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feelgood · 12-12-2003, 08:34 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/12/12/ch....ap/index.html

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NEW BRUNSWICK, New Jersey (AP)
An 11-year-old boy has pleaded guilty to kidnapping and murdering a 3-year-old, admitting he beat the toddler with a baseball bat and dumped him face down in a drainage ditch.

Aaron Kean, who was 10 at the time of the crime, told a judge Thursday that he brutalized the youngster because the boy was bothering him and wanted to use his scooter, people who attended the closed juvenile proceeding told The Star-Ledger of Newark.

Kean, of Woodbridge, could get up to 20 years in custody at sentencing Friday. He is expected to be sent out of state to a specialized children's mental health facility.

Authorities said Kean lured Amir Beeks from a library in March before beating the boy in a backyard playhouse and leaving him face down in shallow water with his pants down, leading to an initial sexual assault charge. The child died the next day at a hospital.

The sexual assault charge and weapons charges were dismissed, though under state law Kean could be put on a criminal registry under Megan's Law for kidnapping.

Authorities have described Kean as a deeply troubled youth who repeatedly fought with neighborhood children and was expelled from two schools.

The state Division of Youth and Family Services found that Kean's father, Kurt, physically abused him in 2001, but did not remove the boy from his home. Kurt Kean has denied the charge.

Amir's adoptive mother, Rosalyn Singleton, has sued the child welfare agency for neglecting Aaron Kean. The agency's commissioner resigned last week following a string of high-profile child abuse cases in families that were under state supervision.

What's next? Baby killin another baby. Jeez, the world is going to hell!

krwlz · 12-12-2003, 08:40 AM

The world is indeed going to hell. Humanity sickens me at times...

lurkette · 12-12-2003, 09:28 AM

Budding psychopath. Sigh. Sad, but it's probably too late for him. If he's been the victim of abuse up till now, and is fucking beating the brains out of 3-year-olds, the brain circuitry and cognitive groundwork is probably all laid down. He's either going to be a serial offender or a permanent prisoner. Primo evidence of why some people shouldn't have children, fuck them up, and then unleash them on the rest of us.

feelgood · 12-12-2003, 09:31 AM

I ain't interested in having children.

One reason: I'm not looking forward to see my homidical baby who crawled out of the crib and strangle me to death.

I got other reason, the above is just dumb obviously...

Elegant Holmes · 12-12-2003, 09:34 AM

lurkette, I too blame the parents. I don't think a child of that age is capable of the responsibility we expect from an adult. I would never have been allowed to pants someone, and was supervised by my mother or father.

Bloodslick · 12-12-2003, 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by lurkette
Budding psychopath. Sigh. Sad, but it's probably too late for him. If he's been the victim of abuse up till now, and is fucking beating the brains out of 3-year-olds, the brain circuitry and cognitive groundwork is probably all laid down.

Pretty much echoes my thoughts and feelings on the subject. There shouldn't be any leniency in this case, in my opinion. This sort of behavior at such an early age doesn't speak well to hope of recovery. Just set this one aside, out of the human gene pool, and try to let the rest of us get on with life.

Elegant Holmes · 12-12-2003, 10:03 AM

I say jail the parents, but not together.

raeanna74 · 12-12-2003, 10:34 AM

I hate seeing kids going through these things. That boy needs to get plenty of punishment for what he did. He commited a crime that is usually only committed by adults - he should be punished as severely. It's sad that there was abuse known of in his home and no one did anything about it. That poor little 3 yr old. Where were his parents though? I don't let my daughter go out to play without me being free to stay outside or at least at a window watching and listening. I would expect to at least hear his crying.

I had some neighbors 2 summers ago where the children were in sad shape. The 8 yr old was going to counseling for being sexually molested and apparently molesting his next younger sister.

At one time when they were living here he went over to a friend's house - the mother of whom I was fairly close with. She happened to walk in on the boys in her son's bedroom, in the dark, under the sheets, and this 8 yr old was saying "take off your pants I want to show you something". She brought the kid home ASAP and spoke to the mother. Never allowed them to play together again. This boy and his two sisters had played with my child but only when I was present and playing WITH them. I never went to do my own thing. I sat there on my patio while they drew with chalk on the sidewalk or played in the yard with them. I was right there in the middle. I did not allow his to play with my daughter at all after that unless they were all there and they were all right under my nose.

This little 3 yr old would never have been hurt had he had a parent there. 10 yrs old isn't old enough to be left alone either let alone with a younger child. Both sets of parents were not as responsible as they should have been at the very least. The father of the 10 yr old should have consequences as well. He started this circle.

Averett · 12-12-2003, 10:51 AM

This makes me sick.

Midnight_Son · 12-12-2003, 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by krwlz
The world is indeed going to hell. Humanity sickens me at times...

I don’t think it’s getting any worse than it’s ever been in the past. We just live in a time that this type of information is more readily available to the general public. For instance, I never would have known about This had you not posted this thread.
The world isn’t getting worse, we’re getting better informed.

bermuDa · 12-12-2003, 11:59 AM

i vote for the death penalty. Cruelty early on leads to cruelty later on. He'll just graduate to bigger prey. When he comes out of prison in 20 years, will he be a changed person? no, he'll still be a 10 year old with 20 years of institutionalization.

if we want to make the world a better place we have to start killing people like this who serve no purpose in society other than to boil our blood over their actions and provide our fucked-up reformatory prison system with something to chew on. QUIT WASTING OUR TAX DOLLARS ON SHIT LIKE THIS!

feelgood · 12-12-2003, 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by bermuDa
QUIT WASTING OUR TAX DOLLARS ON SHIT LIKE THIS!

Damn straight!

Phaenx · 12-12-2003, 12:16 PM

Yes, I propose we solve both this problem and the energy problem by inventing a "murderer-combustable engine."

World's King · 12-12-2003, 12:56 PM

It's good that he is caught doin' this now and not when he's in his 20s and tearing up hookers in his basement. He still has a chance to be a normal member of society. Unless he really his that sick.

timalkin · 12-12-2003, 01:41 PM

This is all just a sign of the times we now live in. Parents don't teach their kids right from wrong, but they expect government to do it for them. Life is not seen as something precious but rather something that can be destroyed simply because it pisses you off. Unwed mothers suck down our tax dollars, casual sex is glorified by the media, and the government is slowly but surely taking our most basic rights away.

Anybody remember ancient Rome?

gabshu · 12-12-2003, 02:39 PM

I think it'a a little cruel to give the death penalty to a little boy like this. And btw, it costs more to kill a person than to have them in jail for life. It's so sad this little kid hasn't even really started life and he's now spoiled forever, if there was an effective justice system and this kid could be saved, that would give me hope, but there isn't. I hate to hear about things like these happening.

gabshu · 12-12-2003, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by timalkin
Anybody remember ancient Rome?

exactly what about ancient Rome are you refering to?

timalkin · 12-12-2003, 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by gabshu
exactly what about ancient Rome are you refering to?

I was referring to the fact that the social bonds that held the society together were ripped apart, basic morals regarding sex, religion, etc. were thrown out, the state was relied on more and more, etc.

It is also disturbing that the Romans had attackers knocking on the door, kind of like we have terrorists trying to bring about the downfall of this nation. Politicians became increasingly corrupt and the military was used to occupy the nation multiple times.

It is only a matter of time before posse comitatus is thrown out the window.

lurkette · 12-12-2003, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by timalkin
Unwed mothers suck down our tax dollars, casual sex is glorified by the media, and the government is slowly but surely taking our most basic rights away.

Anybody remember ancient Rome?

Overreact much?

One psychopathic kid hits the media and you're hollering about the downfall of society. I have news for you, but this shit has been going on as long as there have been humans. Cnor is right - the world's not really a worse place, we're just better informed about the shit that does happen. Tell me exactly which "good old days" you'd like to go back to, and I'd be happy to dig up the relevant historic dirt on the human race for you. Unwed mothers and casual sex indeed.

Xell101 · 12-12-2003, 05:34 PM

Yet they say there is nothing wrong with society, ha! This one may be a garden variety nut getting early experience but I garuntee the system's handling of this kid will be inadequate.

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Aaron Kean, who was 10 at the time of the crime, told a judge Thursday that he brutalized the youngster because the boy was bothering him and wanted to use his scooter

Rock bottom, no bullshit, that is the most depressing thing I've heard all month.

bermuDa · 12-12-2003, 06:00 PM

I know it costs more to execute someone than it does to put them in prison for life, but i have yet for anyone to break it down and explain WHY. incarceration costs something like 15-25k per year per prisoner... how can a shot cost more than a single year in prison, let alone a lifetime? And what's the purpose of these "humane" executions, when the people getting executed didn't extend that courtesy to their victims? I think cruel and unusual should only apply to people we aren't going to execute.

dnd · 12-12-2003, 06:17 PM

its a scary place where we live...

Phaenx · 12-12-2003, 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by bermuDa
I know it costs more to execute someone than it does to put them in prison for life, but i have yet for anyone to break it down and explain WHY. incarceration costs something like 15-25k per year per prisoner... how can a shot cost more than a single year in prison, let alone a lifetime? And what's the purpose of these "humane" executions, when the people getting executed didn't extend that courtesy to their victims? I think cruel and unusual should only apply to people we aren't going to execute.

Most of it is court costs because of all the appeals. They could cut that crap out and take the worthless sack of crap from the courtroom to a cliff and be done with it, but no, we have to do it the dumb way.

sixate · 12-13-2003, 04:26 AM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
Yes, I propose we solve both this problem and the energy problem by inventing a "murderer-combustable engine."

Great idea! Maybe we should get together and invent it ourselves.

wannabenakid247 · 12-13-2003, 11:23 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cnor
[B] I don’t think it’s getting any worse than it’s ever been in the past. We just live in a time that this type of information is more readily available to the general public.

Thats what i think. This shit always went on, i mean abuse and stuff. Its just more readily talked about and publicised now.

timalkin · 12-13-2003, 11:42 AM

Would anybody dispute that the basic social unit, the family, has lost importance in the last 30 years?

Many children have no authority figures in their lives to teach them right from wrong. That's bad news for the long term survival of any population.

gabshu · 12-13-2003, 11:42 AM

There is a reason why there is a justice system in the US. If we forgo all it involves (yes the ridiculous appeals and all that stuff included), then we are no better than the people that commit these crimes. There are many nations in the world where justice is not respected, and America stands out as an example to them (well, theoretically).

My point is that you can't just throw someone down a cliff and call that justice. And it really makes me so sad that it's a little boy whose life is ruined forever.

12-12-2003, 09:28 AM	#3 (permalink)
lurkette My future is coming on Moderator Emeritus Location: east of the sun and west of the moon	Budding psychopath. Sigh. Sad, but it's probably too late for him. If he's been the victim of abuse up till now, and is fucking beating the brains out of 3-year-olds, the brain circuitry and cognitive groundwork is probably all laid down. He's either going to be a serial offender or a permanent prisoner. Primo evidence of why some people shouldn't have children, fuck them up, and then unleash them on the rest of us. __________________ "If ten million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing." - Anatole France

12-12-2003, 09:31 AM	#4 (permalink)
feelgood Free Mars! Location: I dunno, there's white people around me saying "eh" all the time	I ain't interested in having children. One reason: I'm not looking forward to see my homidical baby who crawled out of the crib and strangle me to death. I got other reason, the above is just dumb obviously... __________________ Looking out the window, that's an act of war. Staring at my shoes, that's an act of war. Committing an act of war? Oh you better believe that's an act of war

12-12-2003, 10:34 AM	#8 (permalink)
raeanna74 I'm not a blonde! I'm knot! I'm knot! I'm knot! Location: Upper Michigan	I hate seeing kids going through these things. That boy needs to get plenty of punishment for what he did. He commited a crime that is usually only committed by adults - he should be punished as severely. It's sad that there was abuse known of in his home and no one did anything about it. That poor little 3 yr old. Where were his parents though? I don't let my daughter go out to play without me being free to stay outside or at least at a window watching and listening. I would expect to at least hear his crying. I had some neighbors 2 summers ago where the children were in sad shape. The 8 yr old was going to counseling for being sexually molested and apparently molesting his next younger sister. At one time when they were living here he went over to a friend's house - the mother of whom I was fairly close with. She happened to walk in on the boys in her son's bedroom, in the dark, under the sheets, and this 8 yr old was saying "take off your pants I want to show you something". She brought the kid home ASAP and spoke to the mother. Never allowed them to play together again. This boy and his two sisters had played with my child but only when I was present and playing WITH them. I never went to do my own thing. I sat there on my patio while they drew with chalk on the sidewalk or played in the yard with them. I was right there in the middle. I did not allow his to play with my daughter at all after that unless they were all there and they were all right under my nose. This little 3 yr old would never have been hurt had he had a parent there. 10 yrs old isn't old enough to be left alone either let alone with a younger child. Both sets of parents were not as responsible as they should have been at the very least. The father of the 10 yr old should have consequences as well. He started this circle. __________________ "Always learn the rules so that you can break them properly." Dalai Lama My Karma just ran over your Dogma.

12-12-2003, 10:51 AM	#9 (permalink)
Averett Is In Love Location: I'm workin' on it	This makes me sick. __________________ Absence is to love what wind is to fire. It extinguishes the small, it enkindles the great.

12-12-2003, 11:59 AM	#11 (permalink)
bermuDa don't ignore this--> Location: CA	i vote for the death penalty. Cruelty early on leads to cruelty later on. He'll just graduate to bigger prey. When he comes out of prison in 20 years, will he be a changed person? no, he'll still be a 10 year old with 20 years of institutionalization. if we want to make the world a better place we have to start killing people like this who serve no purpose in society other than to boil our blood over their actions and provide our fucked-up reformatory prison system with something to chew on. QUIT WASTING OUR TAX DOLLARS ON SHIT LIKE THIS! __________________ I am the very model of a moderator gentleman.

12-12-2003, 08:40 AM	#2 (permalink)
krwlz Fledgling Dead Head Location: Clarkson U.	The world is indeed going to hell. Humanity sickens me at times...

12-12-2003, 09:34 AM	#5 (permalink)
Elegant Holmes Crazy Location: "TX"	lurkette, I too blame the parents. I don't think a child of that age is capable of the responsibility we expect from an adult. I would never have been allowed to pants someone, and was supervised by my mother or father.

12-12-2003, 10:03 AM	#7 (permalink)
Elegant Holmes Crazy Location: "TX"	I say jail the parents, but not together.

12-12-2003, 12:16 PM	#13 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Yes, I propose we solve both this problem and the energy problem by inventing a "murderer-combustable engine." __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

12-12-2003, 12:56 PM	#14 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	It's good that he is caught doin' this now and not when he's in his 20s and tearing up hookers in his basement. He still has a chance to be a normal member of society. Unless he really his that sick. __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

12-12-2003, 01:41 PM	#15 (permalink)
timalkin Addict Location: watching from the treeline	This is all just a sign of the times we now live in. Parents don't teach their kids right from wrong, but they expect government to do it for them. Life is not seen as something precious but rather something that can be destroyed simply because it pisses you off. Unwed mothers suck down our tax dollars, casual sex is glorified by the media, and the government is slowly but surely taking our most basic rights away. Anybody remember ancient Rome?

12-12-2003, 02:39 PM	#16 (permalink)
gabshu Psycho Location: The capital of the free world??	I think it'a a little cruel to give the death penalty to a little boy like this. And btw, it costs more to kill a person than to have them in jail for life. It's so sad this little kid hasn't even really started life and he's now spoiled forever, if there was an effective justice system and this kid could be saved, that would give me hope, but there isn't. I hate to hear about things like these happening. __________________ Go Kool Aid. OH YEAAHH http://www.retrocrush.com/archive2003/koolaid/ Last edited by gabshu; 12-13-2003 at 11:58 AM..

12-12-2003, 06:00 PM	#21 (permalink)
bermuDa don't ignore this--> Location: CA	I know it costs more to execute someone than it does to put them in prison for life, but i have yet for anyone to break it down and explain WHY. incarceration costs something like 15-25k per year per prisoner... how can a shot cost more than a single year in prison, let alone a lifetime? And what's the purpose of these "humane" executions, when the people getting executed didn't extend that courtesy to their victims? I think cruel and unusual should only apply to people we aren't going to execute. __________________ I am the very model of a moderator gentleman.

12-12-2003, 06:17 PM	#22 (permalink)
dnd Psycho Location: London...no longer a student	its a scary place where we live... __________________ "Never underestimate a dumb question"-- Brandon Boyd

12-13-2003, 11:23 AM	#25 (permalink)
wannabenakid247 Registered User Location: Wales, UK	[QUOTE]Originally posted by cnor [B] I don’t think it’s getting any worse than it’s ever been in the past. We just live in a time that this type of information is more readily available to the general public. Thats what i think. This shit always went on, i mean abuse and stuff. Its just more readily talked about and publicised now.

12-13-2003, 11:42 AM	#26 (permalink)
timalkin Addict Location: watching from the treeline	Would anybody dispute that the basic social unit, the family, has lost importance in the last 30 years? Many children have no authority figures in their lives to teach them right from wrong. That's bad news for the long term survival of any population.

12-13-2003, 11:42 AM	#27 (permalink)
gabshu Psycho Location: The capital of the free world??	There is a reason why there is a justice system in the US. If we forgo all it involves (yes the ridiculous appeals and all that stuff included), then we are no better than the people that commit these crimes. There are many nations in the world where justice is not respected, and America stands out as an example to them (well, theoretically). My point is that you can't just throw someone down a cliff and call that justice. And it really makes me so sad that it's a little boy whose life is ruined forever. __________________ Go Kool Aid. OH YEAAHH http://www.retrocrush.com/archive2003/koolaid/ Last edited by gabshu; 12-13-2003 at 11:55 AM..