tokaok

should gay men go to womens washroom and lesbain go to the mens, or should there be another set of two added.
of course we could all go to a unisex washroom.

i bring this up cause i read an old article about the boys at some highschool asking that one gay student(male) annouce himself before entering. they said that since he was gay they would feel uncomfortable with him around while they were semi nude, much like girls didnt seem to happy to have boys in their change room getting excited over them as they changed.

sry cant post the link to article as it was a cut out from some paper a friend passed along to me.

SecretMethod70

Assuming that the reason for seperate washrooms is to avoid uncomfortable sexual attraction/exposure, etc....

There is only one "solution" to this problem, and that is unisex washrooms, locker rooms, and everything else. The current situation lacks consistancy, but it does address the largest factor (that men and women are attracted to each other.)

Having a seperate washroom for homosexuals does not help the situation because a homosexual male in the bathroom with another homosecual male has the same likelihood for attraction as a heterosexual male in the bathroom with a female.

So, we either leave it like it is and accept that, while the current system is flawed it does address the most significant side of the issue, or we learn to move towards unisex bathrooms.

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World's King

That would be sweet.


I would so go into the gay men's room. Just think of how good it would look and smell. I'm all about it.

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Midnight_Son

I'd go in there too, think of the fasion tips

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Yep, you could walk in scroungy and dirty, and walk out in-fashion and exfolliated. I'm for it! Seriously, I don't think gay washrooms would be such a great idea. Having separate rooms for different people would be discrimination of sorts, and I would no doubt count on a significant number of homosexuals that would protest this course of action. I say if you're male, use the male washroom. Same for females. It's all about personal responsibility here, for straights and gays. People learn to be adults sooner or later.

rogue49

Who the fuck announces he's gay before entering?
He's not concerned, he's looking for attention.

Geez...go in, do your thing, and go out.

It's not like men have extensive conversations in there.
We hardly look at each other at times.

If you can whip it out, go into one room
If you always sit down, go into the other room
Simple

SabrinaFair

I've peed in too many guys bathrooms to ever want to share a bathroom with one....

But seriously...seperate washroom for gays? Bad idea. I mean, even if they're attracted to other guys, are they really going to make a move on them while taking a piss?

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sexymama

Do the hetrosexual males announce they are entering the restroom prior to entering just in case a gay male is present? After all, the gay man may be uncomortable around the hetro. This is definitely descriminatory and not okay!

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And that, friends, is why the idea of unisex bathrooms is doomed to fail

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I say seperate changing rooms are out.

Unisex toilets are the best and modern way forward.

MSD

So, we switch to unisex bathrooms and lose our one refuge from the tyranny of those who would glue down the toilet seat if they could

If there's a gay guy standing next to me taking a piss, how would I know? I know gay guys, and none of them are going to jump on me against my will

lurkette

This is the dumbest idea I've heard in a long time.

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water_boy1999

What's the dumbest idea?

I have thought about this topic on several occasions. I have asked both males and females about it, straight and gay. I still have not figured out a scenario that would work.

I offer a different side to it. I workout in the mornings at 4:30am. At that time in my gym, there is quite a large population of gay men there. I know because my ass cheeks are usually getting warm...just kidding. Really though. I do feel like a piece of meat sometimes. I used to shower there in the morning because of convenience, but I have since stopped because of a few instances where I was really uncomfortable. They have open shower stalls and as I turned around one day while under the water, there were 2 gays guys across from me totally checking my out while I showered. On another occasion, I caught some guy peeking around the corner, staring at some other guy as be bent over to dry himself.

Most straight women I have talked to about this have said they would feel totally uncomfortable if they had unisex bathrooms, primarily because they feel their privacy is being undermined. All of these women, however, have said that it is different for gays in a men's bathroom. It is NO different. When I look around and see 2 guys staring at my ass, it is my privacy that is being violated. Women say, "well, just don't shower there then." Well, I respond by saying, "do unisex bathrooms and if you don't like it, YOU don't shower there then."

I have also talked to gay men about this. The last guy I spoke with had the hots for me and actually told me, and I qoute, "Do all of us gay men a favor and shower there more often." So, even if we don't know that someone is gay, it is still the idea of having my privacy compromised that unisex bathrooms would work better than having exclusive bathrooms for gays.

BentNotTwisted

Living in America, the only unisex bathroom I've ever encountered was the single seat type where everyone waited their turn outside and each person using the room had complete privacy. I don't have any problem with that situation.
I feel comfortable enough with my sexuality that I don't worry about having to share a public bathroom with a gay man. He can do all the checking out he wants, he's not gonna get any from me. It's a place to relieve myself, that's all.

lurkette

Having gay washrooms is the dumbest idea. Please, like taking a pee/crap is sexy. (At least to most people it's not.) I don't think I'd be bothered by a unisex bathroom as long as the urinals were discreetly hidden away. You don't see anything, really.

The situation you describe is a locker room - a much different scenario. If you don't like being checked out, talk to your gym about having more private showers, or get un/dressed in private. I don't mean to make this your problem - their behavior is over the line, imho - but I don't like getting dressed or undressed in the women's locker room, not because of sexual issues (hell, I like to look!) but because I feel a bit self-conscious about my body - cellulite here, a little more fat there than I'd like, and I don't like the idea of being judged. So I go use the private dressing room.

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water_boy1999

I agree, but that wasn't my point. The double standard that exists when we discuss gender specific restrooms/locker rooms vs. sexual orientation specific rooms was the point I was trying to make. I have made my choice to not shower there, but when I have the conversations with different people on this topic, their opinions vary greatly on possible solutions.

Kaos

Just be flattered that gay men find you attactive. Probably means you are just as attractive to the women-folk as well. Don't worry about it unless one actually hits on you. Calmly tell him that you aren't gay, not interested, and the news of your heterosexual preference will spread like wildfire through the small gay gym-member society.

Women have put up with this for ages. Men they wouldn't want any attention from still give them the unwanted attention, and they have lived with it just fine.

feelgood

Just plain stupid idea.

If that happens, can everybody say "History Repeats"? Think the 60s where they had seperate washroom for whites and blacks, same for water foundtion, etc etc...

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Wow. I thought this thread wasn't serious. I'm disappointed to see that I was wrong :\ I really don't understand why some people are so uncomfortable around homosexuals.

krwlz

I dont really care who sees my dick... Unless you have permission, hands off, and im cool with it.

SecretMethod70

It IS a stupid idea - because it doesn't solve any problem. For example, I'm sure that some of my shy friends who happen to be gay would not enjoy going to a washroom where they were surrounded by people who might be attracted to them.

Again, that's why, if there's going to be any change at all, the only one that makes sense is for everyone to accept that everyone may be attracted to anyone else and that it's just a part of life and just have unisex bathrooms under the premise that every sensible person will respect the other's right to comfort and privacy.

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onodrim

I think its a bad idea to make a separate homosexual bathroom. I think it would only upset the homosexual community and make them more uncomfortable anyway. Besides, like others have already pointed out, the bathroom isn't exactly a social hotspot. You go in, do your thing and leave. I'm not too concerned about getting to close to someone in the two minutes that I'm in there.

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skier

That people are taking this seriously is dissapointing to me as well. Forcing homosexuals to go to different bathrooms is clear discrimination against them. If gay men have to go to different washrooms, why not have people that don't wash thier hands after they pee go to a different washroom?
It would be difficult to enforce and is absolutley unnessesary- gay men don't hang around in bathrooms hoping to catch a glimpse of another man's dick so they can jack off to it later. It's not like when you whip it out they are going to "get you". Please.
There is way too much homophobia in our society...

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SecretMethod70

Agreed. And it's reasonable to say, I think, that heterosexual men wouldn't do that if women shared the same bathroom. Yet, there are seperate bathrooms. I fail to see the difference in discrimination. It's just that we're all used to the other. Why is it any less discriminatory to have male/female washrooms so that men/women don't feel uncomfortable around the opposite sex than it is to have gay/lesbian washrooms so that men/women don't feel uncomfortable around people who may have an attraction to them.

Seperate washrooms for homosexuals are a TERRIBLE idea - but it's no more discriminatory of an idea than the current layout is. It just holds a different stigma.

I'm not saying there ought to be unisex washrooms on the basis of it being discriminatory concerning sex, but I'm saying that it's the only CONSISTANT solution if people are going to get up in arms about discrimination based on sexuality.

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EleqTrizi'T

So what you're saying is there is no real situation that is going to be more accepted or liked than the one we have? So then leave it alone. The current bathroom system works plenty.

Heh I laughed out loud.

Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I've had to experience a lot of the same at the gym where I workout, as well.

The fact is, this behavior does NOT suddenly become acceptable because you're in a locker room. This is still sexual harassment. Plus, even if you are not the target, having to watch gay men lear and perhaps touch either other is wrong.

Fact is, if a straight man was left to wonder around the women's locker room with no consequences, there is a good chance he'd display the same behavior. It's typical Male BS, and should be dealt with as such regardless of it being a straight man or gay man.

Either way say something, or make the gym do something about it. The gym HAS to do something about it, or you can press sexual harassment lawsuits against them if no steps are being taken.

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Just don't ask for the facial...

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pocon1

Congressman Barney Frank's old partner Herb used to work at my health club in DC. One time I asked him if anyone did it for him (if he liked looking at anyone), and he said in his deep voice, "No, no one is manly enough here". This was a guy who had short hair, a beard, about 10% bodyfat, and drove a mustang GT convertible. I remember he started working out at a very gay gym called Results, and a few times he started bringing a workout buddy to our club. Eventually he left Barney, probably with this yonger guy. He was a man's man, though. Deep voice, fast car, solid build. He used to tell me about the Eagle, a notorious leather bar where you would get thrown out physically if you were not dressed appropriately. And no, he never hit on me, he knew my position(and it was not under him), and he realized that I could talk and listen without being judgemental and weirded out. I just wanted to hear how the other side lived.

MacGnG

agreed.

they are not going to look at or touch you in the bathroom just cause they are gay.

monkeysugar

I couldnt agree with you more. The way I look at it, guys are generaly pretty damn picky when it comes to looks. If a gay guy thinks I'm hot, right on. I'm flattered. There seems to be an overwhelming stereotype in our society that all gay men are out to jump anyone or anything with a dick. I've been hit on by gay people before, politely informed them that I am straight, and that was the end of that. No big deal, really. Gay friends are a lot of fun to have anyway.

So maybe the dude pissing next to you in the bathroom is gay. Maybe he isn't. Either way he probably doesn't care about your dick...he's just peeing.

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I used to wonder about this but I think having a seperation of gays just means that that there are still so many un accepting and prejudice people. I think the only way to get rid of racism, and prejudice is to bring everyone together and remind them we are all the same.

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Evil Milkman

Agreed, but is easier said than done. Unfortuanetly, there will always be people who are closed minded and have an irrational hate for someone who has different values or skin color than themselves.

Gman

Just put front stall doors on all the showers and toilets.

Problem solved.

analog

Unisex bathrooms are the only way to go. If you want to go in the direction of public changing rooms, then fine- have two seperate changing rooms where male and female, seperately, can change because of nudity (privacy) issues- but if all you're doing is going to the bathroom, then it makes no fuckign difference who is in the next stall.

Of course, to even consider your idea, as horrible as it is, we'd have to assume that everyone is either strictly gay, or strictly straight. Hmmmmmm.... fucking labels.

lurkette

So sensible! Are you sure you belong here?

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thedrake

if your that concerned about someone seeing you naked take a shower at home

ironman

Couldn´t agree more.

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Dwarf020

meh, just accept that the current system is flawed. who cares. it's not like there arent little walled off areas (aka toilets) you can use, if your that uptight about pissing where somebody could concivably be able to see, if you're male.

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Skettios

I like things the way they are.

I find it extremely amusing that people refer to the system is flawed... does that mean that some of you seriously have a problem with this issue?

First of all... I would much rather have a gay man see my cock than a straight woman. Don't assume the obvious here, just know that being watched by a woman could lead to arousal which makes it hard to pee.

Secondly, what if there were gay and straight bathrooms. Who says anyone will use the one they are supposed to? I mean bathrooms right now are essentially honor system. How would the homophobes keep gays out of their bathroom. You'd have to identify them beforehand, and I would never allow that, it's a violation of every personal freedom we hold dear.

Seriously, there's no reason to be afraid of gays, unless deep down you are afraid that you might be gay. Life will be much simpler when everyone just gets over the issue of homosexuality.

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macro

Why should sexual preference determine where you should pee?

For the record, I like unisex toilets. More interesting, you mingle meet and swap more germs.