03-21-2004, 02:28 AM | #1 (permalink) | |
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Fight Censorship: Complain to the FCC
Alright, so we all dislike censorship. Howard Stern ATTEMPTED to point out a certain hypocrisy, but was foiled. So, I'm asking you - the free-thinking TFP citizen - to complain to the FCC to help prove a point
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03-21-2004, 02:35 AM | #2 (permalink) | ||
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Here is the link to the website that has the official transcript from the show... Oprah tosses the salad
Please help by letting your voice be heard. This is a ridiculous inconsistency in policy, regardless of "intention". These are not doctors, these are just 2 people talking about DIRTY things at 4pm in the afternoon. Also, a WAV FILE excerpt from the show... Here is what is necessary to make a complaint to the FCC, from their website... Quote:
For those who want to mail it in, here is the complete transcript of the conversation... Quote:
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03-21-2004, 06:57 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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Sorry but I'm not gonna "rat" on Oprah to help Howard. You're using the same law to get someone you (I assume) don't like in trouble and morally vindicate someone you do. It would behoove us to try to get the law changed altogether rather than find other more popular ppl to point the finger at and get in trouble.
I for one kinda like the idea of Oprah being dirty...in fact it's more interesting than Howard being dirty since I expect it from him. Oprah does something that actually makes her (semi) interesting and we're gonna rake her over the coals for it to save some shock jock? If you win, all that is accomplished is Oprah watches her mouth a tiny bit more, Howard is still fined, and the law is still in place. In a way this hurts the cause by disallowing an influential person like Oprah to use this language and therefore having content like this become more mainstream. Oprah can achieve legitimacy of things currently deemed indecent or obscene more so than Howard, who is just someone we laugh at.
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03-21-2004, 08:57 AM | #5 (permalink) |
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The two shows differ substantially. The transcript provided seems to point to a more informative show from Oprah while Stern's is always from a titillation standpoint.
IMO, context plays a critical role in any determination of "indecency". It's ironic how much Stern hates the FCC since it was their opposition to him which cemented his reputation as a "shock jock". It wouldn't surprise me in the least if his latest rantings against them are simply his way of boosting sagging ratings. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe he has recently lost his number 1 ranking in his home viewing area to a Spanish language station.
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03-21-2004, 09:26 AM | #6 (permalink) |
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Sure I'll file a complaint against that No-Good-Nick Oprah Winfrey. It's quite clear from the context of her show that she was presenting sexually explicit material in an effort to boost ratings.
At 4:00 in the afternoon a child or a teenager could tune in. This is clearly worse than Janet's breast. A child might have seen their mother's breast before. It is highly unlikely that a child would have been exposed to Oral Anal stimulation before seeing it on Oprah Winfrey. Please think of the Children |
03-21-2004, 10:14 AM | #7 (permalink) |
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there are also a few online petitions going around to stop the FCC, also voting against Bush in the election will stop this unessary censoring, its horrible, i cant believe this is happing, our sychotic, govt that is over reacting to a superbowl halftime boob shot. let the parents do their jobs and take care of their kids themselves. its a long shot, but its their responsibilty.
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03-21-2004, 10:46 AM | #8 (permalink) |
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I really hate to say this but I don't wanna help Howard Stern in any way. He should be off the air anyway. Not because he talks about sex or has naked girls in his studio but because he isn't funny. He's a retard looking for more fame.
Oprah can say and do whatever the fuck she wants.
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03-21-2004, 11:12 AM | #9 (permalink) | |
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So basically, whatever you personally don't like -should be forcibly removed from public consumption? |
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03-21-2004, 12:05 PM | #10 (permalink) |
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Howard always wants a reaction.
When I saw him making fun of retards on his show, that was the last straw for me. Howard stren has not a single redeemable charcteristic about him that makes him usefull or interesting to have on the air. The FCC can keep fining away until NBC pulls the plug for good and he becomes a piriah. Oprah is obnoxious in my opinion, but I can't deny that the transcript reads in such a way that seems to be attempting to educate the viewer in adolescent sexuality. Educate is a word that Sterns show is not familiar with. Sorry, but I can't help Stern here. I do however believe the laws need to be changed to better reflect our society (preferably without idiots like Stern, Savage, or Coutier allowed anywhere near a microphone)
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03-21-2004, 12:47 PM | #11 (permalink) |
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I believe Oprah had good intentions, but the content was not appropriate, especially for the time-slot her show has. I'm not a big fan of Stern, but I'll back him up in this; Oprah shouldn't be able to get away with that on her time-slot, good intentions or not.
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03-21-2004, 01:30 PM | #12 (permalink) |
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Let it be clear that I could care less about Howard Stern and, while I don't care about Oprah either, I'm more indifferent to her than anything else.
Here's the thing though....Howard Stern wanted to play this clip from the Oprah show on his show, because he knew the FCC was watching him. He was stopped because all the higher-ups that he works for thought - and probably rightfully so - that he would have been fined for airing the clip from the Oprah show. His point was if they fine him, they have to fine her too. The idea of getting Oprah fined is not to do something bad to her or anything like that, but to point out a certain hypocrisy in the FCC. Were Oprah's intentions educational - sure. Was it appropriate for a 4PM time slot so kids could learn how to do all these things? No. Fact is, as much as Oprah would love to scare you into believing, I'm positive that these things are not as prevalent in adolescent culture. The person she was speaking to spoke to *50* kids. Hardly a large sample group. As someone who has many adolescent cousins that I speak to, I know for a fact that if I were to ask them what a rainbow party was they would have no idea. That's not to say it doesn't exist, but it seems to me Oprah fails to account for the fact it's likely a regional phenomenon. So, Oprah educates kids - whom there is nothing to say shouldn't be watching the Oprah show - all about how to throw sexually gratifying parties, about oral anal sex - which many probably had never even thought about, about new slang for HIV - as if adolescents all over were getting HIV as if it were the next pokemon, and so forth. And, for all of this potential exposure to kids, nothing from the FCC. When Howard Stern wants to air the clip from her show - on a show which it is understood, and I'm sure mentioned (although I don't listen to it so I'm not positive) that it is made for adults and that kids shouldn't be listening, he's stopped because it's almost certain the FCC would fine him. Thus, the hypocrisy. So, it doesn't really matter if you like Oprah or not, or even if you think what was on her show was fine. The point is, the FCC is targeting people they don't like and looking over people they do. That is wrong.
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03-21-2004, 01:43 PM | #13 (permalink) |
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I also don't give a shit about Howard. I don't think I've ever listened to his show for more than 2 minutes without turning it off.
It's about equal application of law. If they're going to fine one person for one thing, they should do the same to another. It was at 4pm in the afternoon. Fuck context- these are dirty words, and dirty descriptions, at 4pm. With this logic, you'll tell me an expose on strip clubs, including nudity, would be ok for 4pm, because it's "informational", or showing a breast exam because it's "a clinical discussion". This was not clinical, and not appropriate for 4pm in any event, regardless of what Howard says or does. They're just afraid of fining Oprah. |
03-21-2004, 04:13 PM | #15 (permalink) | |
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03-21-2004, 04:24 PM | #16 (permalink) |
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To all the people who say fuck Stern... You just don't fucking get it. The government is trying to shut him up. They are trying to take away free speech. It's a bunch on far right conservative christians wanting to tell me, you, and everyone else America what we should watch, say, and do. Now, you may hate Stern, but if they silence him, what makes you think they can't silence you and anyone else? This is a free country. We do have the freedom to say whatever we want. Because of this shit that's going on with the Stern show I will not be voting for Bush... As much as I hate to say it.... It looks like Kerry will be getting my vote.
I listen to Stern every day, and the FCC totally targets him. There's things that he can't say, but I hear other "shock jocks" on local stations saying stuff that he can't. It's complete bullshit. Just because you hate Stern that doesn't mean that he doesn't have the right to do his show. For the FCC to take his show off of 6 markets,where he was #1 in all of them, is fucking horseshit. If people don't want to hear him then they don't have to put him on. Change the dial and ignore him. That's how to get rid of him, but the fact is there's millions of people who love him because he's just fucking funny. The government shouldn't be taking him off the air, and I would strongly suggest that anyone else who loves their free speech to support Stern, or it may be you or someone you like next. Is that what it's gonna take to make you realize what's going on. It really pisses me off that people just don't give a fuck about this at all. |
03-21-2004, 04:55 PM | #17 (permalink) |
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I'm for free speech and I don't think it's right what they are doing to Stern. If I don't like something he says I turn off the radio. Is that so difficult? It makes no sense that people complain about him so much if it's so fucking easy to just turn off the show and ignore him.
I believe that the Oprah Show is attempting to inform and educate todays society/teens/adults. On most occasions there will be a notice before any talk show that warns of explicit material and advises parental supervision. I'm not sure if this was done before this particular show? A warning or a particular time slot to speak of those topics would seem more rational then trying to get her in trouble or censor her like Stern. That's how I feel.
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03-21-2004, 07:30 PM | #18 (permalink) |
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I completely agree. However, right now I think most people look at it and see the FCC censoring Stern and think nothing of it. Stern is an easy target for the FCC because not many people will complain about him being censored. But if the FCC were to be consistant and then censored and fined Oprah, people would realize just how far-reaching and ludicrous the FCC is being. Without something to slap people around and wake them up to the rediculousness that is the FCC, no one will fight for a change.
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03-21-2004, 07:50 PM | #19 (permalink) |
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I don't like Stern, but I support him because he's always targeted by everyone for having the balls to not sugarcoat everything. IF your delicate ears can't handle it, turn it off, don't tell me what I can and can't hear
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03-22-2004, 06:45 AM | #20 (permalink) |
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Stern is a victim of his own success. He is targeted by the FCC because he has a long history of "offensive" stunts. Other shock jocks haven't yet been taken note of by the FCC and once they are they will also be fined.
I agree that the person talking on the Oprah show is probably full of it. I don't think the things she talked about are prevalent. But I also don't think the tone of Oprah's show was one of approval and encouragement.
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03-22-2004, 07:44 AM | #21 (permalink) |
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WOW!!!...WTF...I'm almost dead on in agreement with sixate.
Except for the listening to Stern part. I don't listen to him. I think he's an ass. However, if he leaves the airwaves, I want it to be because he can't get sponsers due to the fact that no one listens to him, not because someone in the government says so. I am capable of deciding for myself what's in my own best intrests, not some bureaucrat.
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03-22-2004, 08:00 AM | #22 (permalink) |
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My two cents.....While I dont care of either Stern or Winfrey, they should both have to adhere to the same rules.....
We have an ongoing battle here with the Regular Guys morning show on our atlanta rock station.....they are under suspension right now because of something that happened on the air friday..... I read crap about NASCAR telling the drivers that they can no longer be free to say what they want on their radio communication between them and their crew chiefs, when those are not FCC regulated airwaves. This is all getting ridiculous....
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03-22-2004, 10:35 AM | #23 (permalink) |
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Honestly, I really dont care about Howard Stern/Oprah, what I hate the most is the fact that in general the censorship is so out of control.
Literarly, any cuss word said no matter what time it is is censored because it violates someones ears or something. For example: I was watching the Matrix a few weeks ago on TNT and it was like 11 PM I beleive so all the kiddlies should be in bed, yet they still censor words like hell -> heck and shit -> shucks? I mean sure if your on the morning show when kids should be watching language may need to be censored but after 9 PM I beleive that the censors are just dumb. (personal opinion) |
03-22-2004, 10:47 AM | #24 (permalink) |
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I definitely agree that Stern and Winfrey should have to adhere to the same rules, but I can't bring myself to complaining about Oprah's show. Yeah, if Stern is going to be fined for that, so should Oprah, but as with what is done on Stern's show, I don't have a problem with what was said on Oprah's show. If I can complain to the FCC about not treating them the same, then I will do that.
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03-22-2004, 12:25 PM | #26 (permalink) |
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It's disgusting the way everyone claims you could just turn it off but they fail to remember how curious they were while growing up at a young age. They seem to forget peer pressure.
Natural curiosity and examples of how different people live and what they get away with are enticing. There are enough bad examples of people succeeding through drugs,perversion, rock n roll,crime etc. One only has to look at the glorification and idolization of ghetto thugs and drug abusers on M.T.V. for a good example. Do you want your child to idolize Old Dirty Bastard or Marilyn Manson as a role model ? It's time to start regulating what can be easily accessed by children. Unless you all just don't care what the children of todays society are exposed to,if so, then why don't we also lower the age discrimination limits on tobacco ? SO, the kiddies can smoke after viewing porn. Last edited by Demon Deacon; 03-22-2004 at 12:33 PM.. |
03-22-2004, 12:40 PM | #27 (permalink) |
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Id reply to that with something having to do with parents actually *gasp* parenting, but one has to realize that a large percentage of said parents were raised by a TV.
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If kids are mindless sheep it's because their parents are worthless, and spend no time with them. Oh, and uhm, aren't kids at school during the fucking Stern show anyway? Yeah, I thought so. |
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03-22-2004, 12:55 PM | #29 (permalink) |
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People do use the "parenting" excuse, I do too, but the fact is that no matter how good of a parent you are you can't watch your kid 24-7. You shouldn't even if you could because then you just seem too controlling.
This is bullshit for Oprah to get away with something that Howard can't. I guess I'll complain to the FCC, even though its something that I really don't agree with. The law is the law. I may not agree with it, but they need one standard. Not one for Howard and one for Oprah. This "context" bullshit pisses me off also. Whether or not the focus is to educate as opposed to titilate, it's the same content. Kind of like how on TV you can call someone a dick or tell someone to "suck it" but you can't say "suck my dick." It's splitting hairs. For some reason though it brings me great pleasure to hear that they talked about tossing the salad on Oprah. That's some funny shit. |
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Not trying to be critical or anything, but I laughed a bit when I read this post.
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03-22-2004, 09:02 PM | #38 (permalink) |
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There shouldn't be a double standard.
There should be restrictions and rules simply because most people don't want easily accessible smut for young children. (Good parents or bad, it doesn't really matter) It's called common decency. The fact is that kids today are more prone to violent acts, shootings, crime etc. The fact is that there are alot more parentless kids today that are being raised by T.V. and music. They look up to these people as role models. You think there is a relation or link between all the new violent crimes being committed by younger children today and who they view as role models ? |
03-24-2004, 12:01 PM | #39 (permalink) |
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I'll answer my own question. Yes, of course there is a relation. The root of the problem may be the lack of parental guidance but the end results are the same. There is a reason for such a dramatic increase in crime by teens. The reasons are obvious. It's a lack of guidance and good discipline. If you allow children public access to view and listen to programs without guidelines, restrictions or rules based on common decency/ principles then you are not setting a proper example of what's acceptable in society. Chaos,lawlessness and people allowed to act in any lewd way they want for public viewing isn't acceptable behavior or a positive influence for kids. These actions should not be condoned. If you allow this to happen on public access for children of any age to view, you are condoning their actions. In other words you approve of it and it's considered normal or acceptable behavior by small children. I could go on but really it's quite ridiculous. I understand the importance of free speech and lack of censorship. This can still be done politely with respect. You don't need having lewd acts on public T.V. or radio that can't be monitored for age. Surely, you would think that the moderators here would understand this since they are so prone to remove and censor anything negative. Most of the people complaining about this are total scumbags making a living off of acting like a derelict. Last edited by Surfer; 03-24-2004 at 12:04 PM.. |
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