legolas

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=mym2002

I just saw it and I thought I would share. I think it's pretty interesting to know what actually happens.

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moonstrucksoul

thanks for the refresher on where my dinner comes from. there must be a divine purpose for meat having some of the things we need in it though.

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sixate

I almost shed a tear..... OK, maybe not.

Looks like the kind of job I could actually enjoy... Beating, killing, and watching some worthless animals die. Sounds like fun to me. Where do I sign up?

Animals are food. And they taste good as hell. I have no problem with the way my meat gets to me.

Do people not realize that in order for life to go on something must die. Why do we not cry like babies over a lion eating an elk alive? We're at the top of the food chain, and we'll do whatever the hell we want.

Am I the only one who woulda loved to have had a bolt gun for the neighbors annoying dog?

Cynthetiq

YEAH! PETA propaganda

if it wasn't for cheaper production we'd all have some sort of livestock living nearby... and well i don't know about you, but lifestock doesn't smell all that nice

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shalafi

Not at all Sixate. Doesnt particularly bother me either. Also ive been to a handful of farms over the years, one i visited several times was a dairy farm next to my grandmas house, and never saw the kind of treatment they talk about on that video.

phredgreen

i joined PETA back in arizona:

People who Eat Tasty Animals.

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Lebell

Interesting.

While it would be foolish to say that there are not abuses in the meat production industry or room for improvement, it would also be foolish to take PETA at their word.

How do I know this?

Because I spent a year as a safety manager at a meat packing plant and I saw a modern slaughterhouse at work.

The animals were treated very well.

By law, they cannot be transported more than three hours and if they are at the slaughter house more than 5 hours, they must be fed and watered.

They are then killed quickly with a device that sends a metal spike into their brain. (Yes, occasionally this has to be done twice.)

Handlers may or may not use an electric prod to move them (they used a slapper/noise maker to herd them where I was), but they are NOT used to "torment" (PETA's word) the animal.

So after my experience, I have no problems continuing to be a meat eater.

And after watching that video I would support more factory farm reform...and trust PETA less than I did before (if that's possible).

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Fremen

I want a thick steak. sixate, get out your boltgun!

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Vespertine

Hmm...

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Holo

I would love our society to make it a "rite of passage" for each child to personally slaughter an animal for the purpose of consumption in adolescence. Then they would ahve no illusions as to the origin of where they're food comes from. I don't mind the PETA ppl as much as mind the ones that can't handle how their burger got into their hands. If you're not willing to swing the axe or what-have-you then you shouldn't be eating meat. JMO.

It's not cruelty...something has to die for us to eat it. Even vegetables.

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bonehed1

I love it......that is hilarious

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gabshu

Studying animal science, I run accross a lot of this stuff. I think the whole concept of slaughter houses is horrible, but I understand the reason for it and why the desings of these things keep improving over the years. What I always ask animal activists is whether they have vaccines because most of them are developed through experimentation on animals.

I really think PETA are no less than idiots in some of the things they do. For example, they let loose a bunch of rabits they were doing tests on at my school last year. Those rabits lated about 4 days until they were all run over. Defeats the purpose.

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sadatx

I agree with most of the people here. PETA loves using propaganda.

But they do have a point in that modern slaughter houses are just messes that need reformation. Not only for the animals sake but for ours.

Have you ever compared an organic free range chicken with a non-organic one (you'd probably have to go to two different supermarkets). The difference is night and day. The organic free range bird just looks 100 times healthier and, thus, better for you.

Go to some place like Britain and marvel at the better quality of their steak. Basically because they take a more traditional approach to slaughtering cows instead of trying to mechanize and sanitize every aspect of it.

I agree with PETA that slaughter houses are nasty places. But I don't think we should all go vegan.

Interesting side note: Has anyone read THINKING IN PICTURES by Temple Grandin? She's autistic and the book is basically about her life. She now works as a slaughter house designer (yes she designs them, she's a highly functioning autistic). She works with cattle like this because she's always felt a strong connection with animals. However, she believes that it's the natural order of things for humans to eat animals. So she's working to imporve the modern slaughterhouse.

skier

Stop trying to pull at my emotions PETA. Those video clips are not from regular farm/ factory farm operations. I've been to my friend's pig farm, and I can say that the pigs were not suffering, dying of "various diseases" waiting to go to a slaughterhouse.
Everything was sanitized, including myself, to avoid bringing infection to these pigs. Sickness is a pig farmer's worst nightmare. A transmittable disease can easily wipe out the whole farm of animals. The hormones injected into these animals to help them grow big is necessary, because a farm that doesn't will soon go bankrupt. The pressure is equally great for grain, fruit, and vegetable farms. Many of our crops could not survive in the wild. Key words in agriculture are "crop yield", "maturation time". Farmers need bigger, faster, just to survive. Also, if you are a vegetarian, consider yourself lucky to live in a society that is able to grow and transport crops around the world to give your body the necessary amino acids it needs to function. The truth is, Homo Sapiens Sapiens is an Omnivore. We have canines, evolved over many millenia for the purpose of tearing meat off bone in bite site pieces. Our versatility is not something we should be ashamed of. I see PETA almost as a "spoiled brat", a product of our technologically advanced civilization, and would soon see the truth of the world if the cushion was snatched out from under them.

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Bamrak

PETA sucks. I agree animals and anything that can feel pain and the like, should be treated well. But I find it hard to believe that those pictures are normal occurrences in farms. You have to assume that not everything is perfect, but some of that stuff just seems out of line.. If it's actually like that, why is PETA the only one showing it?

VF19

I live near the Central Valley in Cali, and there are like thousands of cows just standing around on the hills eating grass, drinking water, taking dumps, sleeping, having a good time. Not crowded, and they all look like they're healthy and well. I don't really see any chickens or pigs, but I think they don't need to be standing on pastures. On some farms I go to, they have like chicken coops and stables for the pigs.

I think all that processing is a East Coast thing

shoe

What the fuck.. thats disturbing as hell..

splck

Don't get me wrong, I'm no PETA fan at all, just telling you the way it is.
Those cows you see in the fields will go to a feedlot for several months and fed grain to fatten them up before they are done in. Rest assured those peaceful cows you see will end up in a large crowded feedlot then off to the slaughterhouse one day.

I prefer to get my meat the old fashiond way...I hunt it.

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tinfoil

PETA went out and found the worst examples anywhere to make this film so take this with a giant grain of salt.

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Fire

So, the general consensus is:

FUCK PETA

EAT COWS

well, I can pretty much get behind that- fuck- I used to live around cows, and that made it hard to get in tune with being sympathetic to them- ditto chickens, and pigs- (and, hell while we're at it, lets barbeque some of my neighbors) peta's stance is to me unrealistic- and a trifle idiotic- i mean, we are omnivores- why fight it- and, having lived near to many farms, and on one once, there was never an incident of abuse that I witnessed- does it happen, yea, I am quite certain, but not nearly as much as peta wants people to believe, and untill cows evolve thumbs I doubt we are going to see much action......

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viejo gringo

Born and raised on a farm---you helped with the fall butchering or you did not eat..hung the meat in the smoke house and rubbed the hams down with curing salt---cut a quarter inch of mold off of the bacon before cooking breakfast---that's just the way it was...

helped raise turkeys when I was 19---dumbest damn animal in the world---but awful good eating...

now we get Brazilian beef in deep south Texas---$3.05 a lb for T-bone steakes---had one last night..


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Raptor20561

whoa tat was pretty fucked up, but can a person get all their nutrition without eating meat/animals? i no a vegetarian and he look like he's in okay condition, lol. can anyone answer this for me? thanks (oh btw, getting all the nutrition without taking pills or something i mean)

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Baldrick

I'm a vegetarian by choice, but about the only meat I'd eat is cannibalizing a Peta member. I absolutely despise Peta. Not at all what they stand for, but more the way they go about their propaganda. It always amazes me when I see how many self righteous sheep (no pun intended) flock to this ridiculous organization, just so they can tell their friends how enlightened they are, and let them sleep better at night thinking how much better they are than the billions of "meat-eaters".

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irseg

Ooh thanks for the reminder, gotta marinate the T-bones I'm gonna cook up for dinner tomorrow.

Randerolf

I got a free College Activist handbook from PETA to give me a few ideas to use politically. They send me free stickers and address labels with stilly sayings on them like "Circuses are Not Fun for Elephants!" I think it's funny.

I work in one of the wold's best steakhouses. I serve cooked flesh all day long. Veal, Chicken, lobsters, whatever.

Does eating vegitarian kill more animals than being carnivoris?
http://www.maddox.xmission.com/grill.html

May I sugess a terrific book that talks about beef production? Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser. It was great. I have a friend that got his Dr. in Colorodo, so reading the book reminded me of his stories of taking a look in the slaughterhosues and everyhting. Entertaining and enlightening. I was reading the beef processing chaper when news broke of the Mad Cow in the US.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...980056-4161736

legolas

I've read all the maddox articles.
I do not know much about PETA, I just saw the video and thought it was interesting. I don't think what I saw in the video was right, but I still order the doublecheese burger at McDonalds. From what I'm hearing PETA uses propaganda severely. The question is, do you agree with PETA's goal of animal rights? If you do then I guess "the ends justifying the means" has no worth also.
Just some thoughts to comment on.

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ChrisJericho

When I was in middle school we went to a dairy farm. This was just a regular dairy farm not organic or anything. They walked us around the buldings showed the cows eating out of the troughs and being milked. Everything was fine, the cows could walk and weren't in any distress.

Of course if PETA is going to make a video they are going to pick the absolute WORST footage available of animal treatment.

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legolas

That was mentioned before, Chris. The question is, does the end justify the means and is the end even worth getting to?

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NbCal

The only thing good about PETA is when they get female celebrities to pose nude for their ads . .

Lebell

Not as PETA believes it.

PETA believes that every mouse, cow, lizard, monkey, etc. has equal worth to a human being and that research that saves human lives (insulin, aids, cancer, transplants, etc.) should be stopped because the animal dies in the process.

No, I don't agree with that.

But I do think that necessary experiments should be done as humanly as possible and that alternatives to animal research should be used when feasible.

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denim

Once I noticed it was PETA, I closed the window.

I recently saw a "Modern Marvels" "Cattle Ranches" on this topic. It was horrifying enough, without PETA's spin. We force-breed them, cut their balls off if they're not big enough, and generally treat them with zero respect. It's awful.

I'll have my steak medium, please. But I'm not proud of it.

World's King

My meat comes from my pants...


and some times it comes in my pants.

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legolas

Well said Lebell. I think you're in good company with that point of view.

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Being the son of a pork farmer I have to beg to differ. I see the pigs from beginning to end, and their lives are one of laying around and playing around until we ship them to the house. Their last few hours are probably cramped and whatnot, but other than that its not near as terrible as this made it out to be. I'm sorry but that footage of the "insane" pig chewing on the cage is crap. Pigs chew on everything. You walk in the field they'll chew on your shoes, leg, whatever is at hand. They ALWAYS chew on fences. Infections adn disease NEVER go untreated, my father is rushing to get medicine and a vet out there if need be whenever a problem looks like it might arise.

PETA is crap.

I like my steak medium well.

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BlueBongo

I saw an interesting, but funny, billboard today by the PETA... but I just kinda laughed. Was Col. Sanders holding a plucked chicken stabbing it and the sign said something to the effect of "FKC doing chickens wrong".. or something like that.

I'm not completely worried.. but I'm more upset about the madcow thing than animals being used for food. I know how animals are processed.. but we need to eat too.

Though as far as animal experimentation.. I have varying views on that.

PETA is alright.. but I dont know that their points are always valid as with the whole KFC thing.

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sadatx

I like mine rare. Or, sometimes, raw (Steak Tartare). If you could steak too much some parts become carcinogenic.

forseti-6

Mmm I sure love meat. And I'm sure PETA is in a bind since the Atkins diet is doing so well. Meat sales have been sky high.

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muckluck

I want to work at a slaughter house now. Anyone know if I need any training to get a job?

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Lebell

As a matter of fact, I do know.


No, you don't need any specialized training to get a job.

Of course, like most places, those with previous skills (boners and machine operators) make more money.

But you don't need alot of skill to pick fat or work the kill floor.

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