nanofever

If only Saddam and 9/11 were connected.

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"Yeah, the problem with the world is the stupid people are all cocksure of themselves and the intellectuals are full of doubt."

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A few points to ponder
everyone seems to be so against vengence- but why- the longest lasting empires in the world swore by it, and in the end, history is written by those who are still alive to write it- debating how right the u.s.'s involvment was is a moot point- no one stopped us, few helped us, and we did what our controling political entity wanted to anyway- ultimately it came down to the fact that we were going to smash the husein regiem for SOME reason, and despite the disagreement from the rest of the world, we did- will it matter that there are no WMD's- I doubt it- is hussein a nice guy- does anyone dispute the fact that this man is a MONSTER?- simply put we did what we did because we are the most powerful nation in the world, and we wanted to- is this fair- HELL NO- but can anyone honestly say that Iraq is better off with saddam- in short- in this case our desires as a nation had the side effect of toppling a dictator.....

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silverback

Hopefully finding him will cause some of the resistance our soldiers have been facing to crumble. Now if we can just find osama.

bubbaspike

If you thought the OJ trial was big news, just wait for this one.

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Giltwist

I think the really zealous ones will all commit suicide attacks soon as a last ditch effort.

bermuDa

i'm glad saddam is alive, I'm interested to see what his trial will look like.

Osama, on the other hand, I want skewered on a bamboo rod, roasting over a burning trash can.

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sailor

Thats exactly what Im worried about. He will play up the capture for ratings. While Saddam is certainly a bad person, and its great that we caught him, keep in mind that he had nothing to do with 9/11, and as of now, our war with him isnt even sufficiently justified. Which makes his capture little more than a publicity coup.

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Fremen

I'm just glad our soldiers were able to avoid a firefight while capturing SH.

Let's hope they don't relax their guards.

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hobo

IIRC Joe Stalin was his hero and role-model. If they are similar, it is because Saddam copied him. Saddam's capture will probably demoralize some of the rebels, but definately not all of them.

macro

And the circus continues. I was mildly heartened by seeing in one of our most respected papers <http://www.smh.com.au> that the majority of Australian's don't think he should be executed.

jwoody

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Shauk

yay for capturing someone who doesnt have any WMD's!

i would laugh if Saddamn goes to the UN, says hey, this war was unjust they killed my sons and destoryed my country when I refused to leave my home...., lets get bush. and then then the UN actually put some bite into thier bark.


heh but in the same breath, its like watching 2 super villans fight.
cuz no matter who wins, you are still going to be stuck with one of them :\

Shokan

Didn't America get pissed off the last time the iraqis paraded around P.O.W.'s? Aren't we doing the same with Saddam? Isn't it against some international law?

Or are they just going to ignore the law cuz this is a "special case"?

Hypocrites.

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Tophat665

No, he's a witch. Burn him!

Really the only thing to do is hold him as bait for a while, (mostly to make sure that any ideas of his dropping dime on his Bush Bund connections are beaten out of his noggin), then repatriate him and let the Iraqis have their way with him.

I mean, what's our beef with him? Making Poppie Bush look like a Dunce in the second Degree? Don't think it'll hold up in an American court.

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ninety09

I was also thinking about that.. Isn't it against the Geneva convention to show these images?

Article 13 of the Third Geneva Convention says "prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity".

SecretMethod70

I'd laugh too - cause it was the lack of bite in their bark that led to the US doing this alone in the first place.

As far as us trying to rewrite history (from a comment on page 1), there's no question as to whether or not we supported him at one time. We did. With a different president, different world political climate, and different citizens. President Bush was not leading the country when we supported him. No doubt, it was a mistake, but at the time he seemed like the lesser of two evils and there's no reason to blame CURRENT political leaders on PAST political leaders mistakes.

Put that in contrast with the governments of France, Germany, and others. Governments who supplied Saddam Hussein and Iraq with TONS of weapons as recent as January of this year. Governments who also made under the table dealings, ignoring UN sanctions against Iraq, and after the US had finally admitted that Saddam was an evil person and would no longer help him.

Now, I'm not saying that France or Germany is worse than the US per se, but it makes little sense to criticize the US and say it's hypocritical to put him in power many years ago and then multiple administrations later say we have no right to be against him for that reason and that we are "bad" for doing something on our own and ignoring the UN when those same countries are CURRENTLY supporting a tyrant and supplying him with arms, also behind the UNs back.

No one is on high moral ground here, so in my opinion it's just a matter of which one leads to a better end. And Saddam out of power is a better end than the alternative.

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eotlemac

All i can say is finding him took way to long......Plus diddnt some people think he was dead?

Either way that rocks the casaba

Mehoni

Hmm.. Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel and a lot of other countries are not far off from Saddams regime except they might lack the good things Saddam did.. Check Amnesty. Why are these friends/neutral to the US?

"Aside from land ownership, the Saddam Hussein era oversaw other examples of a social revolution. Saddam, to the consternation of Islamic fundamentalists and the Islamic Republic of Iran, gave women added freedoms and offered them high level government and industry jobs. Saddam provided both Arab and Western style banking systems to give the people a choice between these interest-bearing and non-interest-bearing accounts, created a western style legal system (Iraq is the only country in the Persian Gulf region which is not ruled according to Islamic law), and abolished the old Sharia law courts except for personal injury, small court claims." <-- Wikipedia.

Saudi Arabia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Saudi_Arabia
"Saudi Arabia became one of three countries to offer the Taliban diplomatic recognition in 1997. Saudi aid flowed to the Taliban, including logistical and humanitarian support during its rise to power and a continued commitment afterward. An estimated $2 million came each year from Saudi Arabia's major charity, funding two universities and six health clinics and supporting 4,000 orphans; King Fahd sent an annual shipment of dates as a gift."

Israel
"The Palestinian Exodus is the name given to the Palestinian refugee flight that took place during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. In that flight 520,000 (Israeli estimate) to 1,000,000 (Arab estimate) Palestinian Arabs fled from their homes in what would become the state of Israel to neighbouring countries. Despite international pressure, Israel forebade them to return home and their property was either destroyed or expropriated to Israeli Jews.

Today the original refugees and their descendants amount to some 5.5-6.5 million Palestinians. "

Iran
" In broad terms, Iran's "Islamic foreign policy" emphasizes:

* Vehement anti-U.S. and anti-Israel stances;
* Eliminating outside influence in the region;
* Support for Muslim political movements abroad; and
* A great increase in diplomatic contacts with developing countries. "

"Iran backs Hizballah, Hamas, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command--all groups violently opposed to the Arab-Israeli peace process."

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theusername

Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel... none of these countries committed mass genocide against a race. (kurds) You will not find mass graves in those countries as you will in Iraq. None of those countries gassed their own people.

Sure early on Saddam did good things for Iraq's economy and even social reform but in the past 15 years, since his war with Iran, power went to his head.

Dont get me wrong im not a fan of Iran or Saudi Arabia but to say their leadership is just as bad as Iraqs is false.

In my opinion if Saddam had the force Hitler had then WW3 would have broken out. To me those two are no different and Iraqs regime being torn down is much better than Irans or Saudis regime being torn down. (not saying i would object to either crumbling tho.)

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hunnychile

Just in time for BushCo to get re-elected.... yuck!

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Phaenx

Yay you mean, it's deliciously exciting! Another 4 years of Bush!

Anyhow, there's still a year until reelection, not quite just in time. Jobs will be back just in time in a few months though. It's looking good for them.

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wannabenakid247

Best news in ages

raeanna74

I almost can't believe that he's caught. Didn't really believe it could happen for some reason.

I think he is in a way related to 9/11 he was told by the US NOT to harbor Osama and he ignored us. The reason his country is falling apart is because he ignored us and "protected" an enemy of ours.

If you aren't with us you are against us.

I doubt he'll face anything like execution. I just hope he comes down with some disease that eats his brain out. He's a coward that was on a power trip.

Also btw Israelites were in palestine before Arab Palestinians. They had been run out of their homes years before the Holocaust. The Holocaust just sent them finally running home. Arab Palestinians don't belong there.

JMHO

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lordjeebus

Hold on -- Saddam harbored Osama? What? When?

Are you confusing him with Mullah Omar?

raeanna74

I don't mean directly but Osama was in his country for a time.

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lordjeebus

I was unaware of even that. Are you sure? Following Bush's don't-harbor-terrorists speech? Where did you hear about this?

raeanna74

Please forget I said that bit. I don't get news straight half the time. Now you know why I'm never in the politics forum.

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