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Old 01-09-2004, 03:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Blowed up. (Apache footage)

Warning - This video is not for the weak hearted, 3 people a tractor and a truck get rocked by an Apache cannon.

http://www.missouri.edu/~bam8cd/apache.mpeg

Not sure who the guys are or what they're doing (besides exploding), but the person who I got it from said it looks like insurgents trying to steal equipment.

Good job boys.
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Old 01-09-2004, 04:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 01-09-2004, 04:18 PM   #3 (permalink)
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With footage like that, you'd almost think that American troops aren't at risk in Iraq, and yet, I'm hard pressed to remember that there are real soldiers risking their lives everyday. God bless.
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Old 01-09-2004, 04:19 PM   #4 (permalink)
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What's interesting is they didn't even know they were in the dudes target until he plastered them to the ground. Very cool machines.
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Old 01-09-2004, 04:33 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Old 01-09-2004, 05:08 PM   #6 (permalink)
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u get killed for stealing? i think that was a lil too harsh. they didnt even have a chance to surrender!
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Old 01-09-2004, 06:49 PM   #7 (permalink)
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u get killed for stealing? i think that was a lil too harsh. they didnt even have a chance to surrender!
Fuck 'em, says I. You should know better than to steal shit when you are in a war zone/occupied territory. I think that will serve as a good lesson for any other thieving maggots out there.
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Old 01-09-2004, 07:13 PM   #8 (permalink)
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That was very interseting, thanks for sharing
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Old 01-09-2004, 09:05 PM   #9 (permalink)
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u get killed for stealing? i think that was a lil too harsh. they didnt even have a chance to surrender!
They're soldiers. If you MIGHT be able to hurt them, they do you first. There's no second chance and nothing more important than protecting their own ass. Screw up and the enemy kills them. Take your choice. I don't fault them at all: they survived and the other guy didn't. Being in a war zone is dangerous.

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Old 01-09-2004, 09:29 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Old 01-09-2004, 09:52 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 01-09-2004, 10:16 PM   #12 (permalink)
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That's some crazy stuff right there.
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Old 01-09-2004, 10:24 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Excellent post.
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Old 01-09-2004, 10:33 PM   #14 (permalink)
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wow. and how is it our guys are getting killed over there? while we're just shooting fish in a barrel? jeez.
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Old 01-09-2004, 10:39 PM   #15 (permalink)
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20mm Cannon > them
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Old 01-09-2004, 11:08 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Old 01-09-2004, 11:25 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Awesome! Watching people getting killed is great! (as long as they're not American! right?) God bless those brave killers
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Old 01-09-2004, 11:58 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I am proud of our armed forces. What we are doing is not simple and in some cases messy but the iraqi people deserve the right to live free of an oppressive regime.

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Old 01-10-2004, 12:00 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Awesome! Watching people getting killed is great! (as long as they're not American! right?) God bless those brave killers
Indeed, what they did was great. Glad to hear your support.
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Old 01-10-2004, 12:07 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Old 01-10-2004, 12:10 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Ashton the Apache has a 20mm chain-fed cannon, not 50cal.

Oh, thanks for your support ninety, the men in uniform really appreciate it.
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Old 01-10-2004, 12:28 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Actually, I think its a 30mm M-230. What I am left wondering is what the guy next to the tractor is frantically trying to uncover. Possibly an RPG? If you look closely you can see him pulling a cover off of something. I dont think this was just a couple hoodlums trying to steal a tractor.
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Old 01-10-2004, 12:47 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I didn't notice that. He's definately going for something, didn't get it out in time for us to see what it was though.
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Old 01-10-2004, 01:33 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Old 01-10-2004, 01:56 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Mr.ninety09: That kinda talk should be in the politics forum. Lets keep this area civil.
Mr.zfleebin: If you don't like my post, report it. You're not a moderator, so don't tell me what I can or can't say. Thank you.
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Old 01-10-2004, 03:33 PM   #26 (permalink)
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i agree. a great man once said: "I may not agree with what you say, but i will defend with my life your right to say it".

This is an graphic clip exemplifying what much of the war in iraq is like. To me, it is thought provoking and deserves more comments than the "wow good job soldiers" variety.

I personally think that the soldiers here were justified in taking those men out whether they are insurgents/rebels/geurilla fighters or farmers/starving citizens/faithful capatilists. In a war a soldier must make decisions that directly or indirectly affect the lives of so many people. If the soldiers in the apache did not shoot these men, could they have continued on to a crowded plaza and set off a bomb? Attacked the fragile growing infrastructure of the new iraq? The decision to shoot by these soldiers was not an easy one by any means, and i'm sure must have took much courage. The actions of the (now) dead men led these soldiers to believe that the three guys were enemies and were to be dealt with accordingly. Or perhaps they had recieved orders to attack this target. In any case, there should be a certain amount of trust given to the government that we, the people created and currently support to carry out the wishes of the majority.
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Old 01-10-2004, 07:50 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Yeah, they deserved to die, what with that truck full of chemical weapons and nukes and all! And all those close ties to Al Qaeda.
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Old 01-10-2004, 08:05 PM   #28 (permalink)
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ninety09: I dont know how you took what I said as me telling you what you can or cant say but ill take back what I said.

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Old 01-10-2004, 08:41 PM   #29 (permalink)
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This somehow left the realm of an intelligent discussion and entered into a flame war. Send me a PM if you want to flame me ( I will promptly delete it, but it should make you feel better I guess ). I'm asking a couple of fellow tfp'ers to please take any name calling arguments to PM and try to keep public postings a little more mature than name calling and sarcastic flaming.
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Old 01-10-2004, 08:55 PM   #30 (permalink)
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This somehow left the realm of an intelligent discussion and entered into a flame war. ... I'm asking a couple of fellow tfp'ers to please take any name calling arguments to PM and try to keep public postings a little more mature than name calling and sarcastic flaming.
Rad those words as if they came from me. Stop the insults and keep it civil. I don't want to have to close this thread, but I will if necessary.
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Old 01-10-2004, 09:12 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I hesitate to post in this thread, because of the politics involved. What I will add is that I felt nothing knowing that those were real people being shot down by a highly-skilled gunner, because of the sheer amount of exposure to FPS games that are highly realistic.
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Old 01-11-2004, 08:29 AM   #32 (permalink)
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This is sad, that's all I have to say about it...
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Old 01-11-2004, 09:58 AM   #33 (permalink)
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The problem is we don't have any of the context. Given that they're our soldiers doing the shooting, we should assume they had good cause.
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Old 01-11-2004, 10:03 AM   #34 (permalink)
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All I have to say is that it gives new meaning to the Shoot first ask questions later saying. I personally think that there could have been a better way of handling it. Not to mention if they were American machinces they were trying to steal they might as well have let them have them seeing they blew them away anyways.
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Old 01-11-2004, 05:11 PM   #35 (permalink)
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owned, that was crazy, you could see splatter from the guys
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Old 01-11-2004, 07:45 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Does anybody know how this type of video managed to find its way to the public domain? It strikes me as very odd if this type of material was accidentally leaked...
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Old 01-11-2004, 07:56 PM   #37 (permalink)
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From the same website as the video...

Where can I play this game? It looks like a hoot!
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Old 01-11-2004, 10:10 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Did you try..... station.com?
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Old 01-12-2004, 06:56 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Yeah, its not on there as far as I could tell, MrFlux.
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Old 01-12-2004, 07:22 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Yeah, they deserved to die, what with that truck full of chemical weapons and nukes and all! And all those close ties to Al Qaeda.
I hope that was said with a great deal of sarcasm.

This is the second such video Ive seen. The other had audio. It does give the whole thing a sense of reality.
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