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Old 03-31-2004, 06:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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EL CAJON, California (AP) -- An elderly man recently diagnosed with a brain tumor leaped to his death from a vintage airplane he rented to celebrate his 88th birthday, officials said Tuesday.

Joseph Harold Frost took off his safety belt at 300 to 400 feet, stood up in the open cockpit of the two-seat biplane and went over the side Monday.

The pilot tried but failed to wrestle him back into the plane and nose the aircraft upward to force Frost back into his seat.

"I think that was Dad's idea, to go out in a flash of glory," said Robert Frost, who had helped his father arrange the chartered flight on a biplane similar to the ones the elder Frost flew in World War II.

The man landed on an apartment patio, horrifying those who witnessed it.

"I saw him hit the power lines, heard trees breaking. I really thought it wasn't real," Cynthia Lankford said.
The saddest part of this, IMO, is that he didn't have the option of opting out peacefully. Can't allow an old guy with a brain tumor to check out easily in this country, no. God-forbid, some people say.

So this guy had to do it in a more messy manner.
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Old 03-31-2004, 06:49 AM   #2 (permalink)
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What a way to go though. Pilots, especially fighter pilots, are very very pround of their flying. I can imagine that this is exactly how he wanted it.

Flying around in a vintage plane, watching the sky, then just... jumping.
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Old 03-31-2004, 07:01 AM   #3 (permalink)
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He died in a selfish way. While he may have gotten what he wanted, the people whose patio he landed in will be horrified for a lifetime. If he wanted to kill himself bad enough, he should have just overdosed on pills.
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Old 03-31-2004, 07:07 AM   #4 (permalink)
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He died in a selfish way. While he may have gotten what he wanted, the people whose patio he landed in will be horrified for a lifetime. If he wanted to kill himself bad enough, he should have just overdosed on pills.
...or at least jumped over an uninhabited area.
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Old 03-31-2004, 07:07 AM   #5 (permalink)
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He died in a selfish way. While he may have gotten what he wanted, the people whose patio he landed in will be horrified for a lifetime. If he wanted to kill himself bad enough, he should have just overdosed on pills.
That's the problem. He's not allowed to do it peacefully, and you can survive pills if someone finds you. SOMEONE is going to discover the body. Would you rather it be a family member, or some strangers you don't care about?
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Old 03-31-2004, 07:09 AM   #6 (permalink)
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He died in a selfish way. While he may have gotten what he wanted, the people whose patio he landed in will be horrified for a lifetime. If he wanted to kill himself bad enough, he should have just overdosed on pills.
Perhaps...yes, I should imagine that they will...my guess is that he other ideas about how he wanted to go.

This seriously illustrates the need to reevaluate our euthanasia laws.
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Old 03-31-2004, 07:11 AM   #7 (permalink)
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This seriously illustrates the need to reevaluate our euthanasia laws.
I think that's the main point, yes.

I mean, if it were a planned thing, he could have aimed for a big bullseye on the ground, or an open coffin, or whatever, and the pilot and his family could have been prepared.

I expect this kind of reform will be happening, fairly soon, as the baby boomers finally figure out what's in store for them.
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Old 03-31-2004, 07:32 AM   #8 (permalink)
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<b>"I think that was Dad's idea, to go out in a flash of glory," said Robert Frost</b>

sounds like his dad took The Road Not Taken

one way ticket to hell please
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Old 03-31-2004, 07:40 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Old 03-31-2004, 08:17 AM   #10 (permalink)
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death to us all, we have an expiration date, i think i'll go out jumping out of a plane and into the ocean from...say 2200 feet....couldn't handle the pain of concrete and no bystanders...unless i hit a boat...hmmm....
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Old 03-31-2004, 08:26 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Well, it's better than dying on a bed. How would you like it if you were 90 years old and you knew you were dying of a tumor and just lying in a bed waiting for death to come and take you away?

Probably not a good feeling, might as well go to death instead of waiting for it to come to you...
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Old 03-31-2004, 08:50 AM   #12 (permalink)
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That's the way I want to go out if I have some terminal illness that is expected to debilitate/kill me in a matter of months.

Seriously I have designs of diving out of a plane one day to do that. It seems like such fun the whole way through. Conscious and happy the whole way to the sudden end. Unfortunate the location he splattered, but that's what happens when you treat people who want to go out peacefully like criminals.

I could see a pretty lucrative business for a private pilot letting people do a half gainer off his cessna over a designated area.
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Old 03-31-2004, 09:11 AM   #13 (permalink)
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death to us all, we have an expiration date, i think i'll go out jumping out of a plane and into the ocean from...say 2200 feet....couldn't handle the pain of concrete and no bystanders...unless i hit a boat...hmmm....
Well.... Jumping out of a plane over the ocean at 2200 feet and landing on the water is going to feel like you're hitting concrete... Just so you know!

I heard about this on the radio this morning. Poor man.
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Old 03-31-2004, 09:32 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I admire his bravado in going out the way he did, but I don't admire the fact that others had to be exposed to the aftermath. I know I would be deeply scarred if I was sipping my coffee, kicking my feet up on the patio chair, and someone decided to drop in unexpectedly.
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Old 03-31-2004, 09:38 AM   #15 (permalink)
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OK, for the sake of argument, let's say that we legalize euthanasia. Do we allow people to "exit" any way that they like? Like Superbelt's venture of charging people to swan dive off of a small plane onto a cordoned off area? Or, do we mandate that they must receive a lethal overdose injection? What? How? Where are the boundaries? This opens up a whole new debte. Just for the record, I am pro euthanasia. These are just questions that I hadn't thought of before.
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Old 03-31-2004, 09:43 AM   #16 (permalink)
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hell- if someone came slamming down onto my patio, I would at least have something to talk about at parties- hell, I 'd respect him- that had class, and took some guts- everyone complaines about scars and mental anguish- I feel that half the time you just need to buck up and get on with your life- now were it me, I would want to put aside some money for clean up, just out of courtesy.
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Old 03-31-2004, 10:10 AM   #17 (permalink)
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He died in a selfish way. While he may have gotten what he wanted, the people whose patio he landed in will be horrified for a lifetime. If he wanted to kill himself bad enough, he should have just overdosed on pills.
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...or at least jumped over an uninhabited area.
exactly, i have no problem with people who are terminally ill and want to go out with style, but it should not intrude into other peoples lives.

and if his son knew about his plan, and rented him the plane, then he should be responsible for the damage done to the family whose patio the guy fell on.
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Old 03-31-2004, 10:24 AM   #18 (permalink)
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and if his son knew about his plan, and rented him the plane, then he should be responsible for the damage done to the family whose patio the guy fell on.
The son bought the flight for a birthday present, according to the article. If he knew, I agree that he should compensate the people whose property he landed on.
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Old 03-31-2004, 10:47 AM   #19 (permalink)
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OK, for the sake of argument, let's say that we legalize euthanasia. Do we allow people to "exit" any way that they like? Like Superbelt's venture of charging people to swan dive off of a small plane onto a cordoned off area? Or, do we mandate that they must receive a lethal overdose injection? What? How? Where are the boundaries? This opens up a whole new debte. Just for the record, I am pro euthanasia. These are just questions that I hadn't thought of before.
It's their choice not ours. I don't understand why we have to control how other people want to end their lives.
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Old 03-31-2004, 01:39 PM   #20 (permalink)
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death to us all, we have an expiration date, i think i'll go out jumping out of a plane and into the ocean from...say 2200 feet....couldn't handle the pain of concrete and no bystanders...unless i hit a boat...hmmm....
At that speed water and concrete might as well be the same. Not that it matters; by the time any pain impulses are transmitted, I'm pretty sure your brain would be a pile of mush.
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Old 03-31-2004, 02:12 PM   #21 (permalink)
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People have to clean that stuff up, too. Still kind of cool.
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Old 03-31-2004, 02:19 PM   #22 (permalink)
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<b>"I think that was Dad's idea, to go out in a flash of glory," said Robert Frost</b>

sounds like his dad took The Road Not Taken

one way ticket to hell please

Damn, I was hoping no one else caught the Robert Frost thing so that I could do that.
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Old 03-31-2004, 02:44 PM   #23 (permalink)
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If I should ever find i'm the good side of a very long and painful road to death, there'll be a pile of clothes left on a beach and a tisonlyi-shaped figure splashing out into sunset on some gorgeous beach.

There's nothing manly, glorious or admirable about suffering, soiling one's self or babbling like a loonatic in a long forgotten corner somewhere.

Yes, A close relative of mine did go that way. It was incredibly painful to watch for all concerned.
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Old 03-31-2004, 03:21 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I think drowning would not be an enjoyable way to go, what with your lungs burning with pain and then filling with water and coughing does no good as you sink below the waves.

I would do something similar to this old man, jump off a tall building or out of a plane and throw away my chute. I don't want to live for 5 years babbling incoherently like my grandfather is.
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Old 03-31-2004, 03:49 PM   #25 (permalink)
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The son bought the flight for a birthday present, according to the article. If he knew, I agree that he should compensate the people whose property he landed on.
No way to be sure but I think the son's sentiment of a "flash of glory" was made after the fact
What a wierd thing to say, too....
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Old 03-31-2004, 06:27 PM   #26 (permalink)
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If you want to opt out with style, join the CIA as a kamikaze operative.
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Old 03-31-2004, 06:41 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I'm glad he went out the way he did. Seems like he suffered less and felt no pain at the end.
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Old 03-31-2004, 09:31 PM   #28 (permalink)
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If you want to opt out with style, join the CIA as a kamikaze operative.
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legions of CIA suicide bomber geezers begin assault on terrorist organizations.... oh the irony!
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Old 03-31-2004, 11:23 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Old 03-31-2004, 11:39 PM   #30 (permalink)
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heh, this reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where the mental patience escapes from the hospital and lands on George's car, parked in the great spot

I wonder if it's instant death? or maybe a few seconds of excruciating pain, or unconsciousness. I don't think you'd want to be concious for too long after....
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Old 04-01-2004, 08:32 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Old 04-01-2004, 09:20 PM   #32 (permalink)
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actually, they have shown that most people die of heart attack on the way down....

and yeah, i've thought that i'd like to go that way if i were diagnosed with something i couldnt' kick. Believe me, though, I'd wait until i was absolutely certain i couldn't kick it....

Still, i wouldn't do it over the ocean. I have heard that the impact is actually greater bc you have 2 moving objects instead of one. water doesn't exactly give way very fast when you're moving at those speeds..
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Old 04-03-2004, 08:35 AM   #33 (permalink)
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If someone was in the apartment as it happened they must of struck there heads on the ceiling from the jump hearing that slam on the patio that must of gave.
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Old 04-03-2004, 03:53 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Old 04-05-2004, 03:50 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Old 04-06-2004, 06:50 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Old 04-06-2004, 08:54 AM   #37 (permalink)
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This man is my new hero. He truly took the reins of his life and ended it in a wonderful, exhilarating way. His timing coulda been better tho.
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It is a good thing he did not kill anyone on the patio.
No kidding, what a selfish prick. If you're going to kill yourself, you better make damn sure you only kill yourself.
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Old 04-13-2004, 02:12 AM   #39 (permalink)
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To the people that think this was selfish - I agree. I would seriously be pissed if I were enjoying a nice summer day with my bonnet and lemonaid when some stupid old fuck comes falling out of the sky to destroy himself and my patio just because he was tired of life and didn't want to die civily. Fuck that shit.

To the people that think it was an excellent way to die - Meh, granted the bed of your house or hospital would be and is a colorless way to pass, it is definetly the safest heh. Not many people can be injured in your passing in a bed, unless you fall on them and they sprain an ankle.

How morbid. Hah.
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Old 04-13-2004, 03:48 AM   #40 (permalink)
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