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jwoody · 01-15-2004, 07:28 AM

Story on BBC website

Cannabis 'led to shooting'

The two men had been arguing about a hedge
The shooting death of a man in Lincoln is proof that cannabis is not a harmless drug, a coroner has told an inquest.
Robert Dickenson, 52, was "drunk and drugged" when he gunned down his neighbour, George Wilson, 66, in the doorway of his Lincoln home after an argument over a hedge.

At an inquest on Thursday, the jury at Lincoln Crown Court ruled Mr Wilson had been unlawfully killed and Mr Dickenson had committed suicide, but added neglect in prison had contributed to his death.

Coroner Roger Atkinson said it was the worst case he had seen where cannabis had led to such a tragic event.

It is a drug which has an effect on the brain

Roger Atkinson
He said: "I would want to stress... that cannabis is not a harmless drug and this case demonstrates how devastating its effects can be."

Mr Dickenson was charged with murder, but hanged himself in his prison cell exactly a week after the shooting in June last year.

The jury at Lincoln Crown Court heard how the two men, who were neighbours in Webster Close, had been arguing in the street over a hedge which separated their gardens in the weeks prior to their deaths.

On 13 June, Mr Dickenson and his neighbour were seen fighting outside their home after Mr Dickenson claimed Mr Wilson had yanked a trimmer from him.

'Drunk on floor'

He claimed he was going to kill Mr Wilson before returning back to his house and grabbing a revolver.

He then shot Mr Wilson four times, leaving him with a fatal bullet wound to the head.

Mr Dickenson was later discovered by police lying on the kitchen floor in his home, where officers said it was clear he was drunk.

He was taken to hospital and later arrested over the death of Mr Wilson, but a week later was found hanging at Lincoln Prison.

Cannabis in attic

Mr Atkinson, summing up the case, said: "He had a considerable level of alcohol in his blood at the time of the incident.

"It is also the case that he was addicted to cannabis which he grew in his attic.

"There are people who suggest that cannabis is a harmless drug. That is not the case.

"It is a drug which has an effect on the brain and it's clearly had an effect on Robert Dickenson."

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So it wasn't the loaded revolver the man kept in his home.

Nor was it the fact that he was blind drunk.

It wasn't even the fact that his neighbour had pissed him off in an argument over the hedge.

It was the cannabis plants in the attic that made this man shoot his neighbour.

This is the sort of news being broadcast to the nation by our taxation funded state broadcaster. Impartiality; my arse.

Next year, when they come knocking on my door asking why haven't I got a TV licence, I'm going to present them with this bullshit and tell them to fuck off.

I'm not completely ignorant; I know cannabis has long and short term negative effects, however the way it is reported here perfectly highlights the high-level ignorance when it comes to my chosen vice.

feelgood · 01-15-2004, 08:13 AM

Insane plea?

Shokan · 01-15-2004, 08:21 AM

Thats fucking insane. Im high right now and all i wanna do is listen to led zeppelin and maybe take a hot shower
oh, and im drinking sunny D

jwoody · 01-15-2004, 08:27 AM

Careful, Shokan, I've heard three 'experts' on the radio today. All of them have confirmed that smoking weed turns you into psycopathic killing machine.

When asked how many incidents of cannabis-psychosis have been recorded in the U.K. the reply was "I'm sorry, there is no recorded data on that matter."

MSD · 01-15-2004, 08:50 AM

They also said he was drunk. Do any of these "experts" notice that?

Monre · 01-15-2004, 10:02 AM

All through the article it says he was drunk yet they blame it on Cannibas the hommie chillin drug.

BentNotTwisted · 01-15-2004, 10:21 AM

The Coroner is a complete idiot. How someone can say event a was caused by effect b when there is more than one effect happening is unfathomable to me. This guy's job is the proper diagnosis of the cause of death of any body that comes into his morgue and he spouts this crap? He should be fired for incompetence.

floydthebarber · 01-15-2004, 10:40 AM

What a load of crap.
Unfortunately, many people will believe this and use it in defending their ridiculous stand against pot.

water_boy1999 · 01-15-2004, 10:48 AM

I think it is kind of funny to read actually. All of the references to him being drunk and lying on the kitchen floor doesn't mean much when you have an attic full of cannibas. I just wish people would realize that weed isn't going anywhere anytime soon. People are going to continue to grow it and smoke it and legalizing it will only help the situation. This article is an example of what is wrong with journalism today.

Thanks for the post jwoody!

01-15-2004, 11:55 AM

It is a shame the public tolerates such bias views in the media. I wonder how many people today look back at Reefer Madness and think that the people beliving that shit must have been morons, yet accept all the lies that are being pumped out today.

The thing I have been seeing the most lately is that "Marijuana puts more people into treatment than all other illegal drugs combined"

What they don't tell you is that the majority of the people are in rehab because they have the choice of that, or prison for possesion charges.

Holo · 01-15-2004, 12:48 PM

Next thing you know we're gonna seee a remake of Reefer madness.

Ignorance: It's more harmful than we al thought.

bermuDa · 01-15-2004, 01:41 PM

I love that movie, holo! I was thinking the same thing when i read the article. fuckin hilarious!

The best part was how the article kept mentioning that the guy was drunk, but the cause of his shooting spree was obviously his addiction to herb.

Dano069 · 01-15-2004, 02:29 PM

Yeah, drunk people NEVER kill other people

sixate · 01-15-2004, 03:05 PM

Stupid story, but you're all kidding yourselfves if you don't think that drugs and alcohol are major factors in situations like this.

floydthebarber · 01-15-2004, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sixate
Stupid story, but you're all kidding yourselfves if you don't think that drugs and alcohol are major factors in situations like this.

I don't think anyone here thinks that alcohol isn't a major factor in situations like this, but I do think most have a problem linking pot use with a situation like this. The only reason pot kills is because of prohabition, not it's use.

WhoaitsZ · 01-15-2004, 03:56 PM

i don't do pot but have a strong desire to put the dipshit experts out of their misery..

krwlz · 01-15-2004, 03:57 PM

There is no way pot caused that. Hell, get me the mos angry Ive ever been, have me smoke a bowl.

Now all I can think is "wow, i ought to be fucking livid right now, but im not..."

Pot had little to no effect in this case. Id say alchohal was the main killer. That and someone who cant control his temper.

Kaos · 01-15-2004, 05:51 PM

I'm guessing the booze had more to do with his actions than the pot.

Vespertine · 01-15-2004, 06:01 PM

I'm thinking anybody that would gun their neighbor down over a hedge would be capable of murder even if they weren't high/drunk.

analog · 01-15-2004, 09:44 PM

"He had a considerable level of alcohol in his blood at the time of the incident. "

Gee. Alcohol NEVER provokes violence. EVER. Thousands of women AREN'T BEATEN every year due to alcoholism. Alcohol is NEVER responsible for random fights, especially not when people are already in a heated argument.

"It is also the case that he was addicted to cannabis which he grew in his attic."

Addiction is defined as doing anything to the extent or frequency as to cause interference with some aspect of school, work, or relationships (among a few other things). The label of addiction cannot be applied without researching the life of the subject in question, so to automatically say he was "addicted to cannabis" is false, and rediculous. Just finding a lot of THC in his blood does not mean he was addicted- he grew the shit, he smoked it all the time, but that doesn't mean it was an addiction or that it negatively affected his general demeanor.

[sarcasm]But, it MUST have been the pot, NOT the ALCOHOL, because alcohol would NEVER cause a person to become suddenly erratic, angry, OR violent.[/sarcasm]

Fucking moron, that coroner.

~springrain · 01-16-2004, 05:20 AM

"big brother" scare tactics. that's all...

jwoody · 01-16-2004, 05:46 AM

Nice picture ~springrain, I'll use it as a flyer for my next big partay.

flamingdog · 01-16-2004, 06:35 AM

jwoody - it's not the bbc you should be upset at, it's the coroner who said those things. all the bbc is doing is reporting on what he said. it wouldn't have been impartial for them to draw attention to the fact that he had a loaded gun, was pissed off his nuts or hated his neighbour, because then they would have been commenting on the coroner's statement. a news story's not the right place to do it. to be fair to the bbc, they're more impartial than most of the people who berate them fro their partiality.

jwoody · 01-16-2004, 07:28 AM

I'll stand by my right to protest the BBC for as long as I'm forced to pay for it.

The story should have been about a coroner, also paid for by you and me, who is incapable of doing his job.

Fly · 01-16-2004, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by floydthebarber
I don't think anyone here thinks that alcohol isn't a major factor in situations like this, but I do think most have a problem linking pot use with a situation like this. The only reason pot kills is because of prohabition, not it's use.

thank you mr.barber.

Dano069 · 01-16-2004, 07:49 AM

Thanks springrain, we could all use more weird orgies, wild parties and unleashed passions!

moonstrucksoul · 01-16-2004, 04:48 PM

gonna go "shoot up" some weed right now, and i will let you all know when i am about to go kill someone. - thanks for your support

KWSN · 01-16-2004, 05:23 PM

key words: DRUNK AND

Ever listen to the song "The Irony of it All" by the Streets? Classic case of what the drunks are doing being downplayed while weed users are looked down upon. Bullshit.

Quote:

"The Irony Of It All"

Hello, Hello. My names Terry and I'm a law abider
There's nothing I like more than getting fired up on beer
And when the weekends here I to exercise my right to get paralytic and fight
Good bloke fairly
But I get well leery when geezers look at me funny
Bounce 'em round like bunnies
I'm likely to cause mischief
Good clean grief you must believe and I ain't no thief.
Law abiding and all, all legal.
And who cares about my liver when it feels good
Wwhat you need is some real manhood.
Rasher Rasher Barney and Kasha putting peoples backs up.
Public disorder, I'll give you public disorder.
I down eight pints and run all over the place
Spit in the face of an officer
See if that bothers you cause I never broke a law in my life
Someday I'm gonna settle down with a wife
Come on lads lets have another fight

Eh hello. My names Tim and I'm a criminal,
In the eyes of society I need to be in jail
For the choice of herbs I inhale.
This ain't no wholesale operation
Just a few eighths and some Playstations my's vocation
I pose a threat to the nation
And down the station the police hold no patients
Let's talk space and time
I like to get deep sometimes and think about Einstein
And Carl Young And old Kung Fu movies I like to see
Pass the hydrator please
Yeah I'm floating on thin air.
Going to Amsterdam in the New Year - top gear there
Cause I taker pride in my hobby
Home made bongs using my engineering degree
Dear Leaders, please legalise weed for these reasons.

Like I was saying to him.
I told him: "Top with me and you won't leave."
So I smacked him in the head and downed another Carling
Bada Bada Bing for the lad's night.
Mad fight, his face's a sad sight.
Vodka and Snake Bite.
Going on like a right geez, he's a twat,
Shouldn't have looked at me like that.
Anyway I'm an upstanding citizen
If a war came along I'd be on the front line with em.
Can't stand crime either them hooligans on heroin.
Drugs and criminals those thugs on the penny coloured will be the downfall of society
I've got all the anger pent up inside of me.

You know I don't see why I should be the criminal
How can something with no recorded fatalities be illegal
And how many deaths are there per year from alcohol
I just completed Gran Tourismo on the hardest setting
We pose no threat on my settee
Ooh the pizza's here will someone let him in please
"We didn't order chicken, Not a problem we'll pick it out
I doubt they meant to mess us about
After all we're all adults not louts."
As I was saying, we're friendly peaceful people
We're not the ones out there causing trouble.
We just sit in this hazy bubble with our quarters
Discussing how beautiful Gail Porter is.
MTV, BBC 2, Channel 4 is on until six in the morning.
Then at six in the morning the sun dawns and it's my bedtime.

Causing trouble, your stinking rabble
Boys saying I'm the lad who's spoiling it
You're on drugs it really bugs me when people try and tell me I'm a thug
Just for getting drunk
I like getting drunk
Cause I'm an upstanding citizen
If a war came along I'd be on the front line with em.

Now Terry you're repeating yourself
But that's okay drunk people can't help that.
A chemical reaction inside your brain causes you to forget what you're saying.

What. I know exactly what I'm saying
I'm perfectly sane
You stinking student lameo
Go get a job and stop robbing us of our taxes.

Err, well actually according to research
Government funding for further education pales in insignificance
When compared to how much they spend on repairing
Leery drunk people at the weekend
In casualty wards all over the land.

Why you cheeky little swine come here
I'm gonna batter you. Come here.

01-15-2004, 07:28 AM	#1 (permalink)
jwoody Shackle Me Not Location: Newcastle - England.	Cannabis made a man shoot his neighbour then kill himself in prison. Story on BBC website Cannabis 'led to shooting' The two men had been arguing about a hedge The shooting death of a man in Lincoln is proof that cannabis is not a harmless drug, a coroner has told an inquest. Robert Dickenson, 52, was "drunk and drugged" when he gunned down his neighbour, George Wilson, 66, in the doorway of his Lincoln home after an argument over a hedge. At an inquest on Thursday, the jury at Lincoln Crown Court ruled Mr Wilson had been unlawfully killed and Mr Dickenson had committed suicide, but added neglect in prison had contributed to his death. Coroner Roger Atkinson said it was the worst case he had seen where cannabis had led to such a tragic event. It is a drug which has an effect on the brain Roger Atkinson He said: "I would want to stress... that cannabis is not a harmless drug and this case demonstrates how devastating its effects can be." Mr Dickenson was charged with murder, but hanged himself in his prison cell exactly a week after the shooting in June last year. The jury at Lincoln Crown Court heard how the two men, who were neighbours in Webster Close, had been arguing in the street over a hedge which separated their gardens in the weeks prior to their deaths. On 13 June, Mr Dickenson and his neighbour were seen fighting outside their home after Mr Dickenson claimed Mr Wilson had yanked a trimmer from him. 'Drunk on floor' He claimed he was going to kill Mr Wilson before returning back to his house and grabbing a revolver. He then shot Mr Wilson four times, leaving him with a fatal bullet wound to the head. Mr Dickenson was later discovered by police lying on the kitchen floor in his home, where officers said it was clear he was drunk. He was taken to hospital and later arrested over the death of Mr Wilson, but a week later was found hanging at Lincoln Prison. Cannabis in attic Mr Atkinson, summing up the case, said: "He had a considerable level of alcohol in his blood at the time of the incident. "It is also the case that he was addicted to cannabis which he grew in his attic. "There are people who suggest that cannabis is a harmless drug. That is not the case. "It is a drug which has an effect on the brain and it's clearly had an effect on Robert Dickenson." ---------------- So it wasn't the loaded revolver the man kept in his home. Nor was it the fact that he was blind drunk. It wasn't even the fact that his neighbour had pissed him off in an argument over the hedge. It was the cannabis plants in the attic that made this man shoot his neighbour. This is the sort of news being broadcast to the nation by our taxation funded state broadcaster. Impartiality; my arse. Next year, when they come knocking on my door asking why haven't I got a TV licence, I'm going to present them with this bullshit and tell them to fuck off. I'm not completely ignorant; I know cannabis has long and short term negative effects, however the way it is reported here perfectly highlights the high-level ignorance when it comes to my chosen vice.

01-15-2004, 08:13 AM	#2 (permalink)
feelgood Free Mars! Location: I dunno, there's white people around me saying "eh" all the time	Insane plea? __________________ Looking out the window, that's an act of war. Staring at my shoes, that's an act of war. Committing an act of war? Oh you better believe that's an act of war

01-15-2004, 08:21 AM	#3 (permalink)
Shokan Addict Location: Canada	Thats fucking insane. Im high right now and all i wanna do is listen to led zeppelin and maybe take a hot shower oh, and im drinking sunny D __________________ Legalize it.

01-15-2004, 08:27 AM	#4 (permalink)
jwoody Shackle Me Not Location: Newcastle - England.	Careful, Shokan, I've heard three 'experts' on the radio today. All of them have confirmed that smoking weed turns you into psycopathic killing machine. When asked how many incidents of cannabis-psychosis have been recorded in the U.K. the reply was "I'm sorry, there is no recorded data on that matter." __________________ .

01-15-2004, 10:21 AM	#7 (permalink)
BentNotTwisted Optimistic Skeptic Location: Midway between a Beehive and Centennial	The Coroner is a complete idiot. How someone can say event a was caused by effect b when there is more than one effect happening is unfathomable to me. This guy's job is the proper diagnosis of the cause of death of any body that comes into his morgue and he spouts this crap? He should be fired for incompetence. __________________ IS THAT IT ???!!! Do you even know what 'it' is? When the last man dies for just words that he said... We Shall Be Free

01-15-2004, 08:50 AM	#5 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	They also said he was drunk. Do any of these "experts" notice that?

01-15-2004, 10:02 AM	#6 (permalink)
Monre Banned	All through the article it says he was drunk yet they blame it on Cannibas the hommie chillin drug.

01-15-2004, 10:40 AM	#8 (permalink)
floydthebarber Insane Location: ?	What a load of crap. Unfortunately, many people will believe this and use it in defending their ridiculous stand against pot. __________________ wish you were here

01-15-2004, 10:48 AM	#9 (permalink)
water_boy1999 Fly em straight! Location: Above and Beyond	I think it is kind of funny to read actually. All of the references to him being drunk and lying on the kitchen floor doesn't mean much when you have an attic full of cannibas. I just wish people would realize that weed isn't going anywhere anytime soon. People are going to continue to grow it and smoke it and legalizing it will only help the situation. This article is an example of what is wrong with journalism today. Thanks for the post jwoody! __________________ Doh!!!! -Homer Simpson

01-15-2004, 11:55 AM	#10 (permalink)
mepitans Guest	It is a shame the public tolerates such bias views in the media. I wonder how many people today look back at Reefer Madness and think that the people beliving that shit must have been morons, yet accept all the lies that are being pumped out today. The thing I have been seeing the most lately is that "Marijuana puts more people into treatment than all other illegal drugs combined" What they don't tell you is that the majority of the people are in rehab because they have the choice of that, or prison for possesion charges.

01-15-2004, 12:48 PM	#11 (permalink)
Holo A Real American	Next thing you know we're gonna seee a remake of Reefer madness. Ignorance: It's more harmful than we al thought. __________________ I happen to like the words "fuck", "cock", "pussy", "tits", "cunt", "twat", "shit" and even "bitch". As long as I am not using them to describe you, don't go telling me whether or not I can/should use them...that is, if you want me to continue refraining from using them to describe you. ~Prince

01-15-2004, 01:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
bermuDa don't ignore this--> Location: CA	I love that movie, holo! I was thinking the same thing when i read the article. fuckin hilarious! The best part was how the article kept mentioning that the guy was drunk, but the cause of his shooting spree was obviously his addiction to herb. __________________ I am the very model of a moderator gentleman.

01-15-2004, 02:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
Dano069 is Nucking Futs! Location: On the edge of sanity	Yeah, drunk people NEVER kill other people __________________ I may look attentive, but I'm taking peeks down your blouse faster than the human eye can follow.

01-15-2004, 03:05 PM	#14 (permalink)
sixate Registered User Location: Somewhere in Ohio	Stupid story, but you're all kidding yourselfves if you don't think that drugs and alcohol are major factors in situations like this.

01-15-2004, 03:56 PM	#16 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	i don't do pot but have a strong desire to put the dipshit experts out of their misery..

01-15-2004, 03:57 PM	#17 (permalink)
krwlz Fledgling Dead Head Location: Clarkson U.	There is no way pot caused that. Hell, get me the mos angry Ive ever been, have me smoke a bowl. Now all I can think is "wow, i ought to be fucking livid right now, but im not..." Pot had little to no effect in this case. Id say alchohal was the main killer. That and someone who cant control his temper.

01-15-2004, 05:51 PM	#18 (permalink)
Kaos Ssssssssss Location: Ontario	I'm guessing the booze had more to do with his actions than the pot.

01-15-2004, 06:01 PM	#19 (permalink)
Vespertine Tilted Location: Coral Springs, Florida	I'm thinking anybody that would gun their neighbor down over a hedge would be capable of murder even if they weren't high/drunk.

01-15-2004, 09:44 PM	#20 (permalink)
analog Banned	"He had a considerable level of alcohol in his blood at the time of the incident. " Gee. Alcohol NEVER provokes violence. EVER. Thousands of women AREN'T BEATEN every year due to alcoholism. Alcohol is NEVER responsible for random fights, especially not when people are already in a heated argument. "It is also the case that he was addicted to cannabis which he grew in his attic." Addiction is defined as doing anything to the extent or frequency as to cause interference with some aspect of school, work, or relationships (among a few other things). The label of addiction cannot be applied without researching the life of the subject in question, so to automatically say he was "addicted to cannabis" is false, and rediculous. Just finding a lot of THC in his blood does not mean he was addicted- he grew the shit, he smoked it all the time, but that doesn't mean it was an addiction or that it negatively affected his general demeanor. [sarcasm]But, it MUST have been the pot, NOT the ALCOHOL, because alcohol would NEVER cause a person to become suddenly erratic, angry, OR violent.[/sarcasm] Fucking moron, that coroner.

01-16-2004, 05:20 AM	#21 (permalink)
~springrain Banned Location: central USA	"big brother" scare tactics. that's all...

01-16-2004, 05:46 AM	#22 (permalink)
jwoody Shackle Me Not Location: Newcastle - England.	Nice picture ~springrain, I'll use it as a flyer for my next big partay. __________________ .

01-16-2004, 06:35 AM	#23 (permalink)
flamingdog Still fighting it.	jwoody - it's not the bbc you should be upset at, it's the coroner who said those things. all the bbc is doing is reporting on what he said. it wouldn't have been impartial for them to draw attention to the fact that he had a loaded gun, was pissed off his nuts or hated his neighbour, because then they would have been commenting on the coroner's statement. a news story's not the right place to do it. to be fair to the bbc, they're more impartial than most of the people who berate them fro their partiality.

01-16-2004, 07:28 AM	#24 (permalink)
jwoody Shackle Me Not Location: Newcastle - England.	I'll stand by my right to protest the BBC for as long as I'm forced to pay for it. The story should have been about a coroner, also paid for by you and me, who is incapable of doing his job. __________________ .

01-16-2004, 07:49 AM	#26 (permalink)
Dano069 is Nucking Futs! Location: On the edge of sanity	Thanks springrain, we could all use more weird orgies, wild parties and unleashed passions! __________________ I may look attentive, but I'm taking peeks down your blouse faster than the human eye can follow.

01-16-2004, 04:48 PM	#27 (permalink)
moonstrucksoul hovering in the distance Location: the land of milk and honey	gonna go "shoot up" some weed right now, and i will let you all know when i am about to go kill someone. - thanks for your support __________________ no signature required