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So, just how far does a punishment get lowered when it comes to accidential situations? The victim is still the victim...

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I guess it's all about intent.

'First degree murder' and 'involuntary manslaughter' victims are all dead - but the sentences are miles apart.

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At least he didnt go all the way through with it, otherwise, Id say hit him with the book.

bermuDa

major faux-pas, I'll bet the other woman is still waiting to be ravaged...

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shakran

If you wanna play rape (what the FUCK is wrong with these people?) you'd better make damn sure you get the right person. Otherwise, I say nail 'em as hard as if it wasn't a mistake.

filtherton

Honest mistake. Cops make them all the time, raiding and searching/destroying the wrong person's personal property. A simple apology should work.

water_boy1999

I am a firm believer of free speech, but situations like this make me question the "common sense element" in deciding how free should we really be. I don't feel that the internet should be an avenue for exploring Rape Fantasies, yet, I do feel that everyone should have the right to put whatever fetish or freaking fantasy they want on it. I lean both ways I suppose.

If that's the case, anyone who misstakenly attempts, or does commit rape on the wrong person CAN NOT use the "I thought it was consentual rape your honor" excuse. Consentual rape? WTF???? Give him the book.

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That's weird. You think you'd double check the address in something like that.

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maybe i just don't understand why in the hell any woman would have a fantasy, like that. that is so fucked up on more than one level. If you like submissive sex then have it. but i don't think that a rape fantasy is anywhere near normal ( i wouldn't even classify that as a freaky fetish ), it is just fucked up anbd the women who are into that shit need to have there fucking heads examined.
as for the guy, i am sorry but if that is how you like your sex, you have a major fucking screw loose too. and it is only a matter of time before you it won't matter if it's consentual or not).
I would sentance him to a mandatory psychiatric evaluation, and counseling. while he is in jail for two years or more.

WTF is the world coming to?

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PPFFt!
That has happened to me so many times I have lost count.

*remember* write the address on your hand.....

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Tub... nevermind. Given the venue you're posting to, I'm surprised you can say that. Fetish is fetish. No one was supposed to be involved who hadn't given consent, etc..

Yakk

He recklessly endangered, at the very least.

If you are going to play dangerous games like this, you want serious safeties. Mark the door. A "start the game" word when the game starts, and "safe word"s to stop the game.

If they wanted the meeting to be their first, then they should both get trusted intermediaries to confirm consent beforehand.

Basically, they where idiots. And idiots who endanger others should be criminally liable.

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VitaminH

One would think with something like that (I have NO IDEA why anyone would want to participate, but hey to each his/her own...) that he'd be incredibly anal about getting directions.

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moonstrucksoul

what's that suppose to mean? what are you saying about THIS board, fetish may be fetish, but fantasy rape, IMO is not a fetish, its some kind of mental illness.

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Living out a fantasy can be a fulfilling experience. However, the man should have planned this out better and made sure he had the right address to begin with or know some personal details about the female so that this mishap could have been avoided.

From my point of view: the woman who was almost accidentally raped is the victim here. He broke the law whether by accident or not and should still be punished for it. If it were me, I'd press charges against him.

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all i got to say is stupid bitch

panbert

Well, he is being charged for something.
But since he did not actually go ahead with the rape, and that he has been co-operative with law enforcement agents etc etc, it's understand that they are being a bit easy on him.
He has done something illegal so he'll definitely pay the consequences. But it'll be unfair to punish him for crimes he didn't commit.

denim

I would say that about B&D. Though I can kinda understand some of it intellectually, I still see it as the result of a sick society. What's your point? These two people put the boundary in a different place than you do. Others are into scat, which I definitely consider mentally screwed up.

The point is that they didn't ask me, nor did they ask you. And it was their fantasy, for whatever reason.

denim

Oh, no argument. No matter what he was trying to do, it's a matter of what he did that matters. Though the rest might mitigate some of it, especially if he didn't actually go through with it once it became clear he was in the wrong place.

InTeGrA77

Maybe once she started to "attack his testicles" he should have started to wonder, "Man, this chick is REALLY taking this seriously...!"

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"I don't understand why anyone would want to do that" is all well and good as an opinion, but be careful not to cross over into the territory of calling people sick, or saying they have a mental illness, screw loose, or are fucked in the head- because then you're on MY turf.

There is no reason to judge someone else's fantasies just because they're not something you'd enjoy, and it is unacceptable on these boards to put someone down because they enjoy a fetish you do not.

In this case, these people were stupid because there are precautions you take when you do things like this, which some have noted- but to label them as deranged, perverse, disgusting, etc., is not cool.

No more- you have been warned.

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moonstrucksoul

intellectualy, i understand lots of fetishes too, but those are things are not simulated acts of violation, fantasy rape is recreating a horrid crime that violates someones body.

my point is that these people are walking a thin line, and IMO it is only a matter of time before that guy gets out of hand. this society has enough sexual deviants and without encouraging it.

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Mephisto2

Then an awful lot of women suffer from mental illness.

There have been numerous studies that show "rape fantasies" are very common.

Fantasies are just that, fantasies. Just because you don't share them doesn't mean you are sane and they are mentally ill.

I can't understand scat fantasies, but hey... I'm not pompous enough to say it's a kind of mental illness.

Grow up.


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Averett

Who exactly is the stupid bitch in this picture?

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qtpye4u84

Well, He should of protected him self by using the front door asking her name then if it was the right person then do it.
LIke most ppl ask the women her age/ID before you have sex with her. Well, If they contact the person he was supposed to do that within that apartment complex then his case might be lighter.
Dumb on his part.

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you are free to believe what you wish, as so am i.
the truth is out there. my belief is that a better world can exist, if there weren't people that craved these types of acts, even consentually, then it would cease to exist, if it was of the unified mind of the entire global conciousness that rape is awful. it wouldn't happen to people whose sexual dreams are not to be bound, beaten, sodomized and sometimes killed to hide the crime.

i am done with thread. believe.

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shakran

well I personally don't understand why the hell anyone would want to get raped, even if it's not real. Maybe 'cause several of my friends have been raped, and maybe it's because I stopped a rape in progress on one of my friends, but I really don't see the turn on there.

However.

Just because some people want to do what, to us, is weird, or even "sick and wrong" does not mean that they are to blame for the actions of criminals.

After all, kids like to play cops and robbers, but no one blames them when a thug knocks over a convenience store.

And BTW, my "what the FUCK is wrong with these people" was directed more toward the idea that anyone would be so stupid as to endanger others by not setting up signals beforehand to verify that the woman is, in fact, the one who wants to be raped. I feel that anyone who sets up something like this and who does not have the common courtesy, much less decency, to make double-damn sure that the neighbor lady won't get raped by mistake DOES have a screw loose. I also feel that the guy perpetrated a crime, whether he meant to or not. If I cut someone's head off and then claim that I thought they were a mannequin, I am still going to be held responsible for their death. The same logic should apply in this case.

DownwardSpiral

Alright, if it's a mental illness, tell me, what illness do you think they have? You're saying that people who have a odd fetish that you do not agree with are all mentally ill? That's a very broad generalization about today's society. If that were the case there would be a lot more people out there in a psych ward.

Now, back to the topic at hand. Being a mistake and all I can see why the man being charged is willing to plea for a lesser sentence, and I see where he's coming from, being a mistake and all, but fact is he tried to rape a woman, and for that I think he should get the full sentence for his actions. Lowering it to a measly residential burglary charge is lowering it just a bit much, i my opinion.

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I'd throw him jail for the normal time given to an attempted rapist who didnt manage to commit the crime - 10 years or so would seem appropriate to me.

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Right on. Judgement about this persons fantasies should be put aside when thinking about this case. Intent has a lot to do with how we punish people in the judicial system in America. This guy is being punished not because hes a violent out of control criminal. He's being punished for his own stupidity. Crimes of stupidity *in general* are given more lenience in the system than malicious crimes. Thats how it should be. Intentional crimes are a purposeful disregard for the law they break. One who commits an intentional crime is more likely to do it again. I'll bet if this guy ever wants to go through with this fantasy again, he'll TRIPLE check the address Its pretty obvious he had the chance to actually go through with raping that woman, but once he realized what was happening, he stopped. He never intended to do anything that wasnt consentual with his partner, or anything that broke the law. Obviously he needs to be punished in some way or pay some sort of restitution to the unintended victim, but to give this man the same kind of treatment that would be given to a man who maliciously raped a woman against her will (or tried and failed) would be completely unjust.

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Demiurge

How could they have forgot to use the saftey word. lol

Xell101

This is ...huh funny, like ha-ha funny with the ha-ha but a concerned facial expression, wow. I wonder how he mistook the apartment, issues with the number or something like "the door with the funky decal" and he has an odd opinion on what constitutes funky.

zxello

maybe he'll check the address of the house first >_<

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89transam

I think one year is too much. Hes going to jail basically a good guy that made an honest mistake and he is going to come out bitter and mad at the world. We as taxpayers will have to pony up the 30 K for his prison time and the chick who got scared will be no better off. I say lets make the dude buy the woman a nice minivan and have both of them get some counseling.

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lol good point...

Eowyn_Vala

hmmm whatever people like is their own buisness

as to a punishment, wouldn't Breaking and Entering and maybe Assault if the woman wanted to press charges be enough? he didn't rape her, and he learned his lesson on checking the address too

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denim

Something occurred to me today: what if the person he was supposed to "rape" gave him the wrong address intentionally? Or wasn't even female?

Holo

Rape fantasies give many repressed women an "out" for the guilt of being seuxal beings. If they give themselves the illusion of being out of control they can enjoy what is going on. Other women like the excitement and danger of rough/ forced sex. Every person is wired a bit differently. Some ppl have pain/pleasure receptors that overlap and they experience pleasure with the pain of getting whipped/pinched/etc. I think the mental illness is saying these ppl aren't allowed to express themselves in a way that pleases them.


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analog

This is the same old lame card played on the "violence in the media makes violent kids" game, where it makes no sense- and makes even less sense here.

These are not children- overwhelmingly, these are educated, rational, and always consenting adults who engage in these fetish activities.

Secondly, this was an ACCIDENT because of the stupidity of the person doing the act- not a crime resulting from the existence of the fetish in any way, shape, or form.

We don't blame road accidents because there are too many driving enthusiasts, do we?

Didn't think so.