No f**king way...
 

Subject is a pun.


Personally, as this is self selected censorship, I have absolutely no problem with it.

Thoughts?

It doesn't bother me any, although the filtering should be able to be stopped if the owner wishes to stop it.

Does it surprise anyone that the software comes from a SLC-based company?

If I want to see the sex and violence, that's my business.
If others don't - that's their business.
Carry on.

Oh - and clever title :)

Like you said Mr. Mephisto, since this is self-imposed censorship, I don't think it's a big deal.
I wouldn't buy one, but I don't think they're trying to target the nudity, violence and profanity-loving demographic.

my thoughts excatly.

people should use this if they feel the need... but i do see film companies point... id file a lawsuit.

its fine if people want to censor what they view.... but they start censoring my shit and they will have hell to pay.

*edit* if you dont want to see sex and violence dont watch rated R movies!

self edited out of new information. :)


can anyone name a movie that would be as good as the original if it was censored like that? i can't.

How about ones with gratuitous sex and violence?

I think that's the whole point.

I don't see any reason to make a bid deal about this. It's a hell of a lot better than actually censoring the original content.


Mr Mephisto

at least it's not REISSUING the content like they were doing in Utah.

that is copyright infringment, but this allows for people to, do as they please for themselves.

They are not altering the movie in any way. If you play it in a normal DVD player it will not exclude anything. It's just the MPAA trying to jump on the opportunity to make a buck.

Hollywood has been castrated enough lately, this is a way for them to make what they want and avoid some consumer complaints.

What are you referring to in Utah?

http://www.cleanflicks.com/
here's where they run afoul with the MPAA
We only edit movies on our list.
an interesting dissection of the CleanFlicks vs. Hollywood

http://research.yale.edu/lawmeme/mod...rticle&sid=360

Hey, I see no problem there. Not that I'd buy it. Ever.

Wait. Was that by any chance posted on April 1?


Because that's fucking retarded, if you don't mind me saying.

why?

If you want to ALLOW yourself to see porn and gratuitous violence then why should someone else allow themselves to NOT see that stuff?

your intolerance is equal to theirs if you can't at least admit that they have the right to do what they need to ensure that they don't expose themselves to such things.

Re: No f**king way...
 

couple years ago, car manufacturer say they will eliminate the lighters in cars in support of whatever bullshit they can think of (just an excuse to cut features out), well that one folded quick

this dvd thing, I don't know man, I can the swearing should be cut out, I don't enjoy hearing it even when my wife says "i want to suck your fucking cock" (okay I actually like that one)

my point is, sex is a component in life that shouldn't be censored, but the swearing, educated people can express themselves without swearing too much...so I want my kids to know that

*takes off all his clothes and grabs his crotch*


I gotcha sex and violence right here!

As long as it doesnt effect my film watching in any way im fine with it. Hopefully they dont sell too well, else it might be percieved that people want these blander, less interesting films (versions of films) and future films will be made blander to suit.

These things will only destroy a good film though, i doubt they will be used to censor dawn of the dead type horror films or anything of the sort, as they would become unwatchable, but to more take out the one or two graphic scenes in a otherwise "safe" film. Trouble is more graphic scenes in films like this are usually put in for a good reason, to illustrate a point, a highlight of the film etc. People with this device will really be missing out. ah well, its thier loss.

awesome

I can see why cleanflicks is being sued. They should be. The MPAA should sue them for every penny that they made.

The self censoring DVD player is totally different since it leaves the original copy completely intact.

name one that would still be good.

Watching this would be a damn sight better than some of the crap Hollywood is feeding us!



Hey, no disrespect intended, King.

I tend not to watch movies with gratuitous sex and violence, so I can't.

But, as has been said already, if you CHOOSE not to watch edited movies, then that's fine. You can even say they would be no good. Conversely, concerned parents could also CHOOSE not to watch unedited versions. They may think your taste in movies is "no good".

Different strokes my friend, different strokes...


Mr Mephisto

A couple more thoughts on this now that I've had a few hours to think on it:

1. I do have a problem with this - it's basically censoring your movie according to someone else's standards. We all have our own idea of what's acceptable and what's not - but the words and/or actions are cut depending on someone else's interpretation of what's obscene or violent - not our own. But since I'll never buy one of these DVD players, it's really not a concern.

2. It could be a good thing in that if I ever found myself with nothing to do for 5 minutes, I could watch <i>Pulp Fiction</i> :)

As long as people have a choice, I have no beef with such self-censoring products... However, there is a dark side to any invention.

What may begin innocently enough can evolve into something truly dangerous to freedom of speech and expression.

&lt;Tin Foil Hat&gt;
It will happen like this: More and more self-censoring devices will enter the market. Eventually people will become so accustomed to them, that censor chips will be a given in any product.

The next step would be to introduce a more avanced version of the self-censoring DVD - one where you cannot control what is censored. It will censor things by itself, so that a truly caring parent will not have to worry about messing with complicated controls.

More and more of these automatically-censoring devices will enter consumers' hands - they will be more affordable, and have special online features not available in "dirty" devices. Soon it will be impossible to get a hold of one that lets you view media the way it was meant to be viewed - but of course by then the media itself will have adapted, and censored out everything that can be censored before it even reaches your DVD!
&lt;/Tin Foil Hat&gt;

Whew.

I've no problem with such crazy inventions.

I wouldn't buy one, nor would I sit through a movie that got the "good bits" skipped over automatically.

Really, though, what's next? Bleep out the cuss words, or cut them out of the movie as well?

Pulp Fiction might lose some of its appeal, that's for sure.

Eh, I made myself unclear. I believe they have the RIGHT to do anything they want regarding their movies. The self censoring DVD player is essentially a more sophisticated version of the Fast Forward button.

That doesn't change the fact that I think anyone who uses one is a complete tool. Nothing personal, but I believe that there are much better ways to raise your kids than showing them adult movies with all the "naughty bits" taken out. Like reading to them. Oh, and if you're doing it because YOU don't want to see it... just rent a different movie, eh? Why would you get something you don't want to watch?

That is all.

a teaspoon of sugar makes the medicine go down, eh ?:)

This is great.

Nobody is going to buy this. Hopefully Walmart has a ton of money locked into this venture.

Actually one occurred to me whilst I was washing up (don't ask...).

How about Caligula?

A movie with lots of great actors and what was apparently a good script, that the director added porn to after most of the shooting was complete.

Mr Mephisto

did you see how many stores CleanFlicks has? If they only sell to 1% of America, it still will make money.

We have a bad word filter on my little sisters' tv. It's not that bad, it does stop them from hear about 90% of the language. I wouldn't even bother watching a movie like requim for a dream though, Probably every war movie would be ruined too. As long as its not forced, I'm fine with it.

I wonder if it will remove any profanity? My mother scorns watching ANYTHING that has one word of profanity and misses out on a lot of good movies. There are a few I think she would enjoy watching but because she's so extremely sensitive she refuses. This might open up that door for her. Cool stuff.

Isn't anyone else concerned that Walmart is trying to be everyone's moral concience?

no surprise

walmart does lots of market research and then asks manufacturers to make products based on that research.

In a family setting, I think they are just attempting to provide consumers with products that will aide in the blocking of profanity and nudity that younger children shouldn't have to view yet until they are older or at the discretion of their parents.

I can view both sides of the fence. I get sick and tired of watching movies/TV ads/TV shows that always revolve around sexual situations and where every other word is a swear word. If I want sex, I'll rent a porn movie! If I want swearing, I'll go hang out at the docks with some sailors.

I don't agree with censorship but I do agree with the providing of the equipment to block it out if necessary when there are small children involved.

There's a reason that Wal-Mart was born out what they call America's Heartland.

It's because the Brain isn't there.

It never ceases to amaze me how these "religious right" sheep are willing to hand over control of their constitutionally guaranteed freedoms just to be over the inconvenience of a few dirty words or pictures.

i have wanted to see that movie since i was a kid and i learned that it was full of sex, LOL. i suppose that you could still cut alot out of it and still get the point across that Ceasar had some sexual issues. but as a filmmaker now , you might have to plan ahead on individual censorship, and elude to physical acts with verbal dialogue, so people could still understand what was happening without the sex scenes. seems like it would take some of the fun out of filmmaking.

Like I said in Hal's thread, technology is giving us options to see what we don't want our kids to see, and gives the "right" less ammo to take away the freedoms of adults.

I want to vomit uncontrollably for an hour.

I want to cry for humanity.

No rant is long enough, mean enough, or could fully support or come close to representing my feelings of disgust, DISAPPOINTMENT, and nausea over this developement.

This is simply filthy.

I have to yell.

AMERICA: Raise your kids properly and we won't have these problems.

One more step to self censoring electronics, one more step to viewing television and movies as I'd like to.

I don't think this could carry over to television. My idea of self censoring is cutting out what is offensive to certain people. Therefore, the censored version is going to be shorter than the original version. Commercial breaks and schedules would get all fucked up unless they just had something like a black screen during visually offensive scenes and overdubs over language.

The only drawback I see here is if it becomes maditory for products to include this software. The TV has the V-chip which is included in all new TVs. Whether or not you want it you have to pay for it. That is fucked.

Personally, I'd want to toss a porno DVD in it and see what happens...it might just self destruct.

This is a great way to test the technology to see if it works... and damn funny too :)

yeah ok. this censorship thing has just hit a whole new level. people just need to get over this kind of shit and let people watch what they wanna watch.

followup article from Forbes.com

Well, I for one think that we should just prepare to give up and bow down before our Wal-Mart overseerers.

It's just an evil, woman hating, slave driving, cult I tell you.

Now, back to the movie.

I'm still very much against this and censorship of any kind....here's a thought, if you don't want to see sex/violence/whatever don't watch it!

Here's a very simple, if unrealistic, example of why I don't like it. Say I'm an artist and I produce this sentence: "Killing is not good" but there is a censorship device that edits out negative words, so now the sentence is changed to "Killing is good". That is not my message, and to play it as if is were is cheating me, my work is presented as a lie, and I don't care if they know it's being censored that's not what I created it for.

You may still be thinking, its self censorship, what they do doesn't hurt me so who cares? But where does it stop? Should we start playing and censoring schindler's list in school and TV? Suddenly we have a generation of kids growing up that doesn't think nazi's are a big deal (not that this example is perfect, but I'm sure it can be applied to other examples you can think of, even if they arn't as big a deal) creating the possibility that it could happen again, or more of a possibility. Are books next? DL something on your computer to automatically edit online books? May not be a big deal now, but what happeens if books switch nearly completely to digital?

I suggest reading Fahrenheit 451, especially his essay at the end about censorship (may only be in certain prints, not sure).

intersting, when I'd meet them I'd know they were Epsilon Semi-Morons because they would have never seen it in a book or movie.