12-13-2003, 10:15 AM | #41 (permalink) |
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Location: U of MD
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Everyone seems to continue to ignore the fact that DerBlitzkrieger pointed out: there's no study that proves 2nd hand smoke is hazardous to your health. The FDA study that initially spoke of the dangers of 2nd hand smoke and is cited by all anti-smoking lobbying was withdrawn because it simply had no scientific basis.
now, i have never smoked a cigarette in my life. this isn't because i believe i have moral superiority to people who do, or greater willpower, or desire for better health -- i just think it smells bad. i infrequently smoke a cigar or pipe because i think they taste and smell good. however, banning cigarettes in all indoor establishments is fairly adsurd. sure, i'd prefer if it were the case, but i don't think it is my right to impose that on every patron. 2nd hand smoke is at worst an annoyance (might be some harm with EXTREME exposure), and banning it without anymore justification is absurd. bar/resurant owners should have the final say on what is allowed on their property. |
12-13-2003, 12:32 PM | #42 (permalink) |
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In America, people have freedom... until it infringes upon another person's rights. You have every right to smoke yourself (and only yourself) braindead. Here, you DO NOT have the right to make me smoke. And you cannot deny that you are because when you light up, I breathe in the same poison.
Now, unless something is created that stops me from breathing in your smoke, I will object to you doing it around me. |
12-13-2003, 12:51 PM | #43 (permalink) | |
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there are dozens of such studies. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2053840.stm Now there may be some studies arguing the other way, but all I know is: 1. When I come home, at night, from the pub, my clothes REEK of smoke...I mean they are really disgusting, and I can't even leven them in my room at night, lest they stink the room up. If second hand smoke can do that to my clothes, I'd hate to think what it does to my lungs. 2. When I walk into a room where people have been smoking, I will either start to cough, or else (more usually) just get the feeling that I need to cough. neither of these are positive things.
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12-13-2003, 12:59 PM | #44 (permalink) | |
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Location: Ireland
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Report of the Scientific Committee on Tobacco and Health http://www.archive.official-document...o/contents.htm Quote:
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http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/286/4/436 Quote:
http://no-smoking.org/nov97/11-28-97-2.html Quote:
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http://no-smoking.org/dec01/12-21-01-2.html Health Effects of Exposure to Environmental Tobacco Smoke http://www.oehha.org/air/environment.../finalets.html Reports Showing ETS Causes Lung Cancer http://no-smoking.org/july98/07-20-98-7.html Fact Sheet on Secondhand Smoke http://www.repace.com/factsheet.html _________________________________ Yes, I am aware that there have been a number of reports which came up with contradictory conclusions. But to claim that no such reports exist in the first place is just blatantly wrong!
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12-13-2003, 01:36 PM | #46 (permalink) | |
Like John Goodman, but not.
Location: SFBA, California
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The choice to partake in something addictive is definitely a stupid, ignorant, and impulse driven choice more often than not. However, I'd like to invite you to inject yourself with one good dose of heroin, and then keep a second in your pocket for the month thereafter. If that dose is still there after a month, you can talk all you want about "mind over matter." I suppose I'm just trying to point out that initiating an addiction is retarded, but being addicted *is* a condition that is very hard to just up and drop. |
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12-13-2003, 01:40 PM | #47 (permalink) | |
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12-13-2003, 02:22 PM | #49 (permalink) | |
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Location: Somewhere in Ohio
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Shortly after High school I began to drink. Never did before. I figured that I'd have some fun. Well, as it turns out I like, check that, love the taste of alcohol. I drank like a fish for a little while. Anything I could get I drank it, and drank a lot of it. All of my friends told me I was an alcoholic. I said that I could quit any time I wanted. They all said that's what alcoholics say. They just didn't get it. One day I had reality smack me upside my dumb fucking head. Here's the story: I was over a friends house with a bunch of people I graduated with. BTW, I hung out with the biggest pothead drug-addict alcoholics in my school, and never did anything with them until I drank after graduation.. Never tried drugs, and never will. Anyway, everyone was all fucked up. I was drinking a bottle of whiskey, and as I took a chug from my bottle a friend made a comment. He said that they all liked me a lot better when I was drunk because I acted like them..... I looked around the room and realized I didn't want to be like them. I was better and smarter than all of those losers. I left and didn't drink a thing for a long time. I would only drink about 2 or 3 times a year after that, and now I gave it up completely. As it turns out they all still live at home and don't work. They always have been losers and always will be. For as much as I drank it was easy for me to quit. I didn't stuggle when I did it either. From that day forward I have always/will always see people with addictions as weak people. It's a fact. Another fact is I'm not weak! I'm waaay stronger than any drug. I stand by my opinion. I could never get addicted to anything even if the shit was injected in my body. As I already stated. It's mind over matter, and my mind is more powerful than any drug. |
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12-13-2003, 07:45 PM | #50 (permalink) | |
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