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Cynthetiq · 02-04-2004, 06:54 AM

from the big cheese....

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-----Original Message-----
From: Viacom Corporate Relations
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 6:26 PM
Subject: Super Bowl Half Time Show

To: All Viacom Employees
From: Mel Karmazin
Date: February 03, 2004

RE: Super Bowl Half Time Show

As you know, the incident during the Super Bowl’s Half Time Show on Sunday has received a significant amount of attention both in the media and in Washington, D.C. Because of the speculation and misinformation about what transpired, I want to update you on the facts and also on what we are doing to prevent such incidents from occurring in the future.

First let me say that everyone at Viacom, CBS and MTV was shocked and embarrassed about what transpired at the end of our half time performance. Ms. Jackson’s unrehearsed, unplanned and unapproved display went far beyond the bounds of what is acceptable under our broadcast standards. We apologized immediately and publicly to our viewers for the incident.

We also conducted an investigation and are satisfied that we handled the creation and staging of the half time show responsibly and that both CBS and MTV reviewed all planned aspects of the performances in detail and in advance. We have established that no one in our company was aware in advance of any plan to rip Ms. Jackson’s clothing. Executives from MTV, CBS and the NFL attended all rehearsals and nothing like this was included in the show, which was verified by our review of videotapes from the rehearsals. Moreover, I have been assured that we would never have allowed the incident to take place had we known in advance. Janet Jackson has now publicly admitted that she and her choreographer came up with the idea after the last rehearsal and that no one at MTV or at CBS had any knowledge about her plan.

In order to prevent future incidents, we are immediately taking steps to minimize and hopefully eliminate the vulnerability inherent to live television.

First, we are redoubling our already thorough oversight of all live performances -- to be sure that the standards of our networks are upheld and that what is presented is appropriate for the intended audience. Second, in addition to our longstanding policy to employ audio delete technology on live entertainment broadcasts, we will begin a video delete capability with the February 8 broadcast of the Grammy Awards on CBS. We believe that this new procedure will allow us to keep unplanned and unscripted—accidental or otherwise—incidents from occurring in the future.

Other aspects and segments of the half time show are being debated and criticized and will no doubt continue to be discussed over the next several weeks. We support the right of people to disagree with the choices we make just as we value and take seriously the public trust that is given to us. And we will continue to do everything we can to assure that our live broadcasts adhere to the same high standards as the programming we air every day.

ARTelevision · 02-04-2004, 07:10 AM

Yes. One can hope that this may initiate an actual review of what exactly constitutes socially responsible practice. As you know, I believe media conglomerates such as the one(s) in question are so far from operating in socially conscionable ways that it would need to be a sweeping and near-revolutionary internal review. As a result, they will need to respond to the external feedback they are getting from the populations they so expertly exploit.

That's what's happening now and it is a good thing so far. The fact that their responses are clumsy and transparent only demonstrates they are just now beginning to get a clue that they have inadvertently been brainwashing themselves to believe they're somehow not responsible for the results of their actions.

Cynthetiq · 02-04-2004, 07:29 AM

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Originally posted by ARTelevision
That's what's happening now and it is a good thing so far. The fact that their responses are clumsy and transparent only demonstrates they are just now beginning to get a clue that they have inadvertently been brainwashing themselves to believe they're somehow not responsible for the results of their actions.

actually, not true.

There was an incident in Big Bear California 2001 involving a performance art group called the Shower Rangers who did a projectile defacation on stage. Some girls sued and there was some sort of settlement.

here's the response from Brian Graden President of MTV at the time, he's now president of MTV and VH1.

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For its part MTV, which is already knee-deep in controversy over Jackass stunts, called the Dude prank a "terrible incident" that will never be repeated.

"It was unintended and we regret that it happened," Brian Graden, MTV's programming president, said in a statement. "I was not aware of the content of this segment prior to the taping, and have taken steps to ensure that an incident of this nature never happens again."

Graden also let it be known that the footage from the pilot "has never and will never air" and said the network vows to address the lawsuit "accordingly through the legal process."

"We are sorry if these women were hurt. It is certainly never our intention to hurt anyone," added Graden.

MTV is very conscious of it's social responsibilities. Which is why Fight For Your Rights, Choose or Lose, and a number of other socially responsible actvities exist.

This kind of stunt isn't anything new to their controversies going back all the way to the mid80's where Tipper Gore took to fighting the record companies. Beavis and Butthead, Jackass, and other types along those lines, have kept MTV in an interesting schism of keeping cutting edge and pushing the envelope, to also having to find a responsible way of broadcasting and promoting.

ARTelevision · 02-04-2004, 07:31 AM

Yes, I'm aware of what has been done and how MTV likes to think of itself. On the issue of what exactly constitutes social responsibility, we disagree.
Thanks.

Cynthetiq · 02-04-2004, 08:41 AM

I think it's along the same lines of the government.

one hand does not always know what the other hand is doing, thus creating disconnect and an appearance of irresponsibility.

one of the best things that I think comes out of the whole company is the fact that they try very hard to be community leaders from the inside out.

ARTelevision · 02-04-2004, 09:08 AM

Cynthetiq, we won't be agreeing on this one and as a horse lover I'm not one to beat a dead one - not even metaphorically.

I did find the following story to be of interest as regards the thread topic:

-The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 2/4/04-

Spike Lee blasts Jackson's Super Bowl strip

Associated Press

CANTON, Ohio -- Film director Spike Lee criticized Janet Jackson's surprise breast-baring during the Super Bowl halftime show last weekend as a "new low" of attention-getting antics by entertainers.

There has been a decline in artistry, Lee said while speaking at Kent State University's regional campus in Stark County, Ohio, on Tuesday night.

Lee said it's not enough to be a good singer, and that entertainers "have to do something extra" -- such as the openmouthed kiss Madonna gave Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera during the MTV Video Music Awards in August.

"What's gonna be next? It's getting crazy, and it's all down to money. Money and fame," said Lee, the director of "Malcolm X" and "Do the Right Thing." "Somehow the whole value system has been upended."

........................

As a creative artist - among other creative people, I have been a voice in the wilderness regarding this subject for a long time. I am more hopeful now that there will be an elevated level of discussion regarding mass-media manipulation of the population...

Prince · 02-04-2004, 09:53 AM

I find it hard to believe that CBS had no idea this was going to happen. Even bad publicity is still publicity, and Jackson for one has always been very careful about planning her public appearances. It all seems quite calculated to me, and I don't see why this is frontpage news, really. Celebs are always doing boring bullshit, why call attention to it?

Yawn.

Cynthetiq · 02-04-2004, 11:00 AM

more....

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-----Original Message-----
From: McGrath, Judy
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 1:03 PM
To: M_MTV_NY; M_MTV_SANTA MONICA
Cc: Toffler, Van
Subject: The Superbowl Halftime

This is a great creative organization, with a lot of integrity, and it always will be. You all make certain of that every day.

We have a lot in common. We share a deep love for MTV, and for all the musicians who make it their homebase. And I also know that because our whole organization cares about doing the right thing, the true thing, and the most relevent, inspired work, the last several days have been incredibly painful.

During the last few seconds of the halftime event, we were completely hijacked. Nobody knew it was coming, and it has become a cultural flashpoint. We were, without our knowledge, placed in the most untenable position, and we all feel it.

From the start, the executive production team took on this event with the intention of integrating a deeper message...to take the Choose or Lose banner, one of our proudest achievements, and wrap it around a diverse collection of artists who are part of the popular culture today. To use our clout to encourage people to participate in the coming election, to choose to be involved in whatever issue matters to them, to consider what we explore routinely on MTV...from ending prejudice, to fighting AIDS in Africa. They worked hard on a very complicated production, with typical diligence and professionalism.
I'm proud of all of them.

So now we find ourselves, unintentionally, the center of another cultural dialogue..and yet, free and healthy cultural debate is part of what MTV represents.

We believe that everyone, every day, in our whole company, sets out with the best intentions.... and that is apparant in our work, 24/7. This production was no exception, and many people worked incredibly hard to support it. We have a great, strong organization, and we will get through this.

Judy

ARTelevision · 02-04-2004, 11:48 AM

Here is a view in which the type of bad work that is produced by the people who control the imagery of popular culture is described in terms we may not have considered before:
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February 04, 2004, 8:40 a.m.
A Half-Witted NFL?
Wasted resource.
— Michael Novak

A confession: One of the things I have enjoyed about Europe is that at poolside, at the beach, and on the shore of Swiss lakes, European women unselfconsciously remove their tops to absorb the sun. The men seem to be unselfconscious about it, too. For myself, the first two or three times I had difficulty breathing. Like all difficult things, one gets used to it.

So the sight of Janet Jackson's bare breast during the NFL halftime show Sunday cannot be said to have shocked me. But the firestorm it has ignited across the nation may concentrate attention on what a colossal moral waste the NFL halftime shows have been for years and years, one or two seasons excepted.

Football is a great game of hard work, sacrifice, the endurance of pain, precision, discipline, the love of brothers for one another, guts, spirit, the will to overcome adversity, and intense and sustained determination. Why, then, has the NFL been so dense as to allow its halftime show, year after year, to be a celebration of decadence and degradation?

If the moral morons the NFL hires to produce these shows set out to dramatize the last days of the Roman empire in all its legendary sickness, what would they do differently? Who are these seemingly drugged, indifferent, writhing pagan figures they now throw around the platform? These are not living human beings in action, these are sacks of flesh, writhing, grinding, pawing, acting out no higher appeal than bodily functions. They evoke no virtues of the human spirit. It is as if they wish to suffocate any spark of Jewish or Christian womanhood and manhood. It is as if they mean to corrupt, seduce, degrade. A more radically anti-Jewish and anti-Christian assault, embodying the sort of Wagnerian images of pagan disgust and decay that enraptured Hitlerian audiences, would be hard for them to produce.

Why does the NFL do this? Why do they want to dramatize in corrupt "art" the very opposite of what they dramatize on the field, in the inherent beauty of football itself? Why do they turn halftime over to people who loathe every virtue football stands for and depends on?

There are so many beautiful events in the history of our nation that our children and our families deserve to know, so many glorious episodes to dramatize. Why doesn't the NFL stage a ten-year sequence of halftime shows that tell the great story of the Founding of our nation? For this story embodies all the virtues required by championship football, and many others besides.

And it can be done, beautifully and affectingly. One year (was it the Super Bowl after 9/11?), the NFL did stage a very moving tribute to the American Founding and its basic documents; I remember Jack Kemp, among others, reading those resonant words, in a decorous and solemn setting that filled all who saw it with resolve and purpose. But this may have been a film produced in advance, and shown only in the stadium, with pageant and color in silent motion spread out below the giant stadium screens. It may even have been only the pre-game show.

Our historians, novelists, dramatists, songwriters, and choreographers have certainly given us a rich mine of works that are the proper heritage of all our people. Why could these not be presented before worldwide audiences? Why can't the NFL support the Herculean struggles of besieged families, and overworked schools, against the horrid drudge of a sick popular culture, and help parents and teachers to fire the imaginations of our children with ennobling images of greatness and achievement? Why does the NFL put our families through the sludge of an exhausted, desperate pagan culture that is going nowhere, and celebrates losers and freaks? Our families have enough enemies to fight through. Must they also fight the NFL?

On a deeper level, why does the NFL go against its own nature, beliefs, and strengths? Why does it embarrass and demean itself?

For no other event during the year are more Americans focused together on the same liturgical celebration, especially as families, than at Super Bowl halftime. An NFL halftime should feed our minds and souls, and our sense of nobility and beauty, and remain forever a memory cherished by children and families alike.

Until now, halftime has been a cultural waste. A broken cistern, yielding no water. A ruin. It speaks ill of the producers who imagined it and set it before us.

— Michael Novak is the winner of the 1994 Templeton Prize for progress in religion and the George Frederick Jewett Scholar in Religion, Philosophy, and Public Policy at the American Enterprise Institute. Novak's own website is www.michaelnovak.net.

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Cynthetiq · 02-04-2004, 02:26 PM

nice art.. that's a great article...

Well, the person that I was waiting to hear from has finally spoken. Tom is a great person. He really is a great person. I'm not speaking about if you agree or disagree, but as an individual he cares a great deal about people. He's a very approachable president, he's also concerned about the well being of his staff. If he sees you unhappy he'll for sure ask you what he can do to help you out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Freston, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 3:15 PM
Subject: Super Bowl Halftime Show

The Janet Jackson / Justin Timberlake incident certainly marred the Super Bowl festivities and has led to quite a firestorm.

It was a low moment, totally inappropriate, and I want you to know that NO ONE at MTV or, for that matter, at the NFL or CBS, had any advance notice, warning, information, or any indication that it was going to happen. We have fully investigated this, have come to this conclusion, and know that the pending FCC investigation will concur. Unfortunately, some seem to still believe we were "in on this", but we are working hard to change that perception. We will be vindicated, trust me.

Our Super Bowl production had great intentions and good planning but fell victim to the perils of live television and a misplaced trust with certain performers.

Judy McGrath sent a heartfelt note to her staff at MTV and I have attached it here to share with you. I fully support her strong belief in this company and the good work that we do here. This is a great place and, despite what a few are saying, you should feel proud to be at MTV Networks.

Bigt6909 · 02-04-2004, 03:06 PM

people are once again making too big of a deal out of something so small and insignificant

Nazggul · 02-04-2004, 04:00 PM

Hmmm, you scanned that off a Tivo? Is there software out there that can scan stuff off a DVD inot still images?

ARTelevision · 02-04-2004, 04:19 PM

Anyway Cynthetiq, I think the value in the article by Michael Novak lies in the art-historical references regarding the derivation and esthetic context of the library of pop-culture images that are employed today.

As I've given more art history lectures in my life than I can recall, I have not taken the time to catalog the references Novak lists above. I thought his article could serve as an introduction to that topic, so as it's developed we will have a common frame of reference.

There are some huge problems inherent in the types of imagery that are being mass produced for the general consumption of a population poorly prepared to comprehend their lineage and ultimate effect.

More (inevitably) later on this...

i8one2 · 02-04-2004, 08:51 PM

A stunt, everyone covering there asses because of public and governmental outrage, of the smut being shown to millions of young children! Oh the joy! Remember the game? I hear it was one of the best ever, but some boob/s decided to take away all the hard work the two teams that played the game had put forth, by using there talent, instead of nudity and pathetic behavior. I wonder, who won again?

Fearless_Hyena · 02-04-2004, 09:58 PM

The more I hear about this the more it pisses me off. Despite all the responsible parties trying to defend themselves, people have to realize that the stunt was still approved by MTV, The NFL, and CBS. Sure it went father than planned but he was *still* grabbing her tits and exposing her (partially or completely, no matter...) as part of the script! No one can deny that -- nobody just grabs Janet Jackson's boobs without her permission, and without it being planned well in advance.

He's still assaulting a black woman on national TV for entertainment. When I first heard that perspective I thought it was BS, but think about it, it's true. What kind of F'ed up imagery is that???

Like Michael Novak in the great article above, I'm not personally shocked or offended by seeing Miss Jackson's right boob. In fact, at the time I thought it was pretty cool. But what bothers me is that this publicity stunt was planned from the beginning solely to be shocking and controversial, using really bad judgment. It might give the children who were watching the idea that it was a good thing.

sixate · 02-05-2004, 05:12 AM

I can't believe this discussion is still going on. I can't believe people actually see it as a white man assaulting a black woman.... Grow the fuck up.

People are so worried about the kids who saw that... Well, I have friends that coach 6th grade boys hoops, and 7th grade girls hoops. You know what? They could give a fuck less about this stupid ass shit. It's the adults acting like the fucking 2 year olds in this situation. Kids don't see it as a sexual assault on a black woman. Gimme a fuckin' break.

Everyone is making a non-story a huge issue for absolutely no reason at all.

Do you people actually think it's the media that's fucking up society? Most kids have seen much worse by the time they're 3. Most kids have parents who fight, drink, and do drugs in front of them, and after all that they still get beat, and their parents hardly pay any attention to them. Why the fuck aren't any of you bitching about that? That's where the problem is. The SuperBowl halftime show is nothing compared to what most kids have to deal with at home every single day of their lives. Kids get fucked up by their fucked up parents..... Not by anyone's god damn breast!!

There... I feel much better.

ARTelevision · 02-05-2004, 06:04 AM

It's good to talk about stuff.

Craven Morehead · 02-05-2004, 06:34 AM

A line has to be drawn somewhere. sixate you may be right that this is being overblown. However, if this is allowed, then what isn't? This clearly exceeds the tolerances that have been established for broadcast TV. How this is handled will determine if those tolerances remain or become more liberal. Its looking like the later is not going to happen. Some smart ass though it would be alright to push the boundries. Suprise, its not.

Its an interesting process to watch. We are seeing society react to this and that reaction is going to have some effect on the media. This is a very interesting process. Most of the time these changes happen incrementally over time. Time is being compressed here and we can watch (whether we agree, or not) the process, first hand.

analog · 02-05-2004, 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by sixate
...It's the adults acting like the fucking 2 year olds in this situation.

...Everyone is making a non-story a huge issue for absolutely no reason at all.

...Kids get fucked up by their fucked up parents..... Not by anyone's god damn breast!!

I feel better now as well. What a lot of bullshit over something so small. It's a fucking BREAST.

ARTelevision · 02-05-2004, 10:44 AM

...it's not the breast.

It's the ruinous "entertainment" we are accustomed to and its multi-million dollar, mind-dulling, and exploitative nature. It's the entire unnaceptable-as-mass-demographic/age-consumption issue. To blow it off as "it's a breast, duh" doesn't address what actually occurred. And it doesn't address the fact that we are being psychologically assaulted by a bunch of cynical corporate moral cretins.

illesturban · 02-05-2004, 02:15 PM

Well I don't know anything about the racial claims, but that's just hella stupid and unethical. It was Janet's idea in the first place. Justin is practically black his damn self; lmfao. I mean those claims were started by someone trying to get attention and it worked.

The smokinggun.com reports:

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FEBRUARY 5--It took almost three days, but the first lawsuit has been filed in connection with Janet Jackson's breast. A Tennessee woman yesterday filed a proposed class action lawsuit "on behalf of all Americans" who watched the Super Bowl halftime show and were somehow injured by Miss Jackson's adorned nipple. In the below federal complaint, Terri Carlin, a 47-year-old Knoxville bank employee, contends that Jackson's exposure and other "sexually explicit conduct" during halftime festivities caused viewers to "suffer outrage, anger, embarrassment and serious injury." Details of those supposed injuries were not further described in the complaint filed by attorney Wayne A. Ritchie II. Along with Jackson, Carlin has named as defendants Justin Timberlake, CBS, MTV, and Viacom. Carlin's complaint seeks compensatory and punitive damages, though an exact dollar figure is not specified. But it seems billions would be in order since Carlin notes that punitive damages should not exceed the gross revenues of all defendants for the past three years.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH When will this madness STOP!? Why did no one sue MTV over Britney, Madonna, and Xtina KISSING!? Makes no COT DAMN SENSE!

Cynthetiq · 02-05-2004, 02:32 PM

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Originally posted by illesturban
Well I don't know anything about the racial claims, but that's just hella stupid and unethical. It was Janet's idea in the first place. Justin is practically black his damn self; lmfao. I mean those claims were started by someone trying to get attention and it worked.

The smokinggun.com reports:

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FEBRUARY 5--It took almost three days, but the first lawsuit has been filed in connection with Janet Jackson's breast. A Tennessee woman yesterday filed a proposed class action lawsuit "on behalf of all Americans" who watched the Super Bowl halftime show and were somehow injured by Miss Jackson's adorned nipple. In the below federal complaint, Terri Carlin, a 47-year-old Knoxville bank employee, contends that Jackson's exposure and other "sexually explicit conduct" during halftime festivities caused viewers to "suffer outrage, anger, embarrassment and serious injury." Details of those supposed injuries were not further described in the complaint filed by attorney Wayne A. Ritchie II. Along with Jackson, Carlin has named as defendants Justin Timberlake, CBS, MTV, and Viacom. Carlin's complaint seeks compensatory and punitive damages, though an exact dollar figure is not specified. But it seems billions would be in order since Carlin notes that punitive damages should not exceed the gross revenues of all defendants for the past three years.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH When will this madness STOP!? Why did no one sue MTV over Britney, Madonna, and Xtina KISSING!? Makes no COT DAMN SENSE!

great.. I guess we'll all get coupons for Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake CD's. and the lawyers will walk with all the money in their pockets.

thedrake · 02-06-2004, 08:45 AM

I'll have you naked by the end of this thread!

Cynthetiq · 02-06-2004, 11:36 AM

from my journal entry:

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A friend of mine was just walking in the halls doing a security audit regarding the Boob incident. We've worked many years together in fact if you look back in my journal history he's the man who ran the 24 hour 100 mile race and finished it around 23:53.

He's a nice man. I enjoy his company a lot. He's taught me a lot about life.

His new duties involve security and he's got an interesting thing to do regarding the boob incident. His mission is to go to 75 suspect desktops and log information regarding the IP address, configuration, and such. Tonight when everyone goes home a third party contractor will take the information and use WOL (wake on LAN) technology which will bring up the computer and the security team will audit and suck out information from the computers.

They already went over all the mail servers for keywords and secured any evidence.

I'm not surprised at the techniques or the process. Working with the technology I tend to forget that these things are important, and need to be secured for evidence.

just remember that it's all being watched somehow, somewhere

ARTelevision · 02-06-2004, 12:58 PM

Right. Some things will be changing as a result of audience reaction to programmed content. That's how it works. A very significant cultural threshold has been reached - people are speaking their minds - and cultural evolution may move unpredictably for once.

Fly · 02-06-2004, 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by sixate
I can't believe this discussion is still going on.

Most kids have parents who fight, drink, and do drugs in front of them, and after all that they still get beat, and their parents hardly pay any attention to them. Why the fuck aren't any of you bitching about that? That's where the problem is. The SuperBowl halftime show is nothing compared to what most kids have to deal with at home every single day of their lives. Kids get fucked up by their fucked up parents..... Not by anyone's god damn breast!!

There... I feel much better.

never thought i'd ever agree w/ sixate on anything,but,......he nailed it on the head here.

mingusfingers · 02-06-2004, 04:17 PM

Ah, that ring is freaky.

jasonresno · 02-06-2004, 05:01 PM

'Serious injury'? BS. She just wants money..

manupimp · 02-06-2004, 05:05 PM

here in canada the pic ran in all newspapers. even the small metro newspaper had a huge shoot of her tit.! We like nudity here in canada we don't complain.!

ftoledo · 02-06-2004, 08:18 PM

We have more to worry about than the looking at one ugly boob. How about that asshat that is setting forth a class action suit because she was "injured" as a result of halftime show?

buclao · 02-06-2004, 08:32 PM

what!? I refuse to believe that because he saw some tit for a second that he's going to be traumatized.

How is he injured? Emotionally or physically?

I really hope this gets thrown out

TheShadow · 02-06-2004, 08:50 PM

I think that this is bascially just another case of lawsuit addiction and/or stupidity - akin to sueing over being burned by hot coffee.

Spartak · 02-06-2004, 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by ftoledo
Asshat...

Ya'll got that right.

forseti-6 · 02-06-2004, 11:00 PM

I heard about this on the news. It's some LADY that is sueing, saying it caused her embarrasment and stress. Does she get embarrassed when she looks in the mirror? Some people will do anything for their 15 minutes.

PoteMatic · 02-06-2004, 11:03 PM

The only thing that i see wrong with it is the fact that she had that massive nipple thing on lol and it makes me think it was planned cause who the hell wears those for fun.

jbswads · 02-09-2004, 07:38 AM

that was totally planned. she hasn't had a hit album in a while. let alone a song. and she needed some publicity. they said it was a "costume malfunction" how does clothing malfunction?

Grimlok · 02-09-2004, 12:08 PM

She hasn't had a hit album because she hasn't put one out. Janet has never had an album flop and it cracks me up when people say she's a has been...

If she were... you wouldn't be talking about her. And you'd all bang her in a second.

minyn · 02-09-2004, 05:37 PM

i just like the nipple thingy

rar?

tuffrr · 02-09-2004, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by Grimlok
If she were... you wouldn't be talking about her. And you'd all bang her in a second.

Not likely!

I can't believe this is still causing so much controversy. What was actually shown - a boob with a nipple covered. Surely this is nothing more than what is seen in public. They have put the picture of it in daily newspapers all over the world - so obviously the image is not the problem.

Tophat665 · 02-09-2004, 06:12 PM

I'd hit it.

02-04-2004, 07:10 AM	#162 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	Yes. One can hope that this may initiate an actual review of what exactly constitutes socially responsible practice. As you know, I believe media conglomerates such as the one(s) in question are so far from operating in socially conscionable ways that it would need to be a sweeping and near-revolutionary internal review. As a result, they will need to respond to the external feedback they are getting from the populations they so expertly exploit. That's what's happening now and it is a good thing so far. The fact that their responses are clumsy and transparent only demonstrates they are just now beginning to get a clue that they have inadvertently been brainwashing themselves to believe they're somehow not responsible for the results of their actions. __________________ create evolution

02-04-2004, 07:31 AM	#164 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	Yes, I'm aware of what has been done and how MTV likes to think of itself. On the issue of what exactly constitutes social responsibility, we disagree. Thanks. __________________ create evolution

02-04-2004, 09:08 AM	#166 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	Cynthetiq, we won't be agreeing on this one and as a horse lover I'm not one to beat a dead one - not even metaphorically. I did find the following story to be of interest as regards the thread topic: -The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 2/4/04- Spike Lee blasts Jackson's Super Bowl strip Associated Press CANTON, Ohio -- Film director Spike Lee criticized Janet Jackson's surprise breast-baring during the Super Bowl halftime show last weekend as a "new low" of attention-getting antics by entertainers. There has been a decline in artistry, Lee said while speaking at Kent State University's regional campus in Stark County, Ohio, on Tuesday night. Lee said it's not enough to be a good singer, and that entertainers "have to do something extra" -- such as the openmouthed kiss Madonna gave Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera during the MTV Video Music Awards in August. "What's gonna be next? It's getting crazy, and it's all down to money. Money and fame," said Lee, the director of "Malcolm X" and "Do the Right Thing." "Somehow the whole value system has been upended." ........................ As a creative artist - among other creative people, I have been a voice in the wilderness regarding this subject for a long time. I am more hopeful now that there will be an elevated level of discussion regarding mass-media manipulation of the population... __________________ create evolution

02-04-2004, 09:53 AM	#167 (permalink)
Prince /nɑndəsˈkrɪpt/ Location: LV-426	I find it hard to believe that CBS had no idea this was going to happen. Even bad publicity is still publicity, and Jackson for one has always been very careful about planning her public appearances. It all seems quite calculated to me, and I don't see why this is frontpage news, really. Celebs are always doing boring bullshit, why call attention to it? Yawn. __________________ Who is John Galt?

02-04-2004, 11:48 AM	#169 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	Here is a view in which the type of bad work that is produced by the people who control the imagery of popular culture is described in terms we may not have considered before: ............................................. February 04, 2004, 8:40 a.m. A Half-Witted NFL? Wasted resource. — Michael Novak A confession: One of the things I have enjoyed about Europe is that at poolside, at the beach, and on the shore of Swiss lakes, European women unselfconsciously remove their tops to absorb the sun. The men seem to be unselfconscious about it, too. For myself, the first two or three times I had difficulty breathing. Like all difficult things, one gets used to it. So the sight of Janet Jackson's bare breast during the NFL halftime show Sunday cannot be said to have shocked me. But the firestorm it has ignited across the nation may concentrate attention on what a colossal moral waste the NFL halftime shows have been for years and years, one or two seasons excepted. Football is a great game of hard work, sacrifice, the endurance of pain, precision, discipline, the love of brothers for one another, guts, spirit, the will to overcome adversity, and intense and sustained determination. Why, then, has the NFL been so dense as to allow its halftime show, year after year, to be a celebration of decadence and degradation? If the moral morons the NFL hires to produce these shows set out to dramatize the last days of the Roman empire in all its legendary sickness, what would they do differently? Who are these seemingly drugged, indifferent, writhing pagan figures they now throw around the platform? These are not living human beings in action, these are sacks of flesh, writhing, grinding, pawing, acting out no higher appeal than bodily functions. They evoke no virtues of the human spirit. It is as if they wish to suffocate any spark of Jewish or Christian womanhood and manhood. It is as if they mean to corrupt, seduce, degrade. A more radically anti-Jewish and anti-Christian assault, embodying the sort of Wagnerian images of pagan disgust and decay that enraptured Hitlerian audiences, would be hard for them to produce. Why does the NFL do this? Why do they want to dramatize in corrupt "art" the very opposite of what they dramatize on the field, in the inherent beauty of football itself? Why do they turn halftime over to people who loathe every virtue football stands for and depends on? There are so many beautiful events in the history of our nation that our children and our families deserve to know, so many glorious episodes to dramatize. Why doesn't the NFL stage a ten-year sequence of halftime shows that tell the great story of the Founding of our nation? For this story embodies all the virtues required by championship football, and many others besides. And it can be done, beautifully and affectingly. One year (was it the Super Bowl after 9/11?), the NFL did stage a very moving tribute to the American Founding and its basic documents; I remember Jack Kemp, among others, reading those resonant words, in a decorous and solemn setting that filled all who saw it with resolve and purpose. But this may have been a film produced in advance, and shown only in the stadium, with pageant and color in silent motion spread out below the giant stadium screens. It may even have been only the pre-game show. Our historians, novelists, dramatists, songwriters, and choreographers have certainly given us a rich mine of works that are the proper heritage of all our people. Why could these not be presented before worldwide audiences? Why can't the NFL support the Herculean struggles of besieged families, and overworked schools, against the horrid drudge of a sick popular culture, and help parents and teachers to fire the imaginations of our children with ennobling images of greatness and achievement? Why does the NFL put our families through the sludge of an exhausted, desperate pagan culture that is going nowhere, and celebrates losers and freaks? Our families have enough enemies to fight through. Must they also fight the NFL? On a deeper level, why does the NFL go against its own nature, beliefs, and strengths? Why does it embarrass and demean itself? For no other event during the year are more Americans focused together on the same liturgical celebration, especially as families, than at Super Bowl halftime. An NFL halftime should feed our minds and souls, and our sense of nobility and beauty, and remain forever a memory cherished by children and families alike. Until now, halftime has been a cultural waste. A broken cistern, yielding no water. A ruin. It speaks ill of the producers who imagined it and set it before us. — Michael Novak is the winner of the 1994 Templeton Prize for progress in religion and the George Frederick Jewett Scholar in Religion, Philosophy, and Public Policy at the American Enterprise Institute. Novak's own website is www.michaelnovak.net. ................. __________________ create evolution

02-04-2004, 08:41 AM	#165 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	I think it's along the same lines of the government. one hand does not always know what the other hand is doing, thus creating disconnect and an appearance of irresponsibility. one of the best things that I think comes out of the whole company is the fact that they try very hard to be community leaders from the inside out.

02-04-2004, 02:26 PM	#170 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	nice art.. that's a great article... Well, the person that I was waiting to hear from has finally spoken. Tom is a great person. He really is a great person. I'm not speaking about if you agree or disagree, but as an individual he cares a great deal about people. He's a very approachable president, he's also concerned about the well being of his staff. If he sees you unhappy he'll for sure ask you what he can do to help you out. -----Original Message----- From: Freston, Tom Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 3:15 PM Subject: Super Bowl Halftime Show The Janet Jackson / Justin Timberlake incident certainly marred the Super Bowl festivities and has led to quite a firestorm. It was a low moment, totally inappropriate, and I want you to know that NO ONE at MTV or, for that matter, at the NFL or CBS, had any advance notice, warning, information, or any indication that it was going to happen. We have fully investigated this, have come to this conclusion, and know that the pending FCC investigation will concur. Unfortunately, some seem to still believe we were "in on this", but we are working hard to change that perception. We will be vindicated, trust me. Our Super Bowl production had great intentions and good planning but fell victim to the perils of live television and a misplaced trust with certain performers. Judy McGrath sent a heartfelt note to her staff at MTV and I have attached it here to share with you. I fully support her strong belief in this company and the good work that we do here. This is a great place and, despite what a few are saying, you should feel proud to be at MTV Networks.

02-04-2004, 03:06 PM	#171 (permalink)
Bigt6909 Crazy Location: Michigan	people are once again making too big of a deal out of something so small and insignificant __________________ Beer. Now there's a temporary solution. --Homer Simpson

02-04-2004, 04:00 PM	#172 (permalink)
Nazggul Psycho Location: San Francisco	Hmmm, you scanned that off a Tivo? Is there software out there that can scan stuff off a DVD inot still images? __________________ "If something has to give then it always will." -- Editors

02-04-2004, 04:19 PM	#173 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	Anyway Cynthetiq, I think the value in the article by Michael Novak lies in the art-historical references regarding the derivation and esthetic context of the library of pop-culture images that are employed today. As I've given more art history lectures in my life than I can recall, I have not taken the time to catalog the references Novak lists above. I thought his article could serve as an introduction to that topic, so as it's developed we will have a common frame of reference. There are some huge problems inherent in the types of imagery that are being mass produced for the general consumption of a population poorly prepared to comprehend their lineage and ultimate effect. More (inevitably) later on this... __________________ create evolution

02-04-2004, 08:51 PM	#174 (permalink)
i8one2 COMPLETED and A TRAINER Location: BEAN_TOWN	A stunt, everyone covering there asses because of public and governmental outrage, of the smut being shown to millions of young children! Oh the joy! Remember the game? I hear it was one of the best ever, but some boob/s decided to take away all the hard work the two teams that played the game had put forth, by using there talent, instead of nudity and pathetic behavior. I wonder, who won again? __________________ LEATHER, LATEX and LACE "SSC" "Nothing That Gives Pleasure is Bad" Quality is for those who know what they want and are at peace with what they have. "S/M is about emotion; the erotic tension between my impulse toward something and my resistance against it."-- Virginia Barker

02-04-2004, 09:58 PM	#175 (permalink)
Fearless_Hyena Hello, good evening, and bollocks. Location: near DC	The more I hear about this the more it pisses me off. Despite all the responsible parties trying to defend themselves, people have to realize that the stunt was still approved by MTV, The NFL, and CBS. Sure it went father than planned but he was still grabbing her tits and exposing her (partially or completely, no matter...) as part of the script! No one can deny that -- nobody just grabs Janet Jackson's boobs without her permission, and without it being planned well in advance. He's still assaulting a black woman on national TV for entertainment. When I first heard that perspective I thought it was BS, but think about it, it's true. What kind of F'ed up imagery is that??? Like Michael Novak in the great article above, I'm not personally shocked or offended by seeing Miss Jackson's right boob. In fact, at the time I thought it was pretty cool. But what bothers me is that this publicity stunt was planned from the beginning solely to be shocking and controversial, using really bad judgment. It might give the children who were watching the idea that it was a good thing.

02-05-2004, 05:12 AM	#176 (permalink)
sixate Registered User Location: Somewhere in Ohio	I can't believe this discussion is still going on. I can't believe people actually see it as a white man assaulting a black woman.... Grow the fuck up. People are so worried about the kids who saw that... Well, I have friends that coach 6th grade boys hoops, and 7th grade girls hoops. You know what? They could give a fuck less about this stupid ass shit. It's the adults acting like the fucking 2 year olds in this situation. Kids don't see it as a sexual assault on a black woman. Gimme a fuckin' break. Everyone is making a non-story a huge issue for absolutely no reason at all. Do you people actually think it's the media that's fucking up society? Most kids have seen much worse by the time they're 3. Most kids have parents who fight, drink, and do drugs in front of them, and after all that they still get beat, and their parents hardly pay any attention to them. Why the fuck aren't any of you bitching about that? That's where the problem is. The SuperBowl halftime show is nothing compared to what most kids have to deal with at home every single day of their lives. Kids get fucked up by their fucked up parents..... Not by anyone's god damn breast!! There... I feel much better.

02-05-2004, 06:04 AM	#177 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	It's good to talk about stuff. __________________ create evolution

02-05-2004, 06:34 AM	#178 (permalink)
Craven Morehead Custom User Title	A line has to be drawn somewhere. sixate you may be right that this is being overblown. However, if this is allowed, then what isn't? This clearly exceeds the tolerances that have been established for broadcast TV. How this is handled will determine if those tolerances remain or become more liberal. Its looking like the later is not going to happen. Some smart ass though it would be alright to push the boundries. Suprise, its not. Its an interesting process to watch. We are seeing society react to this and that reaction is going to have some effect on the media. This is a very interesting process. Most of the time these changes happen incrementally over time. Time is being compressed here and we can watch (whether we agree, or not) the process, first hand.

02-05-2004, 10:44 AM	#180 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	...it's not the breast. It's the ruinous "entertainment" we are accustomed to and its multi-million dollar, mind-dulling, and exploitative nature. It's the entire unnaceptable-as-mass-demographic/age-consumption issue. To blow it off as "it's a breast, duh" doesn't address what actually occurred. And it doesn't address the fact that we are being psychologically assaulted by a bunch of cynical corporate moral cretins. __________________ create evolution

02-06-2004, 08:45 AM	#183 (permalink)
thedrake Banned Location: Iowa	I'll have you naked by the end of this thread!

02-06-2004, 12:58 PM	#185 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	Right. Some things will be changing as a result of audience reaction to programmed content. That's how it works. A very significant cultural threshold has been reached - people are speaking their minds - and cultural evolution may move unpredictably for once. __________________ create evolution

02-06-2004, 04:17 PM	#187 (permalink)
mingusfingers Psycho Location: uhhhh	Ah, that ring is freaky. __________________ Still Looking

02-06-2004, 05:01 PM	#188 (permalink)
jasonresno Banned	'Serious injury'? BS. She just wants money..

02-06-2004, 05:05 PM	#189 (permalink)
manupimp Upright	here in canada the pic ran in all newspapers. even the small metro newspaper had a huge shoot of her tit.! We like nudity here in canada we don't complain.!

02-06-2004, 08:18 PM	#190 (permalink)
ftoledo Upright	Asshat sues because of Janet Jackson's boobie. What do you think? We have more to worry about than the looking at one ugly boob. How about that asshat that is setting forth a class action suit because she was "injured" as a result of halftime show?

02-06-2004, 08:32 PM	#191 (permalink)
buclao Insane	what!? I refuse to believe that because he saw some tit for a second that he's going to be traumatized. How is he injured? Emotionally or physically? I really hope this gets thrown out

02-06-2004, 08:50 PM	#192 (permalink)
TheShadow Crazy Location: Vancouver, Canada	I think that this is bascially just another case of lawsuit addiction and/or stupidity - akin to sueing over being burned by hot coffee. __________________ You know that song that goes like...

02-06-2004, 11:00 PM	#194 (permalink)
forseti-6 Existentialist Location: New York City	I heard about this on the news. It's some LADY that is sueing, saying it caused her embarrasment and stress. Does she get embarrassed when she looks in the mirror? Some people will do anything for their 15 minutes. __________________ "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened." - Dr. Seuss

02-06-2004, 11:03 PM	#195 (permalink)
PoteMatic Registered User	The only thing that i see wrong with it is the fact that she had that massive nipple thing on lol and it makes me think it was planned cause who the hell wears those for fun.

02-09-2004, 07:38 AM	#196 (permalink)
jbswads Upright Location: IL	that was totally planned. she hasn't had a hit album in a while. let alone a song. and she needed some publicity. they said it was a "costume malfunction" how does clothing malfunction?

02-09-2004, 12:08 PM	#197 (permalink)
Grimlok Tilted Location: Central Illinois	She hasn't had a hit album because she hasn't put one out. Janet has never had an album flop and it cracks me up when people say she's a has been... If she were... you wouldn't be talking about her. And you'd all bang her in a second. __________________ Your future looks very very grim!

02-09-2004, 05:37 PM	#198 (permalink)
minyn young and in bloom Location: under the bodhi tree.... bling	i just like the nipple thingy rar? __________________ "Woke up this morning with a blue moon in my eye" ~A3 "woke up this morning" "Don't compromise yourself, you're all you've got." -Janis Joplin

02-09-2004, 06:12 PM	#200 (permalink)
Tophat665 Minion of the scaléd ones Location: Northeast Jesusland	I'd hit it.