Sleepyjack

Is it still racism when you belittle your own race, or make sterotyped, or bigoted comments about your own race?

I find people often do this, but say it's ok cause i am such and such? Seems a little odd to me?

Phaenx

You can be white and hate white people. In this case I think it depends on whether they actually mean it or are just being cock-goggles.

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Tiger69z

Stereotypes exist. Though we are supposedly beyond them, they are still commonly made today. To me, it is usually ok when a guy makes a stereotypic joke, but if it is overdone, or ment in an offensive manner, then i'll really kung fu his ass

gloveshot3

before i can laugh at somebody else, i must first laugh at myself.

sexymama

Maybe I'm hijacking this site and I apologize if I am. I think that humor is great and I love laughing at myself! What I don't get is when black people (or other people of color) make fun of whites and it is seen as acceptable? Isn't this just as prejudice as whites making fun of people of color or men of woman or woman of men, etc.?

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When a person of one race makes fun of another race, it's racism. When a person makes fun of his own race, it's just ignorant and sets a precedent that it is acceptable to do so.

Hateful words are hateful and ignorant regardless of whether the speaker is hateful. Is it really worth a few seconds of laughter to treat hundreds of years of racism, oppression, and hatred as a laughing matter?

timalkin

Who gives a shit?

Why are we so worried about dumb shit like racism and political correctness?

rogue49

Which is the careless attitude which promotes growth into hate.

One thing leads to another.

raeanna74

I don't make jokes or comments on my race as I'm a white mutt with 4 or 5 different nationalities in my blood. I do make jokes about blondes though as I am one. I don't see a problem in it I usually only tell them around people who I already know and who I know won't be offended. I also don't usually take offense when someone makes a joke about blondes. Most of the time it's told in good nature and I just tell them - I've heard them all and challenge them to come up with one I haven't heard yet.

If you're making a joke about your own race I don't see a reason for any problem with it. It's when hate and disrespect is involved when it's wrong.

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timalkin

You've got to be shitting me. It is this kind of attitude that gives everyone a reason to walk around with a stick up their ass about nothing.

That is the biggest leftover bullshit from the Clinton era. That and "hate crimes."

Gimme a fuckin break.

InTeGrA77

Very true...and I don't think that its considered racism if you belittle your own race, its only called that when you say bad things about other races. But when things are taken too far and lines are crossed. Making-fun turns into disrespect and then it could be considered racism for anyone.

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Gimli

Racism is the control of power by the race in control.

Prejudice is the pre-approved hatred of another race/gender/culture.

Racism, by its very definition, can only be practiced by the race in power. A fascinating age-old argument. By which, in this country, blacks cannot be defined as racists on a large scale.

So hate who you want if you have the time, but you're only racist if you use your power to disadvantage another race financially, socially, or politically.

The next topic to ensue should be is "nigger" a vile term when weilded by black Americans? Discuss...

sailor

Sure it is still racism. It just throws a little hypocricy in there to boot.

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loganmule

A white guy can't use the term nigger, even in jest, because it's not politically correct...a black guy can call a white guy a cracker, honky, etc. It seems that the racial minority gets the nod on this one. That said, we'd be better off if there were no sacred cows. As George Carlin once said, there are no bad words, the only "bad" being an issue of the connotation of the person saying the word.

undeadninjaz

i say things that can be considered "racist" some of the time but i usually say it about myself.
like if my friends ask me "how did you do that?" i usually respond with "it's because i'm [race]"
most of the time it doesn't make sense though.

the thing is that if someone makes fun of me using my race as an insult but they're making a good point (sterotypical or not), i'm not offended and i'll just snap back with some remark.

but if they're insulting me because and only because of my race, then i get pissed.

Angel

That is some big toes you are stepping on in your reply. Everybody is entitled to their opinion here, however, a respectable expression of said opinions is a preference here at TFP.

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phaedrus

Is it done tongue in cheek? Or is the person serious? If the person is joking, then it is not racism, if the person is serious, then it is.

flamingdog

i stopped making tongue in cheek racist jokes when i got out of my teens and grew up a bit. now i don't believe anyone who says it's okay to make racist jokes 'if you're with friends who know you don't mean it'. it's the same as people who say 'i'm not racist but...' before saying something stultifyingly ignorant and completely and utterly racist.

if you make racist jokes you're a racist, end of.

Sleepyjack

it most foten starts off tongue and cheek, but sometimes there's a line. I guess people draw it on the ground in different positions?

Small banter might be ok, i guess?

Bit touchy though....I guess it's a little unhealthy to be belittling your own race though. Quite self destructive really. Although we are all the same species anyway...




also, i don't think timalkin was being too unTFP. Sorry i have beenn waiting to say that ignore that last thing

flamingdog

i dunno, the stereotypes of a white pencil necked geek or a white mulleted jock have never really amused me. i just don't see there's much comedy mileage in it, plus it's a pretty unpleasant way to amuse yourself.

madp

Actually, the definition of racism you have presented is one championed by academics in the multicultural movement (though certainly not all multicultural theorists are guilty) . It is a politicized definition, and is not accepted outside of a few academics who have a controversial and/or bigoted agenda to push.

In a general sense, many anti-white and/or anti-affluence social theories have cropped up in academia in the past 30 years under the "multicultural" banner, and many of them were criticized as being latently racist (and rightfully so). These academics came back with the idea that they can use all of the hate-filled, race-based rhetoric against white and affluent Americans that they wanted to without it being racism, because it's not racism if the race in question is in power.

Sorry rant on, but I got so sick of politicized language during my 7 years of working on my doctorate that I have a very visceral reaction when I hear that stuff being accepted by the mainstream.

legolas

I consider racism to be serious. By that I mean friendly jokes that have no belief behind them do not bother me. When I think someone really is ignorant then it becomes a problem.

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Iliftrocks

Thank you madp. I couldn't say it better myself.

Some people like to redefine words to suit thier own pitiful agendas.

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