Strange Famous

On the whole, I hope not of course, the deaths of innocent people are never a good thing, and the fact the US and UK military have murdered and tortured thousands of innocent Iraqi's and Afghani's, is no moral justification for British or American civilians to be murdered...

But at the same time, can we really expect our government to behave as they have, to humiliate, bully, steal from, brutalise other countries, and never expect any retaliation?

I personally expect there to be some big attacks in the next couple of weeks, but I doubt the scale of barbarism achieved by the terrorists will match the damage done by the state terrorism of America (with the UK, as ever, the leading cheerleader, and ever willing to put the boot into any enemy America has already knocked down to its knee's)

Are other people expecting huge attacks against America or Britain?

Stare At The Sun

Personally, i expect america, NYC or DC to be attacked within 10 years, best case, massive car bombings happing at the same time, at worst...suitcase nuke.

Doesn't mean i like it, i just know its probably gunna happen...

clevaccount1

Yay, fear! We all love fear! Get your pointless, needless fear here!

You can speculate all you want, but it's better just not to worry about it, because even if it's coming tomorrow, there's shit-all you can do about it.

papermachesatan

got a link or evidence of this charge?

papermachesatan

Being attacked is probably inevitable but worrying about it day to day is pointless. You've got a greater chance of dying in a car wreck or other various accidents.

feelgood

Ah, history will repeat...

Think USA and UK as Rome. Those of you who knows roman history well enough will know what I mean...

Those of you who don't. Here's a simplied version. United States and UK thinks they're so powerful that they can push other nations around to get what they want. Which is exactly what the Roman Empire did. Eventually, they blicker among themselves and that led to their eventual fall...

Like I said, History repeats...

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tinfoil

I, too, would like some proof of your statement Strange Famous, lest this thread become a pointless string of accusations.

I don't think any country is *safe* from fanatics and zealots, though some are at greater risk than others with the USA and the UK being obvious examples.

I think the recent Air France news should be a wake up call, pointing to the fact that the zealots haven't moved on yet.

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Strange Famous

Evidence?

http://www.notinourname.net/gi-special

is some. I would say it is not hard to find a lot more.

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mrbuck12000

no....i think that the media is bored and that Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge has nothing better to do but put the fear of his christian god in the american public. Martial law for all.

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sadatx

Something like 9/11 took alot more than a couple years to plan and organize, so I don't think anything will happen on a large scale like that.

Am I completely confident in the security measures we're taking? I don't know. But I do think it's much harder to carry out an attack today than it was pre 9/11.

In the end, I guess all I can say is that I really hope nothing happens.

mrbuck12000

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Whats it spell......Martial Law....lock down......big brother....the red herring of 9/11...
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0352/mondo1.php

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bluearmy

There will be terrorist activity at some point in both the UK/US and when it does it does; that is something we can have little influence over, so why worry?

The fear of an attack is something that our governments thrive on. They use it to justify massive weapons spending with clumsy/crude foreign policy. I for one believe that the fear of an attack in political terms is good for business because with the threat hanging over us we look to the politicians for solutions, the very same people exaggerating the threat to us in the first place.

Fire

I feel that each of us is responsible for our own security to an extent- one cannot expect any government to protect you all the time unless you invite in martial law, or worse, so our security must be earned- be aware of your surroundings- do not do stupid things that increase the chance of being mugged- learn to defend yourself and your loved ones- none of this entails digging a bomb shelter or moving to some remote state- nor does it entail hating people of a different creed, color, ect- what it does require is not whining to the government because we live in a world that has fanatical nutjobs in it- as to the torture and murder issue- you can be an idealist all you want, but these things are going to happen in a war- and does ANYONE think either HUSSEIN or the TALIBAN were more humeane to their respective people- DO YOU THINK EITHER OF THESE GOV.S WOULD REMOVE THEMSELVES? was it self interest on our part that made us do it? hell yes- Did it also incidentaly improve those peoples lives- onec again Hell yes.

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lordjeebus

Everytime the US or the UK kills a civilian, it greatly increases the risk that his or her sons, daughters, brothers, sisters and friends will turn to terrorism.

Although I do not believe it possible to win a "war on terrorism," if one were to attempt to do so, killing civilians is not the way to do it.

I'm not too worried about something happening in the next two weeks, but I am worried about what happens when the children of the thousands of innocents killed grow up.

splck

Exactly. It's just a matter of time before the shit hits the fan.

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papermachesatan

It would have been nice if you had linked to an actual article instead of a general website(might as well link me to cnn.com and tell me to find it for myself). Even in this sensationalist rag of a website, I wasn't able to find any examples of torture that occured in the US, US bases, the UK, or UK bases. One article did complain that one of the prisoners was beaten but this was by Syrian guards in Syria.

So, the challenge for you to provide evidence of your claims remains.

papermachesatan

Killing civilians on purpose and by accident are different things. Yes, the end result is the same but we're not the Israelies quite yet.

Boo

What is a "better way" to rid the earth of vermin?

I personally believe that we should not have went into Iraq the second time.

I do also believe that innocent people were dying daily under his regime.

Notinourname.net...... "In a perfect world ... maybe" but not in the real world.

I am tired of people using faulty logic to initiate wars, believe in a god (want tax breaks and kill for their god), block the lottery, stop logging of spruce kill and many other causes.

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Seaver

.... wow... that website was possibly the most blatent piece of crap I have ever read. At least Fox News gives proof of what they say by siting everything, these people just say the soldiers wanted to stay anonymous. Sorry, but that doesn't even work for a 4th grade paper, why would you expect anyone to buy this crap?

The UK has our back, yeah, just like we had their backs in time of need. At least some old alliances dont fall apart so easily. As for barbarism... sorry, we dont rape the inhabitants, we dont sell the women and children as slaves, we dont kill unarmed civilians on purpose.

Murdered... yes, unfortunately there were mistakes and innocents were killed. As far as torturing goes we dont put them on the rack or anything, we dont electrocute. All we do is play rock music and keep them up all night, not all that hard, hell people do it to their roommates all the time.

Seaver

Seaver

.... wow... that website was possibly the most blatent piece of crap I have ever read. At least Fox News gives proof of what they say by siting everything, these people just say the soldiers wanted to stay anonymous. Sorry, but that doesn't even work for a 4th grade paper, why would you expect anyone to buy this crap?

The UK has our back, yeah, just like we had their backs in time of need. At least some old alliances dont fall apart so easily. As for barbarism... sorry, we dont rape the inhabitants, we dont sell the women and children as slaves, we dont kill unarmed civilians on purpose.

Murdered... yes, unfortunately there were mistakes and innocents were killed. As far as torturing goes we dont put them on the rack or anything, we dont electrocute. All we do is play rock music and keep them up all night, not all that hard, hell people do it to their roommates all the time.

I'm 100% ok with you being against the Iraqi invasion, I disagree and believe the end will justify the means. But I'm sorry you arguing that Afghanistan invasion was not justified ruins ANY credability you have, then ruined farther by that pos website you sited your opinions on. We were attacked, the Taliban supported and sheltered those who planned and funded it, we sought retribution for those 3000 innocent dead civilians on those who did it.

If some stranger killed your mother/child/wife/husband/etc. , for absolutely no reason, how would you feel if some person told you you need to understand that the person who killed your mother/child/etc is from a different culture, and it was your fault they were killed... wouldn't you be pissed off as well? Well multiply that by 3000 lives who were ended in an instant.

mirevolver

I think that France is more likely to be attacked before there is another attack on US soil.

Try to understand the Arab culture a little. The Arabs respect only one thing, strength. And at the same time, they feed on weakness. The US and UK have shown them their strength. France (and Germany) have shown them their weakness.

And remember, to them we are all western infidels.

Sure, the US and UK (and other coalition forces) have caused some angst by going into Iraq. But they were already angry with us. They showed a willingness to kill 3000 innocent civilians on September 11th, 2001. So what are they going to do, vow to kill more? They would have made the same vow had we not gone into Afghanistan and Iraq.

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scarab77

It is very hard to take a publication seriously when it says something like:

"Today, Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Muckmouth Dumbfuck clarified the statement...."

Now maybe that was supposed to be a joke...but since it relies on an intellect of a 7 year-old child to be funny, I just can't take the rest of it seriously.

Do you have any credible sources?

Stare At The Sun

Uh, No. If they respected strength, then why would all this shit go down w/ Isreal who has w/o a doubt the most powerful army in the middle east? It's not as simple as you would like to make it sound, we are all in the same boat(as westerners), however, the United States is the one that promotes the most non-fundamentalist idea's worldwide. and is also seen as the biggest threat to them(terrorists). Not germany or france.

mirevolver

Respecting strength does not mean bowing down to it. They still see the Isrealis and the western countries as infidels. But had we not done anything after 9/11, it would have only encouraged them to do more, because it would have shown weakness to them.

I still maintain, that the French have shown only weakness to them. Notice that they tried to hijack a French airline a few days ago. They see the French as easy targets.

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NeverBorn

Why be paranoid. Gotta take shit as it comes