CSflim

I was down the pub last night, and I inhaled. I found, joy of all joys, that I could actually breathe! The wonders never cease....





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GT3_GOD

Roll on this being enforced in England - being able to have a pint without coming home and smelling like an ashtray

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wubbawubba

It needs to be the decision of the owners though instead of having some generic statewide ban though.

ReggErving

I enjoyed a trip to San Fran last year when I found out that the bars were smoke free. I understand that it is a person choice to smoke or not but to come out of a bar and not reek like a chimney was great.

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"A dublin restaurant has found a way to give the smoking ban the chop. Taylors Three Rock and Farmhouse Bar in Rathfarnham has removed one of the pub windows and replaced it with a smoker's guillotine modelled on the French guillotine.
There is a circular hole in the window where the smoker can put his or head through the window. The smoker's head is outside the building while his body remains inside, thus technically complying with the new ban.
Having his cake and eating it yesterday was Haro Mulligan above, from Kellystown"

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filtherton

That guy looks like he could certainly use some more beer and cigarettes. Good for him!

bookerV

The bars here in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada have been smoke free for a couple of years now. Its GREAT! I even have friends who smoke that like this better. The air in the bar is fresh and clean. You feel better after a night at the bar and while you are in the bars. I love it and would not want it any other way.

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CSflim

Yeah, I was surprised by the number of my smoker friends who are actually delighted about the ban. They feel that it will get them to cut down, maybe even quit.
A lot of them find that they smoke most often when they are in the pub...esp. when they are around others smoking.

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moonstrucksoul

yeah, we saw this on the news, I found it humorous that it started in Ireland, a place that you would think that smoking goes hand in hand with drinking. anybody got any insight as to why this went into effect. I think it is a great thing, but maybe i am just shocked that it was in Ireland.

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World's King

Yeah I didn't think that it wouls ever happen in Denver until is happened in Ireland.

We will be fucked soon.

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absorbentishe

Toledo has been smoke free for about a year now, and it's great. It's not so bad to come home only smelling of booze.

hu-man

I once went to a party held by a Public Health university class, and only 2 or so people out of 100 smoked. It was the best feeling ever! Being able to go out of there and go home and actually don't reak of smoke, and to wake up and feel way better because your hair doesn't stink and neither does your clothes, that really made me want to ban smoking in bars and clubs.
I'm all for the ban, if it isn't nation-wide and strictly enforced, nobody would start doing it.
Can't wait till my next trip to Ireland!

Spartak

You got that right.

In NZ they passed some legislation that will make all bars smoke-free within a couple of years.

Not fast enough I say.

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Mephisto2

Because Ireland is not the backward, old fashioned, completely unhealthly place that cliches would have you believe.

The public overwhelmingly support this. So do I and I'm a smoker. It will be interesting when I get home (on my next trip in a couple of months) to go down the pub and not light up inside.

Why are you "shocked"? The Irish can't have a progressive Minister for Health?



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homerhop

Its not just in bars. All work places and public buildings are now a smoke free zone, except if you work in a prison or mental institution.

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CSflim

Nicely said!

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kulrblind

Why? Is there no state-assisted health care? Do the bar owners put up the money for the endangerment of patrons' health? I doubt it.

In countries where health care costs are "everybody's business", it makes sense, as Mr Mephisto said, to have a progressive attitude when it comes to lowering the risk of severe health problems, be they from smoker, or second-hand smoke.

Good for Ireland. If Canada would just continue along this road, I'd be even happier.

Regziever

Can't wait untill that law is passed in Sweden aswell. I don't want to smell like a ashtray when I get home.

I'm happy for you CSflim!

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moonstrucksoul

mainly because the people I have met from Ireland, vacationers and nationals, act like sitting around in a pub, having a stout Guiness and smoking is all they do. BTW i never said they were backward, and unhealthy, but they do have tradition. And most Irish i know are all about drinking and smoking.

It's ok to think that a country is backward, old-fashioned, and unhealthy, I think America is and I live here. and this is no criticism on the Irish, either. I'm Scotch/Irish and still proud.

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Cynthetiq

I love it here in NYC.. of course the people are now all outside so walking by the bars means getting smokefulls in your face even when you choose to not go inside the bar, that's the only drawback.

when we were in EU territory it was all smoking. We got spoiled here in NYC.

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Mephisto2

[QUOTE]Originally posted by moonstrucksoul
mainly because the people I have met from Ireland, vacationers and nationals, act like sitting around in a pub, having a stout Guiness and smoking is all they do. ]/quote]

Well, a lot of us do! But that doesn't mean our government can't act to protect those who choose NOT to smoke...




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moonstrucksoul

ok i see your point, the truth is i actually know very little about the government in Ireland, and i made a broadbased assumption that a government does (for the most part) what the people want. my bad.

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Yakk

It is happening in Canada municipality by municipality.

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CinnamonGirl

Wow...my first reaction was "what the hell?!" I can see no-smoking restaurants and such, but a pub?

On the other hand, if that happened here, I wouldn't smoke NEARLY as much...I tend to smoke a LOT more when I'm drinking. Having to go outside would make me majorly cut down. hmmmm....

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Redlemon

The current Time magazine has this fascinating item:

TIME.com: Why Bars Are So Smoky -- Apr. 05, 2004
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skysooner

It is pretty much banned all over the state I live in.

amonkie

I was surprised to see so many smokers supporting the ban. We have a ban in the bars around ASU, and several of the bars/pubs in the downtown area are allegedly going out of business because the smokers are going elsewhere for their drinks in response to the ban. Me thinks there may be more under the surface, after seeing what has been said.

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Mephisto2

Around 70% of smokers support this. A higher percentage of non-smokers.

If memory serves me correctly, didn't the majority of smokers in California also support the ban?

I'm a smoker and I think it's a GREAT idea...


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CSflim

Also want to point out, that this ban is not specifically about pubs, it is about all "places of work". If you are indoors, and people work there, you can't smoke.

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CSflim

I think that the reason that so many smokers are for the ban is because it will help them quit, or at least cut down.

Ask any smoker who has been smoking for a reasonably long period of time if they have ever tried to quit...the majority of them will tell you that they have.

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John Henry

I have to admit that when I first heard about this I honestly thought it was going to cause civil unrest. Not because of any preconceptions about the Irish (except that a lot of the Irish people I know smoke), but because I know what a bunch of crabby bastards smokers are when they haven't had a fag.

I seriously hope that if this law ever comes to the UK, which it looks like it might, it will be modified somewhat. Having mandatory no-smoking zones seems like a good idea to me, but having a blanket ban is a bit ott.

I'm not a smoker myself, but I would like my smoking friends to be able to have a fag now and then, mainly for the reasons cited above.

Why not have a limited number of smoking-licensed premises in each authority and make them pay extra tax for the smoking licence? But then I'm not an MP. Couldn't stomach all that booze...

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CSflim

Don't get me wrong....there are quite a few upset people! The majority are cool with it, but not everyone is!

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Mephisto2

Why is it OTT?

And it's just a ban on areas of work. If you want to smoke, do it outside, or in your home, or someplace where we don't have to endure it.

Same thing goes for wanking really... And you don't fight for your right to wank in public, do you?

They can. Just tell them to step outside.


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smooth

I think it's Over The Top.

The_wall

The only complaint I have with having to smoke outside is when its cold as fuck out. I just wish we had an indoor place for when its -10 out hehe.

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Mephisto2

I know what he meant. What I meant was "Why do you think it is over the top?"




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MSD

Now, people who are desparate for nicotine can have vodka with tobacco leaves swirled in it and pressed out. It's like drinking and smoking at the same time. I think they were doing this somewhere in NYC

CSflim

Well thats cool, because if someone decides to take tobacco this way, doesn't mean that I have to as well!

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Strange Famous

I'd like to see it in the UK, but I think it will never happen, they know it will hurt cigarette sales and the government makes so much money out of cigarette's in duty and the fact that smokers die younger and claim much less pension money and health care on average.

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Mephisto2

Same applies in Ireland Strange Famous. If you're addicted, you'll still buy them.

Also, the government spends VASTLY more on nicotene related health issue than it gets from duty on their sale. All governments, western ones at least, would prefer if you gave up smoking. Even if that meant less "income" for them on tax. They'd save big-time in the long run...


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