Destrox

Other then how greyghost needs to keep his personal issues with shokan to PRIVATE MESSAGES, lets bring this back on topic.

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Shokan I hope this works out for you in a positive way, even if Chan gets his ass in the hot seat, things can still go very wrong for you.

I"ve seen this before when I worked at this one store, the new manager truely had no idea as to what he was doing. We all wondered how he got into his position in the first place, eventually he got his ass handed to him.

Hopefully Chan will get the same, what goes around comes around.

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Lebell

A couple of things:

First, do you work with a Forklift or a pallet jack? Secondly, is the pallet jack a powered pallet jack?

Second, I could look up the current stats on powered truck accidents, but right now, I'll just say that they are significant. They range from crushing accidents, hitting people, materials falling from overhead to battery recharging accidents.

That is why you have to be trained by someone who knows what they are talking about, not just your supervisor who learned it from his supervisor who learned it from...

Just FYI, in the US, OSHA regs make provisions for financially fining the WORKER if they purposefully break the company rules regarding powertruck usage.

You heard right.

If an OSHA inspector has evidence you broke the safety laws even though you were trained properly, they can fine YOU, and further more, the company is barred from paying for you.

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The chain of command is there for a reason; talk to Dan IMMEDIATELY about this. Get stuff in writing, make statements, and make sure he understands that you are serious about this. Who's responsibility is it to install those bolts?

Government involvement isn't really necessary at this point; Dan seems like the go-to guy for this situation.

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Peetster

Any closure? Was this ever resolved?

Menoman

What the hell is up on top of the shelving?? How dangerous is it?

Also how dangerous is the job if you do it correctly. How much unavoidability are there in accidents?

As a significant member in running a business, there are a few things where I work, that a bit dangerous. I understand that some things are just too dangerous, but some things are "potentially" dangerous.

So if things are "potentially" dangerous then perhaps its not a good idea to cause drama in the workplace especially since if Chan isn't easilly replaceable. He won't lose his job he'll just be reprimanded.

Of course if its porcelein bathtubs and theres chances of unavoidable fallings. Thats a different situation and rightfully should be taken to higher authorities.

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Doesn't matter how "Dangerous" the product is. What's dangerous about the fact is that there was a skid full of product on the top of the shelf that had no safety bolt to hold it on the wall. If the shelf were to fall over, anybody in its way is pretty much fucked and Futureshop would have a helluva lawsuit on their hand.

Doesn't matter if the product was balloon, foam or bricks, all shelves must be bolted to the wall!

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Menoman

Yeah yeah, gotta follow security codes amagad~!~! Hate to tell you but I'm gonna put my cash bet on the theory _more_ businesses don't infact follow all safety codes. Because some of them are stupid.

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water_boy1999

Just how significant of a business member are you if you think any safety hazard can just be brushed off? Any, and I do mean ANY accident that is caused in the workplace is a tremendous amount of monetary loss for the company. Worker's comp claims, lawsuits, etc are on the rise because someone can almost break a finger on the job and get paid mucho dinero for it. If I had to place my money menoman, I would definitely take the side of the Safety Consciouss work environment. IMO, it doesn't matter what the fuck is on that top shelf. It it is not secured, it is a hazard.

That asshat Chan does need to find another place of employment.

Bill O'Rights couldn't have said it better. Respect the chain of command, tell Chan's supervisor, document everything, take quotes from fellow employees if you have to. This is a dangerous situation and needs to be remedied.

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Menoman

Do you know of what some of the safety hazards that have to be alleviated to meet all government regulations?

Many of them are stupid, and are used just as an excuse for employee's to bitch and get a few days off work until the so-called problem is fixed.

I'm not saying thats what he is doing. I don't think it is, I just asked what was up there. I am just curious if its cinderblocks of foamblocks.

The business I am a part of deals highly in the use of carbide alloys and tantung alloys. We have many machines to grind the substances, a few of them are a bit older and the state requires no ventilation on them for reasons unknown to me. Yet we have other machines that give off virtually no grinding dust that have requirements of dust catchers and ventillation. The laws are not upkept as they should be.

We do have ventilation on all of our equipment but thats not the point. Its stupid little things like this that the suits have no experience with that they try to regulate and they either do it far too much or far too little.

If there was a single person in the plant where I work that was on the commission to regulate safety in the workplace, I garrentee you at least most of Ohios grinding facilities would abide by the rules set forth, because they would have meaning to them, not ignorance of what is actually going on in the workplace.

You see, what apparently many of the regulations personell don't know or care about is carbide is a heavy substance much like lead. When you grind it, the grinding dust goes into your lungs. Well, tungsten/tangtung alloys you simple can cough it up if you don't have proper ventilation. The carbide you accumulate in your life will never leave your lungs. Its too heavy to be pushed out by coughing, sneezing, whatnot.

What a rant.

Anyway my point is, There are _many_ rules for safety that will never be followed. If you were in my position I think you would see things the same way. The money loss from downtime on machines is not worth fixing a safety hazard if the supposed hazard is something that will not harm someone.

Not only that but there are rules around workers comp. If someone is operating a machine in a fashion that they are not supposed to, their claim is rejected. Its not hard to prove that they were fucking off, since honestly thats about the only way to get hurt at a work enviroment who takes serious hazards seriously and brushes off stupid offenses.



Now honestly Water-Boy, if there were foam blocks up there that weigh 1lb each, and one of your employee's was complaining about it would you drop what your doing to get that fixed? Your going to lose money from possibly shutting down that area of the plant, paying someone to do it, when they should be being paid to do their normal job.

I do believe that this guy is in danger by whatever is up on the top shelf by what he said. Also if it was in my plant I your damn tootin` it would have been fixed long before the first accident occured, but its too easy for employee's to use the system against their employers just for drama or a few days off.

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