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JoeyB 05-01-2003 11:34 AM

Playboy...clean?
 
Due to the popularity of magazine's like Maxim and Stuff, Playboy is planning changes from format and color, to less nudity.

Yes, less nudity.

Questions:

Do you currently read Playboy?

Would you read it with more content and less photos??

sixate 05-01-2003 11:40 AM

How can there possibly be less nudity? There's only 10 pages to look at now. The death of Playboy is near.

Mad_Gecko 05-01-2003 11:46 AM

Playboy went out in my teens.. Its too highbrow and pretentious for me. If I want current events I'll read FT, and Economist, If I want articles that pertain to me, Playboy ain't it.

Now I'm a loaded man. Although to be fair thats died a bit since the early issues.

Damn, I'll be buying "Home & Country" soon.... or worse IMHO GQ

warrrreagl 05-01-2003 11:49 AM

The only Playboys I look at are in my late father-in-law's collection (he had every one from the first one until his death in 1986). It's interesting to note the changes in allowable nudity over those thirty years.

Can anybody explain the changes? Have there been court cases to justify the changes?

Ashton 05-01-2003 01:31 PM

I have a subscription to Playboy..... except it was some promotional offer for $10, I usually just flip through it looking at all the neat junk and reading a few things.... it's pretty boring, I won't resubscribe. My favorite Girlie magazine is FOX.... Mmmmm, FOX :)

The_Dude 05-01-2003 01:43 PM

hmmmm, i wish they were more.

they do have some great shots.

Lebell 05-01-2003 02:18 PM

I rarely read Playboy any more. There isn't one thing I can point too either.

Sad, since I grew up Heff and killed many a kitten looking at his creation.

Halx 05-01-2003 02:22 PM

After asking a playboy model (she was in the same room with me.. go figure) I guess it's confirmed that Playboy has hired a bunch of ex-Maxim employees.

Emotion 05-01-2003 03:20 PM

playboy is just mostly ads now anyway

Cynthetiq 05-01-2003 05:37 PM

hmmph... i didn't pick it up because there wasn't enough pink... I guess it's going to be picked up even less...

Scorpio 05-01-2003 05:39 PM

My mistake I thought playboy was the name for a catalog of adds.
Next they will change the name to be more PC like playperson!

davidc209 05-01-2003 09:11 PM

Yes, I subscribe to playboy. I get a 12 month subscription for $12. Even if it is mostly ads, at this price, why not??? I do enjoy many of the pictorials, and contrary to most girls beliefs... I *DO* read it mostly for the articles. If I want porn, I go to TFP.

billege 05-02-2003 05:47 AM

Playboy is about useless. They are always repeating the same soapbox articles about weed, guns, and such. Their idea of an attractive woman seems to be a silicone stuffed, blonde, white girl. In the year I had a subsrciption that's almost all I saw. I was actually offended at the lack of variety and the implied racism in their refusal to show ethnic women. I think that magazine needs some serious help, and Maxim, FHM, and Details have a HUGE head start on what men want to read. I can't see Playboy coming back.

The only reason to buy that near waste of paper is when they do manage to get some star naked on camera. Otherwise, they are useless.

Binder 05-03-2003 05:15 PM

playboy-lite, now people really will buy it just to read the articles.

silenced 05-03-2003 05:35 PM

the only thing i think keeping it alive now is the use of highly known females, ie celebrities and what not otherwise its boring

reconmike 05-03-2003 05:38 PM

It has always been a "fluff' type mens magazine, some of the women are smokin hot but alittle too much airbrush. The end is near.

suviko 05-03-2003 05:47 PM

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billege 05-03-2003 06:00 PM

I think it's too bad the execs at playboy don't get to read discussion like this. Here we are trashing their mag, free of charge. Later playboy is going to be paying to do research to answer the question asked by this thread.

Funny isn't it?

ARTelevision 05-03-2003 06:26 PM

I got a year's free sub to PB last year.
I opened the first one and flipped through it and stopped at nothing.
I never opened 'em after that and just gave em to people.

in college, I used to read it cover to cover.
It's either me or the mag that has changed.

Mutant X 05-03-2003 07:03 PM

I don't bother with that magazine anymore. It's pretty much a waste of time.

Fallon 05-03-2003 07:51 PM

I remember the time like 4 or 5 years ago when I'd read it, and look at the porn, but I've moved on to bigger and better things. It's supposed to be a "high class" mans magazine according to one of my teachers a few years back. Dunno about that. Just a waste now.

Frosstbyte 05-03-2003 09:00 PM

I think Playboy's biggest selling point is the fact that they get celebrities to get naked. I just kind of wait around for the hot famous/quasi-famous girls to show up. The other ones are definitely hot, but nothing to get hugely excited about. I think they're making a mistake.

troit 05-03-2003 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tantalizer
That's probably because Heff is getting to old to carry on. Whoever will take his place when he croaks? Hmm... I nominate Hal! :D
His daughter pretty much runs the company now... I think reducing the amount of nudity is a bad move. The only reason the other mags are doing that much better is because they are targeting a younger market -- one that can purchase their magazine before their 18th birthday...Playboy just needs to reevaluate their marketing campaign.

Halx 05-03-2003 09:33 PM

There's still hustler and penthouse! God bless.

Sun Tzu 05-03-2003 09:35 PM

That will be a big mistake. Hugh needs to fire some of his advisers.

james t kirk 05-04-2003 11:53 AM

My idea of a great looking woman and hefner's idea of a great looking woman are two different things.

He likes the big titted phonies with BIG, no ENORMOUS fucking hair everywhere. Big hair, big hairspray soaked big hair, with wet lips, slightly pursed or that female video vixen look. Glassy blue eyes, and the same old poses over and over and over again.

blech.

Take anna nicole smith. She was hef's wet dream at one time. And the female wrestlers with the big fake tits. I had a subscription once, and after the 3'rd profile of "Sable" in 12 months, i dropped it like a lead ballon.

That and the idiotic profile, "What kind of man reads playboy" with these goofie looking idiots in polo shirts and golf carts with fat blonds on their arms.

Yech.

I like the nice clean look of some of the women on the tilted formum, slim, natural tits, not a ton of makeup, maybe laying on an old couch, or out in a field.

Hardly professional.

JoeyB 05-04-2003 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by warrrreagl

Have there been court cases to justify the changes?


To the best of my knowledge, this has nothing to do with legal issues, decency or morality. As in most cases, it's money.

Maxim, Stuff and FHM are doing quite well. As many of these posts indicate, Playboy has slowly lost the interest of many men. If you check out the most recent issue (with the Joe Millionaire woman on the cover), the graphics look very much like Maxim.

They won't be going totally clean and they won't be covering up the women to the point of Maxim's bikini pics, but they're just going to focus a lot more energy on stories, interviews, in-depth articles....etc.

There was probably only three ways to go.


1--Nothing changes. Obviously, the result is...nothing changes.

2--Go more hardcore. It appeals to the hardcore audience, but then you compete with Hustler, Penthouse, Club (go ahead and name your favorite)

3--Clean up a bit. It's a slightly broader audience. Many people can't make the leap to actual nudity and either their wife, girlfriend, mom or someone else doesn't give them grief for buying a magazine like Maxim. I guess Playboy is going for a piece of that audience.


Time...and the bottom line will tell.

Macheath 05-05-2003 12:33 AM

Yeah, it seems pretty sad now, but that shouldn't take away from all of the interesting stuff that Hef did with the magazine (and the organization) in the 60s and 70s.

james t kirk 05-05-2003 07:17 PM

Why not do both.

Playboy and Playlittleboy (T and A)

TheDave87 05-05-2003 07:27 PM

its boring as all hell as it is, so unless they make it something to do with naked chicks and technology, theyre fucked

myMHz 05-06-2003 12:03 AM

I've been reading/looking at Playboy for years. That was one of the biggest things for me when I turned 18 I could buy my own Playboy mags and not have to look at my buddies issues (that he stole from his Dad) I've had a subscription for a long time but I let it run out a couple of years ago. They just don't talk to me anymore. The fiction is still pretty good but not much else. The women are as beautiful as they come but even that can't keep me paying for Playboy anymore.

pangavan 05-06-2003 01:44 AM

havent read playboy in years

Empty_One 05-06-2003 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JoeyB

There was probably only three ways to go.


1--Nothing changes. Obviously, the result is...nothing changes.

2--Go more hardcore. It appeals to the hardcore audience, but then you compete with Hustler, Penthouse, Club (go ahead and name your favorite)

3--Clean up a bit. It's a slightly broader audience. Many people can't make the leap to actual nudity and either their wife, girlfriend, mom or someone else doesn't give them grief for buying a magazine like Maxim. I guess Playboy is going for a piece of that audience.


Time...and the bottom line will tell.

Why not do a combination of number one, but still have better articles, interviews, and cleaning up of their editorial staff?

I used to read the mag religiously. I think what they stood for in the 90's was right on: Men's rights, Father's rights, relaxation of drug laws, anti-censorship articles, and interviewing stars.

At some point along the line, they changed a little, got a little more politically correct, and used more air-brushing than I have ever seen.

To fix themselves, they have to do three things:

Get better looking, more girl next door type of woman, who aren't afraid to go infront of the camera with no airbrushing. Not more hardcore, just more classically beautiful women.

Better articles, about men's issues. Go back to having interesting, sexy short stories by famous authors, and interview people who really matter, not Joe Sitcom.

Figure out who you are as a magazine. Your market is not those under 18, so don't act like it. Find a better balance between young and hip, and old and stuffy, you can't be both.

ratbastid 05-06-2003 04:01 PM

I had a subscription in college. It was entertaining, pissed off the right people, and I enjoyed that my girlfriend (now my wife) liked it too.

I gave it up only a couple years ago, when I realized that I'm now older than their target audience, and that magazine was less and less relevant to me.

I think there was ony one really attention-getting pictorial, and that was Jenny McCarthy's original appearance. THAT was something. Apart from that, ennnh.

Fob_Magi 05-06-2003 05:27 PM

No, I never much cared for playboy... as far as the nudity, if I want softcore Hegre Archives is a much better investment.. if I want articles I'll stick with Maxim for humor and "man" stuff, IEEE Spectrum for Tech stuff and BBC.com for news/politics.

Slims 05-06-2003 05:38 PM

I read playboy for that articles and I go online when I want pictures.
I doubt the magazine will lose any ground by reducing the nudity. They simply can't compete with the internet/lad mags anymore so they have to adopt a new format if they want to survive.

Sensei 05-29-2003 09:57 AM

The problem with Playboy is their image problem. Guys know that it's totally softcore and tame while women are mostly oblivious to this fact and regard it as dirty porn. Because PC corporations share this view with women, some advertisers shy away from buying an ad and supermarkets refuse to carry the title. Maxim and FHM have filled this spot valliantly and is laughing all the way to the bank. To choose from the above, three options, now were very appealing but we'll see how well Playboy gets along with Option #1.

mtsgsd 05-29-2003 10:14 AM

They may as well go for it. I stopped reading it out of boredom a loonng time ago. Penthouse used to be my fav, but now they like to show urinating women all the time. Not my kinda thing. I just don't bother anymore.

oneofmanymen 05-29-2003 10:15 AM

I saw warrrreagl post and was surprised by the fact that playboy ever really showed any spread shots. Even the couple that I have picked up in the last few years have been very tame. Barely more in MHO than Maxium and Stuff etc...
If they cut out what they already have very little of...why bother...call it quits...but then again isnt his daughter running the mag now? Could that be it? I get the two other mags mentioned here (Maxium and Stuff) for free thanks to the good old internet....playboy? why bother....I can find things that more directly stimulate me on the net rather than fake photshoped women that wouldnt exist on a perfect planet earth...and besides...I am not a big tit man anyways..

oomm

MacGnG 05-29-2003 08:45 PM

WHAT IS THE POINT OF LESS NUDITY! no their magazine is fine!

the only reason people like maxim, etc.. is because u can buy it with out being embarrased and its cheaper, and u dont have to be 18

the thing thats good about playboy is that it has nudity as well as all the articles that are usefull and interesting


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