Sleepyjack

Quite often, under sorta hyperthetical situations or maybe relatively tense situations guys always want to be the man or some big hot-shot fighter.

eg for a vague situation of tension:
"Oh, if it was me then i would've knocked him out"

Basically a lot of testosterone flying about. And resolution to any situation seems to go to violence and people getting knocked out.

how come violence is always the first response?

I mean, i quite often get cuaght saying the same stupid shit "oh i'd knock him out" "i am gonna kick his ass" and other bullshit threats like that, but i often wonder if i could? ( i mainly talk and intimidate others ) In that i am athletic and all and stronger than a lot of other people, but when it comes to fighting etc it's a bit different?

I am sure any one with any sorta martial arts or combat knowledge would be able to beat me rather easily
That's why it suprises me when people seem to hypothetically think they're so good at fighting. Although i am also hypothetically making assumptions about my own fighting ability, i am sure i wouldn't be too good at it Maybe i'd be really good?

my friend was also telling me about his (and mine) friend whose a boxer and a bit smaller than most others. Anyway, outside a club, a bigger guy picked a fight with him and just wimped out after he got hit a few times in the head.

I think i have really been against fighting, ever since we got in a fight outside of a club. Basically we were jsut singing along with this busker. Unbeknownst to me, a friends started yakking just down by the wall on the street and a goup of guys, passing by were giving him shit about it. I was still caught up in the song etc and the rest of my other friends were tlaking back, standard guy to guy threats and intimidation.

THen a guy swang a punch on one of my friends and some others threw a punch as well, then they all ran off. once they were down the street a bit they threw a bottle as well, which hit my other friend. Of course, in the 20 seconds that this happened, i was still up the street with the busker not knowing what had happened. Thats when you get there's interesting myths as well. Cause when i rejoined them, after hearing a bit of commotion they were saying "oh you should of been there, you're the biggest guy in our group " and more crap like that. One of my friends ended up with a broken nose
So don't believe the hype either. Just cause someone is big doens't mean they're any good at fighting!

Although i am still yet to find out anyway. Still a fight virgin, although i do break up quite a few fights and am pretty damn good at tackling (thanks to AFL) As for throwing punches and the rest of it, i really don't know shit-all about it. Which is good and bad i guess?

How hard is it to knock someone out?

sorry this is a bit wishy-washy i've been writing it over the last hour or so, in bits'n'pieces.

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gal

If you're big and know how to tackle, you don't need to be a good boxer. Most people give up if you mount them. Check out you local brazilian jiu jitsu club and bring a friend It's great fun and good exercise.

Seaver

For inexperienced who dont know what they're doing very difficult, but with just a little bit of training its amazing what you can do.

I took lessons from a Marine Force-Recon friend of mine (co-trained with SEALs as well), as well as took Judo and Jeet Kun Do. There will be probably 4 pages of people throwing in this and that, but since you are new I'll try to keep it simple.

To knock someone out (non strangle) you really have to do one of two things.

1) Blow to side of head. The skull has a lot of inner lining cushins at the front and at the back of the skull, this is why people can headbut people and not get knocked out. But there is very little cushin along the side. Boxers always cover the sides if you ever pay attention, one blow to the right spot will drop you like a freshman on $2 pitcher night.

2) Blow to the neck. Can't explain well over this, but the "judo-chop" that you see in movies is real, just doesnt look anything like in the movies. Because I can't explain it well, and it is VERY easily done incorrectly I'm going to skip it.

There are hundreds of fighting styles out there, each situated to different surroundings, physical agility, strength, etc. Instead of asking over this do some research on it.

I personally dont suggest Karate, never should you use kicks in any sort of combat aside from kicking out a guys knee or as finishing move in a combat chain. Judo is good if you want to do mainly defensive, it is mostly choke holds and submission. Jeet Kun Do is mostly upper-body work, with legs mainly used to kick out opponents legs or kick down and dislocate their knees (developed by Bruce Lee believe it or not).

Basically instead of asking on here where you'll get many answers, most ending up only half-correct just look up different styles. Each martial art is based off of the person and time it was created by, so it wouldn't be wise for you to take Hap-Ki-Do. Hap-Ki-Do was created by a martial artist who found himself weaker/smaller than his opponents so used their force against them. You might look at Jeet Kun Do being we probably have the same build (was a linebacker in HS). This is in no way pushing you to take a martial arts course, but if you are interested it will aid you much more than anything people will say on this.

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Bill O'Rights

I agree with Fremen. Often, it's not just a matter of how much damage you can inflict, it's more a matter of how much damage you can sustain.

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Fighting is overrated. It always hurts, even if you "win". I like drinkin to relax, I stay away from the testosterone junkies, and watch the honies..... Oh yeah

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ARTelevision

I grew up fighting, often more than once a day.
Knocking someone out is rendering them unconscious - momentarily, or longer. Personally, I don't think it should be a goal unless one is under attack.

Just thought I should say that.

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The_wall

I'm sort of on the same boat as you sleepyjack. I've never gotten into a fight, and I'm 6'4 270lb's so people tend to not want to pick fights with me. If I did get in a fight though I wouldn't have a clue what I was doing.

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I agree with ART, just because you have the power...doesn't mean you should use it.

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water_boy1999

Seaver sums it up pretty well. Knocking someone out, or into unconsciousness is not difficult if you know what you are doing. You will probably be surprised at how quickly fights are rendered finished. I used to work at a pool hall in downtown San Jose. I have seen many and have been in a few fights. I have seen people land one punch that ended the entire thing. I have also seen several people throwing many blows till one of those blows hits the sweet spot and puts the other person out. Before I took kickboxing, I had been in a few bar brawls. I never knocked anyone out, but I did stop fights with one punch. I guess when the attacker realizes what he is about to endure, it can cause him/her to rethink their course of action. Since I have taken some formal training, I do not want to ever be in another fight. Primarily because I know much more about how to put someone down, but more so, I know what training others have and how they can render me unconscioussness.

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Kaos

I rarely say I will kick someone's ass. But if I do say it, I would do it (or at least try)

It has to be a last resort though.

Seaver

Aye, since I have taken self-defense training I actually fear getting in a fight for what I may do.

That is why it is called self-defense, the ability to do something doesnt give you the right. I have not gotten in one fight since I learned what I can do. Before I would never start a fight but I'd never back down either, now as long as there is a way out I take it.

Oh and Wall consider yourself lucky, I'm 6'2" 205 lbs. I'm bigger than about 80% of the people, but just big enough that when people get drunk they want to kick the ass of someone bigger than them, so they throw insults at me and my friends to rouse me. Takes lots of patience not to kick the ass of a guy who calls your girlfriend a slut....

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shakran

Uh huh. Try that with the people at my dojo and you'll get your head torn off. Never go into a fight assuming that you have some secret advantage that no one knows how to counter.

OFKU0

I've knocked out a few people and I think alot of it is dependant on how much the brain gets rattled. A shot to the jaw enough to make the head jerk a quarter turn will do the trick.

I am a peace maker now if the circumstance gets close enough to me since I need my hands to make money and my brain active to keep making money.

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bermuDa

Martial arts training for the most part teaches violence as a last resort. even without training, knocking someone out is pretty easy if you land it right, like this guy:

http://www.biel-tech.com/videos/Funn...fight-club.mpg

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Violence or the threat of is something you use to protect yourself or a loved one.

quote, but i forgot from who

"those that cannot kill will be subject to the will of those that can"

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It has to do with primal genitcs. Men are just aggresive by nature.

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Seaver

Ugh, Air Force ROTC in uniform at a party.... disgrace.

hobo

I haven't been in any fights and I'm kinda small so I'd be at a disadvantage. Size does help, whether or not you have any skill or experience.

gal

Head torn off? Ouch. Anyway, I was talking about street brawls. It seems that most people who pick fights rely on kicks and punches. Probably because they've attended some karate classes or seen too many kung fu movies. If you have a wheight advantage on them, odds are they won't be able to defend a good ol' rhino charge.

Sleepyjack

I probably should take up some form of martial arts training. I imagine it'd be quite fun

i think i mainly started this thread, 'cause guys have quite imaginative ideas about their own fighting abilities....

shakran

Possibly not (although if you try that with the wrong guy, you'll wind up with a broken neck because he'll make YOU take the impact of the fall).

The biggest problem with taking a fight to the ground is that you are now on the ground. Makes you real vulnerable to one of his friends that you never noticed, but who just watched you take out his buddy. I watched a fight back in high school where the guy did a "rhino charge," sat on his chest, and was beating on him, only to get a hard front snap kick right under the jaw from the victim's friend. Guy was in the hospital for a week after that, and they probably would have kept beating on him after he was unconscious except that teachers were there to stop it.

Golden rule of fighting is NEVER take it to the ground, and if you're taken to the ground, end the ground conflict ASAP and GET UP.


Plus, if you have enough distance to do a rhino charge, you have enough distance to turn and run, which should always be your ultimate goal in a conflict.

thephuse

fuck fighting, Man, if someone walked up to me and pissed me off, Man would i beat that guy in a game of chess... He'd go crying to his momma

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I absolutely hate fighting, there is nothing good about it even if you win. I try to avoid fighting as much as I can, but it doesn't always work and I'm forced to. I win some but lost the most. Fighting just shows how immature and animal like you are. We are intelligent human beings, not male Lions in Africa.

Phaenx

I knocked my friend out once when I was 14. We bought some boxing gloves and went out in my garage and started wailing on each other, aboot 10 minutes into our session I clocked him right across his chin and he fell down. Scared the fuck out of me.

I'm an animal, fighting is fun. Rawr.

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gal

Yes, I'm an immature animal. I haven't been to a street fight though.

Snakebyt

in my younger days i used to fight alot, i knocked some people out a few times, and i myself got knocked out a few times. Getting knocked out is the worst thing that can happen to you in a street fight, because half the time whether you are knocked out or not, you still get beaten. If i remember right, last time i got knocked out i woke up with 3 cracked ribs.

crewsor

Size means nothing. A broken nose or collapsed windpipe feels the same no matter how big you are. That said, I would not recommend fighting any one, any size unless you can't talk your way out or run away.
The idea shouldn't be to knock someone out, but to defend yourself. I would never hit anyone unless it was a last resort, but when its serious enough to have to defend myself, I would be pulling out eyes, biting off ears and noses and severely hampering reproductive abilities.
I'm happy to say it has never come to that though, because most of the time if you keep yourself in the right environments and treat people right, violence is not a required skill.-

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H12

My idea exactly, but sometimes that can come back and bite you in the ass...

Back in July, I got into a fight in town with a boy who was a year younger than me and about my height, but wieghed a lil' less. Either way, he was also drunk and high, so he wasn't in the best state of mind anyways. He came up to me and hit me in my temple, then slammed my car-door on me (for no reason other than the fact he didn't want to see me in town). Deciding I had to defend myself and just end this as quick as I can, I slammed my knee into his nuts and punched him in his nose, then put him in a head-lock until he begged me to let him go.

Now, for those who are interested, I'm only about 6'0 and 165 pounds, but I play football, basketball, and tennis while weight-lifting regularly. His nose bled more than I have honestly ever seen before (I was being drenched by it when I had him in a head-lock, and you could see the blood still on the road the next morning). However, here's the getter; when I hit him in the sack with my knee, he had to go to the hospital because of it. Long story short, his testicle had to be removed...no joke.

I seriously had no intentions of costing him that much, and I never even had problems with the guy before that. However, ever since then he and his sister have tried hard to give me problems, including him fighting me again at school back in November (got broken up before anything good happened, sorry for anyone who likes fight details). Now, my parents and I are sick of this and are tryin' to get a restraining order.


Overall, hey, if you don't really know the guy and don't think you'll ever see him again, give him a good bust to the genitals. If you know the guy at all though, he's gonna be out for blood the rest of his life. I don't regret hititng him there though, I just wish I hadn't done that damage to him.

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Nazggul

I did quite a bit of martial arts training in High School and college. To this day I think it made me far more violent than if I had not done it. I faught often in school. I ended up with a bit of a reputation. I was never a big guy, but I would routinely be involved in fights with guys who out weighed me by quite a bit, and would win. Even a small guy with the right training can take out a big guy, either straight up fighting, or on the ground. Don't underestimate anyone. I have since quit the martial arts and I haven't fought since the late 80's. I am much happier with myself.

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clifclav

Every fight I was ever in almost immediately ended up as an ugly wrestling match on some beer and piss soaked sidewalk or alley. We just sort of scrummed around and eventually were separated. I was alittle sore but usually none the worse for wear. My senior year of college i was outside a bar in downtown Baltimore and two guys whom I didn't know started at it. The smaller one went Bruce lee on the bigger guy and landed several very quick punches to the larger guys head and body. The sound of the larger guy's head hitting the pavement was something that i will never forget. that sound is what stopped me from being a juvenile ass and made me realize that I would probably get my ass kicked one day if I kept acting like a juvenile ass.

Sorry for the ramble. Just my $.02

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I've never been in a fight. Wouldn't know what to do if I got in one. When I was a kid I was smaller than everybody so I learned how to avoid situations that could lead to a fight, and now I'm bigger than most people (and half the people I know think I'm psycho) so people generally don't start with me anyways.

GakFace

I remember the male testosterone in middle school. On the bus going to and from school.... "Hey could you beat him up? What about him. Oh I could easily take on Mikey...."
Then they'd go to me.. "Hey Joe, Think you could take on Keith?
Me: "Why?"
Them: "I dunno, but do you think you could take him?"
Me: "I have no reason to, he's my friend.. I see no reason why I'd ever have to hit him, so why bother think about it?"

I still think that way. Violence isn't the answer. Defense might be, but violence in its most basic form should be avoided. You can talk your way out of it. Tell a REALLY funny joke, or even say something so confusing, that they lose track of why they wanted to hit you in the first place.

I haven't gotton into a fight, and I hope I don't have to. I'm not the biggest guy, but if someone I know needs defending, I'll have the determination to stand up for them. And that falls into my category... Bluffing. I'll give threats... but they are a bluff... Sort of. I'll say it.. and its mostly to scare you off, but if you push... and you push hard enough.. I'll follow through. I bluff whenever needed... My friend (though I never hit them or anything) know the same thing. They know I wouldn't harm them unless they were trying to kill me.. but they also know not to push me.

I think thats kind of how it all works really. I may not look like the biggest guy out there. In fact I KNOW I'm not the biggest guy out there. But my idle threats are stated with determination. And that determination speaks through me. If people catch on that you won't 'wuss out'.. they tend to think again.
Example: On a camp, I was bunked with 6 or 7 guys.. all of which could take me... alone. They pissed me off to where I stood up and pointed out how foolish and immature they were acting & then pointed out that if they had any objections that they could talk it up to me Face to Face. Thing is... I knew they could take me.. no question about it... but they also listened and heard it through me. I wasn't asking for a fight mind you... even though through my words... I certainly impllied it. They heard what I said and how I said it... Things shaped up for the better, not for the worse.

Also, I find that being nice to people tends to avoid having to do anything in the first place... 20 years of life and not a single fight has to account for something.

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