giving anyone an excuse.

And yes, I think that if we pulled our troops it would stop terroism.

Put our troops in airports. Use them for security check points and all that shit. Have them checking the cargo getting loaded onto planes. Have them checking transport trucks. Have the troops at the borders.

But I guess we put our noses in where it didn't belong too long ago, and it's too late to get out now.


Okay, I guess none of this is really useful in this thread. Sorry guys. I'm just angry at this all.

[qtpye4u84]

Hmmmmmm.....Never thought about it that way before.
Americans are not as mean.
Americans respect the dead bodys and what not.
WE have more class but I guess we do have are faults, sometime's that lowers us a little.

[shakran]

Originally posted by forseti-6
A few *bad soldiers* tortured these Iraqis. It's not a trend, and I sure hope they are punished for their acts.

And those bad soldiers had commanding officers, who had commanding officers, all the way up the chain to Rumsfeld and Bush. Something this heinous should have been first stopped by the immediate commanding officers, and the info should have shot up the chain right to the top. It didn't. So it's not just a few "bad soldiers" it's also the C-O's who either ignored it or covered it up.

And there's a mistake being made about the anger toward the beheading. We have to remember the culture we're dealing with here. This is a culture that cuts off your hand if you're caught stealing. It's a culture where it is not unheard of for people to be punished for the crimes of their relatives.

And now they watch Americans torturing their own people. What reaction did you expect? They're gonna be pissed off - doubly so because we marched in there shouting to the world how wonderful we are and how morally sound we are and how nice, respectful, and mindful of human rights we were. And then our people do something like this? Exactly what do you THINK Iraqis are going to feel about that?

[noahfor]

This whole thing makes me sick. I'm to the point where I don't want to watch the news, or read anything on the internet. I'm sure as hell not going to watch that video. I think it's disgusting that it's even available to watch, and that people will watch it.

I agree with you. I didn't actually watch any video, just what they show on the news of him kneeling in front of those people before it happened. I can't stand those little messages they have on the IE, Netscape, Compuserve, Aol sites every day about atrocities being committed everywhere. The relentless barrage of "news" stories is wearing me down, and I don't mean global stories. I mean "3 kids found dead under bed". What are they trying to do to us by showing us this stuff everywhere.

This story though, maybe just seeing it, hurts me so deeply.

Americans are schmucks for building military bases on muslim holy land, and kicking the palestinians out of palestine. Muslims are shmucks for giving a shit about the holy land. That's my narrow ignorant view of the situation.

It's time to quit this shit. There is no God, there is no after life, so fucking stop worrying about that fantasy crap, work on being a good person, enjoying life, and that will be that.

[Averett]

You know what I find most fucked up about this? That we keep sayin "yeah that's horrible BUT...." There should be no BUT. Everything about this is fucked up. The beheading, the prisioner abuse, those killed contractors who were dragged through the streets, the children being killed, the children who have machine guns....

We shouldn't be saying This is bad but what about what we did? Because where does it all end? Theres cause and effect here.

Nobody should try to justify any of this. It's all just so fucked up.

[cartmen34]

Originally posted by shakran
I see. So because a few evil men flew planes into buildings, ALL Arabs are evil.

ok... apparently I need to spell things out. I did not say that all Arabs are evil. When I indicated "people", I meant the radical fundamentalists, or the terrorist organization and it's followers, not muslims, or middle eastern people, or arabs.