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meanSpleen · 04-30-2003, 02:38 PM

Bahahahaha, "file trading is to promote music piracy". har har. Lets show them all a lesson and download some more porn.

From http://techdirt.com/articles/20030430/1049256.shtml

Quote:

While the music industry insists that the only reason for file sharing
is to steal music, new studies suggest that's not even the main reason
people use file sharing any more. Now, they use it to <a href="http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,58665,00.html">find porn</a>.
So, even if "legitimate" music services show up, people say file
sharing services won't go away - even if the music industry's latest
campaign is telling people to uninstall their file sharing software.
While some porn providers are taking the RIAA route of blaming the
technology, there are some porn providers who are <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20030114/0058250.shtml">embracing the technology</a>,
building business models around file sharing, and taking advantage of
what the medium provides them. Once again, the technology is being
pushed by the porn industry. The music industry might want to take
note.

scope · 04-30-2003, 02:54 PM

ROFL. about time they found out...lol.

WhoaitsZ · 04-30-2003, 03:26 PM

soo....... if they would have asked my opinion on the file swapping thing four or five years ago i could had told them what was up....

Eviltree · 04-30-2003, 03:33 PM

you'd think they'd have realized it by now

louiedog · 04-30-2003, 04:04 PM

why download britney's awful songs when you can download fake naked pictures?

HeyAgain · 04-30-2003, 05:29 PM

Has anyone received a SPECIAL message from the RIAA yet?

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The recording industry has tapped into two Internet file-swapping services and is flashing messages to music traders warning them they're breaking the law.

"COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT WARNING," the message reads. "When you break the law, you risk legal penalties. There is a simple way to avoid that risk: DON'T STEAL MUSIC."

At the same time, the industry is collecting the user names of people suspected of illegally offering copyright material with the file-sharing services Kazaa and Grokster, but it doesn't intend to pursue legal action, said Recording Industry Association of America President Cary Sherman.

Sherman, who announced the effort Tuesday, called it "educational" and said "there's no enforcement connected to this."

Kazaa owner Sharman Networks likened the RIAA campaign to spam meant to confuse users. Grokster Ltd. President Wayne Rosso called it "a death rattle."

"It doesn't bother us, because we are very anti-copyright infringement anyway," Rosso said. "They think they're harassing us. No. What they're doing is declaring war on our users."

The tactic is the latest in the industry's battle to curb the illegal duplication of copyright works, which it blames for a drop off in compact disk sales.

Last week, the industry lost a court battle against file-sharing services after a judge ruled that Grokster and StreamCast Networks Inc. are not responsible for illegal copying by their users. A similar lawsuit against Kazaa is pending.

Media analysts estimate that as many as 61 million Americans use Internet services such as Kazaa and Grokster to download copyright material.

The peer-to-peer software allows users to search other users' computers for song, movie and other types of files. It also allows users to contact each other through a text messaging feature.

Unlike Napster, the pioneer file-sharing service ordered shut by the courts, Grokster and StreamCast say they only provide software and technical assistance rather than actually hosting users' files on servers.

The RIAA was able to find Grokster and Kazaa users' screen names through a computer application designed to work with the peer-to-peer software that allows automated searches of 100-200 of the most popular or most traded song titles on the services.

The message the RIAA sent warns users that they are not anonymous, can be easily identified and are at risk for legal penalties. It suggests the user disable the file-swapping software.

Grokster, based in Nevis, West Indies, will not try to block the RIAA from contacting its users, Rosso said. He said users that want to stop the messages can change their software settings to block text messages.

The RIAA, meanwhile, plans to send out about 1 million messages per week, Sherman said.

Only Kazaa and Grokster users who have their peer-to-peer software set for file sharing are being targeted at this point, he said. No decision has been made on whether to expand the campaign to users of other file-sharing services, Sherman said.

In a separate action, the RIAA has sued four college students who allegedly offered more than 1 million recordings over the Internet, demanding damages of $150,000 per song.

frenik · 04-30-2003, 09:13 PM

They're spending more money and energy fighting file sharing than it would take to change the way they do business. I guess they figured it'd all be over by now and everyone would go back to paying $18 for a CD with 10 songs, of which only 2 are any good.

This just in: Porn always wins the bandwidth contest.

phoenix1002 · 04-30-2003, 09:32 PM

It cracks me up how everyone seems to be surprised that porn was (and is) the main traffic on file sharing services. The only reason that wasn't the case on Napster was because it only offered music (just imagine how much more amazing napster would have been if it had had music and porn!!!).

The RIAA needs to stop fighting this fight. They can't win, short of blocking file sharing over the internet. And if that happens, then the RIAA might as well just commit sepukku, since they will have signed their own death warrent. If they tried to embrace the new technology, and adapt to it, they would probably not be having these issues. The old system of selling a crappy cd with two or three hits won't work anymore. They need to offer better alternatives to file sharing. I'm not talking about throwing special features onto a CD... most people just want the music, not the extra stuff. However, if you make it so I can download the songs I want at high quality, I'd be willing to pay a bit for that. They can still make money, just not the way they have in the past.

Lebell · 04-30-2003, 10:24 PM

I am trying hard to feel sorry for the RIAA and failing miserably.

Loki · 04-30-2003, 10:48 PM

The biggest problem with the RIAA's stance is thier inability to see how the internet works, i think. Even if they magically obtain an injunction against all major p2p networks tomorrow, how long will it take for another network to spring up? or another way of file sharing? file sharing is firmly embedded into the internet now, and its impossible to take it out.

btw, does anyone else find it humourous that they havent mentioned IRC or FTP based file sharing at all? maybe they don't know about it?

Anyway, i agree with pheonix. all the RIAA have to do is apologize, and embrace the internet. Maybe start offering a sample (20-50) seconds of a few songs from each new CD on their website and lower the prices of their CD's... or even offer a $1 flat payment per song download scheme or something like that.

krazykemist · 05-01-2003, 03:05 AM

The RIAA also seems to keep missing the fact that maybe just maybe the decline in cd sales is due to the fact that in the past year there were 25% less new releases than the previous year.
This would probably have something to do with it. I know I dont buy the same cd each year.
More choices means more sales I dont care I Britney puts out 2 albums in a year its still not going to make up for the other 25% of artists that did not put out one.

troit · 05-01-2003, 06:02 AM

Or maybe, just like every other industry in the country is struggling because people aren't out there spending money. That's why it's called a RECESSION!!

BoCo · 05-01-2003, 06:13 AM

I have a feeling that sixate is solely to blame.

gov135 · 05-01-2003, 06:26 AM

The music industry does need to change the way they do business. They need to eliminate all artist perks, expensive promotions, etc. If its good, we will find it. Especially with the internet. The cost structure of each CD should only factor in studio costs, artist cut, and record label cut.

I like Kazaa, etc as much as anyone, but I don't like all the spyware. I like to find my porn anonymously.

frenik · 05-01-2003, 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gov135
I like Kazaa, etc as much as anyone, but I don't like all the spyware.

Use KazaaLite, it's a hacked version of Kazaa with the spyware removed. I've been using it for a few months and I'm very happy with it.

forgotten_dream · 05-01-2003, 07:26 AM

I'd feel alot worse about d/loading music if artists were getting most of the money from a CD I buy, but they don't. And frankly, the RIAA gets no pity from me.
But back to the original topic... Yay free porn!!!

hrdwareguy · 05-01-2003, 07:29 AM

Some people just can't take a hint

04-30-2003, 09:13 PM	#7 (permalink)
frenik Crazy Location: blah	They're spending more money and energy fighting file sharing than it would take to change the way they do business. I guess they figured it'd all be over by now and everyone would go back to paying $18 for a CD with 10 songs, of which only 2 are any good. This just in: Porn always wins the bandwidth contest. __________________ I don't know what's worse, that I dreamed about putting my ex-girlfriend in a woodchipper, or that I woke up with an erection. - jim norton

04-30-2003, 09:32 PM	#8 (permalink)
phoenix1002 Psycho Location: lost	It cracks me up how everyone seems to be surprised that porn was (and is) the main traffic on file sharing services. The only reason that wasn't the case on Napster was because it only offered music (just imagine how much more amazing napster would have been if it had had music and porn!!!). The RIAA needs to stop fighting this fight. They can't win, short of blocking file sharing over the internet. And if that happens, then the RIAA might as well just commit sepukku, since they will have signed their own death warrent. If they tried to embrace the new technology, and adapt to it, they would probably not be having these issues. The old system of selling a crappy cd with two or three hits won't work anymore. They need to offer better alternatives to file sharing. I'm not talking about throwing special features onto a CD... most people just want the music, not the extra stuff. However, if you make it so I can download the songs I want at high quality, I'd be willing to pay a bit for that. They can still make money, just not the way they have in the past. __________________ I'd rather be climbing... I approach college much like a recovering alcoholic--one day at a time...

04-30-2003, 10:24 PM	#9 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	I am trying hard to feel sorry for the RIAA and failing miserably. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

04-30-2003, 10:48 PM	#10 (permalink)
Loki Psycho Location: Drifting.	The biggest problem with the RIAA's stance is thier inability to see how the internet works, i think. Even if they magically obtain an injunction against all major p2p networks tomorrow, how long will it take for another network to spring up? or another way of file sharing? file sharing is firmly embedded into the internet now, and its impossible to take it out. btw, does anyone else find it humourous that they havent mentioned IRC or FTP based file sharing at all? maybe they don't know about it? Anyway, i agree with pheonix. all the RIAA have to do is apologize, and embrace the internet. Maybe start offering a sample (20-50) seconds of a few songs from each new CD on their website and lower the prices of their CD's... or even offer a $1 flat payment per song download scheme or something like that. Last edited by Loki; 05-01-2003 at 03:26 AM..

05-01-2003, 03:05 AM	#11 (permalink)
krazykemist Psycho Location: New Orleans	The RIAA also seems to keep missing the fact that maybe just maybe the decline in cd sales is due to the fact that in the past year there were 25% less new releases than the previous year. This would probably have something to do with it. I know I dont buy the same cd each year. More choices means more sales I dont care I Britney puts out 2 albums in a year its still not going to make up for the other 25% of artists that did not put out one. __________________ "Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself." -- Tolstoy

04-30-2003, 02:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
scope Banned Location: Canada	ROFL. about time they found out...lol.

04-30-2003, 03:26 PM	#3 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	soo....... if they would have asked my opinion on the file swapping thing four or five years ago i could had told them what was up....

04-30-2003, 03:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
Eviltree Psycho Location: British Columbia	you'd think they'd have realized it by now

04-30-2003, 04:04 PM	#5 (permalink)
louiedog Crazy	why download britney's awful songs when you can download fake naked pictures?

04-30-2003, 05:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
HeyAgain Psycho	Has anyone received a SPECIAL message from the RIAA yet? LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The recording industry has tapped into two Internet file-swapping services and is flashing messages to music traders warning them they're breaking the law. "COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT WARNING," the message reads. "When you break the law, you risk legal penalties. There is a simple way to avoid that risk: DON'T STEAL MUSIC." At the same time, the industry is collecting the user names of people suspected of illegally offering copyright material with the file-sharing services Kazaa and Grokster, but it doesn't intend to pursue legal action, said Recording Industry Association of America President Cary Sherman. Sherman, who announced the effort Tuesday, called it "educational" and said "there's no enforcement connected to this." Kazaa owner Sharman Networks likened the RIAA campaign to spam meant to confuse users. Grokster Ltd. President Wayne Rosso called it "a death rattle." "It doesn't bother us, because we are very anti-copyright infringement anyway," Rosso said. "They think they're harassing us. No. What they're doing is declaring war on our users." The tactic is the latest in the industry's battle to curb the illegal duplication of copyright works, which it blames for a drop off in compact disk sales. Last week, the industry lost a court battle against file-sharing services after a judge ruled that Grokster and StreamCast Networks Inc. are not responsible for illegal copying by their users. A similar lawsuit against Kazaa is pending. Media analysts estimate that as many as 61 million Americans use Internet services such as Kazaa and Grokster to download copyright material. The peer-to-peer software allows users to search other users' computers for song, movie and other types of files. It also allows users to contact each other through a text messaging feature. Unlike Napster, the pioneer file-sharing service ordered shut by the courts, Grokster and StreamCast say they only provide software and technical assistance rather than actually hosting users' files on servers. The RIAA was able to find Grokster and Kazaa users' screen names through a computer application designed to work with the peer-to-peer software that allows automated searches of 100-200 of the most popular or most traded song titles on the services. The message the RIAA sent warns users that they are not anonymous, can be easily identified and are at risk for legal penalties. It suggests the user disable the file-swapping software. Grokster, based in Nevis, West Indies, will not try to block the RIAA from contacting its users, Rosso said. He said users that want to stop the messages can change their software settings to block text messages. The RIAA, meanwhile, plans to send out about 1 million messages per week, Sherman said. Only Kazaa and Grokster users who have their peer-to-peer software set for file sharing are being targeted at this point, he said. No decision has been made on whether to expand the campaign to users of other file-sharing services, Sherman said. In a separate action, the RIAA has sued four college students who allegedly offered more than 1 million recordings over the Internet, demanding damages of $150,000 per song.

05-01-2003, 06:02 AM	#12 (permalink)
troit Transfer Agent Location: NYC	Or maybe, just like every other industry in the country is struggling because people aren't out there spending money. That's why it's called a RECESSION!! __________________ I've yet to dephile myself...

05-01-2003, 06:13 AM	#13 (permalink)
BoCo Fear the bunny Location: Hanging off the tip of the Right Wing	I have a feeling that sixate is solely to blame. __________________ Activism is a way for useless people to feel important.

05-01-2003, 06:26 AM	#14 (permalink)
gov135 Junkie Location: Midwest	The music industry does need to change the way they do business. They need to eliminate all artist perks, expensive promotions, etc. If its good, we will find it. Especially with the internet. The cost structure of each CD should only factor in studio costs, artist cut, and record label cut. I like Kazaa, etc as much as anyone, but I don't like all the spyware. I like to find my porn anonymously.

05-01-2003, 07:26 AM	#16 (permalink)
forgotten_dream Psycho	I'd feel alot worse about d/loading music if artists were getting most of the money from a CD I buy, but they don't. And frankly, the RIAA gets no pity from me. But back to the original topic... Yay free porn!!! __________________ "A ouija board just works better if you've made it yourself. It's sortof like how 'Clue' is more interesting when one of you has actually killed someone."

05-01-2003, 07:29 AM	#17 (permalink)
hrdwareguy "Officer, I was in fear for my life" Location: Oklahoma City	Some people just can't take a hint __________________ Gun Control is hitting what you aim at Aim for the TFP, Donate Today