adult bookstore protestor gets hosed - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

WhoaitsZ · 10-31-2003, 11:01 AM

http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.as...8&nav=0RZEIorC

Adult Bookstore Employee Hoses Down Camera-Toting Protester
Porn Protester Hosed: James Zambroski Reports

By James Zambroski

(LOUISVILLE, October 30th, 2003, 10:30 a.m.) -- A battle over adult businesses heated up Wednesday night at an adult bookstore on Fern Valley Road when store employees hosed down a protester taping customers entering and leaving the business. WAVE 3 Investigator James Zambroski was there.

John Reneer is part of an anti-rape group. At the core of the group are victims of sexual assault who say adult businesses foster violence against women, so they're trying to shut them down by setting up a website (www.war-line.com) and posting pictures of people as they exit adult businesses.

Reneer and others have been adding photographs to the website for several weeks. Wednesday night, seated in a lawn chair outside the adult business on Fern Valley Road, Reneer explained how he had brought along lights to illuminate the business "so I can get a better camera shot."

He readily admits he hopes to shut down the businesses by humiliating customers and driving away other potential customers. "The ultimate goal would be to close them down if we can. They can't operate without customers."

Simple economics. And simple freedom. "I'm not restraining their trade," Reneer said. "We're not blocking anybody, we're not doing anything wrong. We have a right to be here. They have a right to be over there. We have a right to be over here if we want to be."

Naturally, the store's manager, Michelle, sees it differently. "He's running at people, at customers, trying to run them away. He's on our property, which is over there, our property line. And we can't get him off until I get the warrant."

Michelle explained that "this is just a normal business. We sell things just like any other store sells -- we sell movies. That's our main thing, movies and DVDs. Yes, we have adult novelties, but it is an adult store."

But then, one store employee found his own way to fight the protesters, spraying Reneer -- and his camera -- with a garden hose. Reneer never got up from his seat as he was being sprayed, nor did he stop taping. Meanwhile, Reneer's companion called police.

The guy with the hose left in a hurry, just minutes before Metro Police showed up. If caught, he could be charged with a misdemeanor. Reneer will have to swear out a warrant against the employee if he wants anything to happen, and he says he will be happy to do that.

It wasn't immediately clear whether or not Reneer's $800 digital video camera sustained any water damage, but he did tell us he was able to use it to try to get the license number of the man who sprayed him.

The store manager plans to file a lawsuit against the protesters.

-----------------------------------------

killer

scary thing is....... that sounds like something i would do! (spray the whiners)

phredgreen · 10-31-2003, 11:02 AM

*thread title changed to something that describes the thread better than "HAHAHAH"*

Fallon · 10-31-2003, 11:05 AM

They're cause is noble, but is misguided. Because I look at porn and want to visit a porn shop doesn't mean I'm going to go around and sexually abuse someone. Also, wouldn't that be illegal to take someones picture and post it online without their express permission. Oh well, I think we should start taking pictures of morons and post them on a site that says don't procreate with this person as they are... and put whatever after.

yournamehere · 10-31-2003, 11:12 AM

Yeah - I saw this on <i>Fark</i> today - I went to W.A.R.L.I.N.E.'s web site and left them a short, respectful note basically saying I felt it absurd that they find a causal relationship between porn and rape, and this kind of publicity is hurting an otherwise noble cause.

mb99usa · 10-31-2003, 11:13 AM

He stands behind his freedom to take pictures of people entering and leaving the business, but does not think the owner should have the freedom to run their store.

Somewhere the meaning of freedom is lost. He should be forced to prove that the people shopping in the store are the ones committing the crimes he claims to be trying to stop. If he has no proof then he should be the one facing charges of slander against the owner.

I hate hearing about people like this.

WhoaitsZ · 10-31-2003, 02:34 PM

-poke phredgreen in ribs. "HHAHAHAHA" fit perfectly :P-

what they should do is this:

ask every customer, if they aren't too embaressed, to tell the guy trying to boycott exactly what they bought and why.

it may do no good but i know some nutjobs can't handle hearing it very long.

there is a lot of bad shit out that makes me think 'this isn't right'.. i see his point, but he is largely misguided.

to compare porn to rape is like comparing a toy BB gun to an uzi

(ok, bad analogy. i couldn't think of one)

spived2 · 10-31-2003, 03:11 PM

You would think adult videos would help prevent sexual assault considering most people that buy them use them for masterbation purposes or what have you.

monty121052 · 11-01-2003, 07:35 AM

If adult videos ect encouraged sexual assault most of us who surf the net would be potental rapist or what ever,although I do think that violent movies desesitises some people to the stage that dont realise how dangerous thier actions can be.

Halx · 11-01-2003, 08:39 AM

It just goes to show how ignorant some people are. I think I can type this over and over in a lot of stuff posted here.

raeanna74 · 11-01-2003, 10:57 AM

That would make me so irate as the owner of the store.

Back when my grandmother had a floral shop there was an adult bookstore that moved in next door. She spoke against it at a city meeting asserting that it would draw a somewhat different type of clientel and affect her business. That was all she did. She made her statement. When they moved in she spoke to them on polite terms. Never criticised and when there was a small fire upstairs she helped them store a few things in her basement until they were able to do the repairs. My experience with them was - the owner was just a man running a business. He was polite and friendly and a decent person. It did somewhat change the clientel that my grandmother dealt with but not enough to seriously hurt her business.

The employee was obviously frustrated but he did not help his owner by hosing the protestor. I'm surprised that they don't accuse this man of invasion of privacy - taking peoples pictures. I wonder if they could get some signatures from their clients in protest of the protestor? lol However I hope he gets his ass kicked for harrassing people. Good luck to the owner.

JStrider · 11-01-2003, 11:33 AM

i hope his camera doesnt work anymore...
just plain out being an asshole...

if you read the guys site he sounds almost like a kid making fun of people... saying some guy uses his big black car to scare women and whatnot.... this guy needs to get a life...

MSD · 11-01-2003, 10:23 PM

It is an indisputable fact that the availability of adult materials and th elegality of prostitution reduce, not increase, the number of sex-related crimes committed including rape, harassment, and even pedophilia. We've known it for the past 30 years.

krwlz · 11-05-2003, 06:49 PM

Does he have a legal right to take a picture of me? Im not positive, but I'm pretty surethat he doesn't. I would go there and press charges just because if I lived around there.

Snakebyt · 11-05-2003, 07:05 PM

when i worked at an adult bookstore, we had some church group try and protest and walk around outside trying to keep customers from coming in.. so i stood outside and advertised free video rentals for the rest of the day

they were not too happy about that

dragon2fire · 11-05-2003, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Snakebyt
when i worked at an adult bookstore, we had some church group try and protest and walk around outside trying to keep customers from coming in.. so i stood outside and advertised free video rentals for the rest of the day

they were not too happy about that

i like it great way to handle that kind of thing

other then that what halx said

Regziever · 11-05-2003, 10:15 PM

Is there no law in US against posting pictures of people on the net, without their written consent?

Macheath · 11-05-2003, 11:01 PM

The irony of all this? - Two of the eleven people on their stupid webpage "busted" for going to adult bookstores are women.

Mephisto2 · 11-05-2003, 11:41 PM

How is that ironic?

analog · 11-06-2003, 12:09 AM

If it's anything like filming for TV and movie, he may or may not be ok. It depends on how well represented each face is, if they're readily identifiable, and what kind of scope. If there is a wide enough angle and enough people in the shot, it's outside of legal problems because it's a "crowd". If, however, he's shooting or FOLLOWING or otherwise singling people out with the camera, each person, then he's fucked. You can't do that without written permission. It's about image rights, not privacy. (some details might be fuzzy but i'm pretty sure that's all accurate)

Macheath · 11-06-2003, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr Mephisto
How is that ironic?

Um, because the website suggests that the people who go to adult shops are all rapists.

Mephisto2 · 11-06-2003, 03:52 AM

Believe it or not, women can commit rape too.

Mr Mephisto

Macheath · 11-06-2003, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr Mephisto
Believe it or not, women can commit rape too.

Mr Mephisto

I do indeed believe it; but websites like this one would never believe or talk about such a concept. The irony is in the way their photopage contradicts THEIR message, not in what WE know to be a real phenomenon.

thejoker130 · 11-06-2003, 04:53 AM

I checked out the website and the only thing i could think was: Can this be legal?

Jimbob666 · 11-06-2003, 09:59 AM

There are far better ways to work toward what is admittedly a good cause. Preventing violence toward women is a noble goal, but it's painful to see people doing stupid things to further causes I believe in. When will activists realize that alienating potential supporters is stupid?

WhoaitsZ · 11-06-2003, 12:23 PM

This is how I see it:

This guy wants desperatly to do something to lower crimes of a sexual manner. He is highly misguided because he is doing half of a problem and using the answer to it as the whole sollution.

the guy is obviously not thinking clearly.

he is also dabbling in psychology and that can be downright dangerous. he sees this as a way to stop possible rape. i guess he thinks that if you are seen by him and his ghouniess that you will abruptly quit viewing porn, feel ashamed, and never masturbate or fuck again. because we all know masturbation leads to rape.

misguided idiot. an asshole with good intentions is still an asshole.

Eldaire · 11-06-2003, 12:26 PM

Heh, adult...hose...heh.

JStrider · 11-06-2003, 01:39 PM

http://www.thelouisvillechannel.com/...56/detail.html

so uh yah the guy running this site and taking the pictures is a convicted felon

Quote:

Convicted Felon Films Shoppers Visiting Local Adult Store
Man Claims Store Owners Have Tried Assaulting Him
LOUISVILLE -- Armed with determination and a digital camera, a local man is targeting customers of a local adult bookstore whose owners have become irate.

SURVEY
Should a local man be allowed to film shoppers at a local adult store and post their pictures on a Web site?
Yes
No

Results | Disclaimer

Purchasing pornography in Jefferson County is legal, but John Reneer is trying to shame some customers by photographing them from across the street, then publishing their pictures on his Web site, war-line.com.

Reneer has been targeting the store for nearly a week, and his motive may surprise you, WLKY NewsChannel 32's Maria Gum reported Monday. Reneer is a convicted felon, now on probation for armed robbery, sodomy and murder. Tuesday, he made it sound like he's learned from his punishment.

"I can't change what I've done," Reneer told Gum. "I'm not going to try and hide it. I'm just going to try to make a difference now."

In his campaign against porn, Reneer has spent plenty of time the last few days outside the store on Fern Valley Road, targeting those who buy magazines that promote the objectification of women, Gum reported.

"I'm not saying everybody that goes in there is going to come out a rapist," Reneer said. "I know that's not going to happen -- thank God -- but (porn) promotes it. They sell wrist restraints, and, you name it, they sell it."

Store owner Jeff Kleinhans said he's all for free speech, but what Renner is doing is wrong, Gum reported.

"When somebody wants to picket and protest, we deal with that," Kleinhans said. "That's fine. But when they start invading people's privacy by filming them and putting it on the Internet, they're crossing the line and inflicting emotional pain on somebody."

Reneer alleged that Kleinhans' business has been affected so adversely that things have become violent.

"We've had a big effect on them," Reneer said. "The owners have tried bribing me, scaring me, threatening me and assaulting me."

To protect his customers and keep Reneer off his property, Kleinhans said he had to install sprinklers and put up semi-trailers to block the camera's view, Gum reported.

"We've contained him to that corner, so he's still serving his purpose by filming people as they drive in and out," Kleinhans said.

Kleinhans added that considering his criminal record, Reneer himself poses more of a threat to society than any adult item in Kleinhans' store or those who frequent it.

Please follow WLKY NewsChannel 32 and TheLouisvilleChannel.com for updates to this story as they become available.

Peryn · 11-06-2003, 01:46 PM

You can be garaunteed if i lived their i would contact an attorney and find out what kind of actions i could take. I would then go and get my picture taken, casually going in and out....frequent the store even. Get my picture taken so much and have them post it on their webpage. I would then subpeona all their photos and file a class action lawsuit for defamation of character, liber/slander (whichever or both that are applicable), and any other claim. I would prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law. I would show no mercy and go for criminal charges as well as civil if possible. This kind of crap really pisses me off and should not be tolerated. He / she or whoever over at warline is a bully, pure and simply. We dont have to take that kind of abuse or shit from them. On their page they continually refer to patrons as sick, bastards, potential rapists, etc. They even name names of some people. I find this an insult to MY rights and i dont even live their. Grr....makes me very angry....

krwlz · 11-06-2003, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peryn
You can be garaunteed if i lived their i would contact an attorney and find out what kind of actions i could take. I would then go and get my picture taken, casually going in and out....frequent the store even. Get my picture taken so much and have them post it on their webpage. I would then subpeona all their photos and file a class action lawsuit for defamation of character, liber/slander (whichever or both that are applicable), and any other claim. I would prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law. I would show no mercy and go for criminal charges as well as civil if possible. This kind of crap really pisses me off and should not be tolerated. He / she or whoever over at warline is a bully, pure and simply. We dont have to take that kind of abuse or shit from them. On their page they continually refer to patrons as sick, bastards, potential rapists, etc. They even name names of some people. I find this an insult to MY rights and i dont even live their. Grr....makes me very angry....

What he said...

MEAD · 11-09-2003, 04:53 PM

Are not there any porn patron hackers to shut his site down? Seriously why doesn't someone just hack his site to hell?

10-31-2003, 11:01 AM	#1 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	HAHAHAH http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.as...8&nav=0RZEIorC Adult Bookstore Employee Hoses Down Camera-Toting Protester Porn Protester Hosed: James Zambroski Reports By James Zambroski (LOUISVILLE, October 30th, 2003, 10:30 a.m.) -- A battle over adult businesses heated up Wednesday night at an adult bookstore on Fern Valley Road when store employees hosed down a protester taping customers entering and leaving the business. WAVE 3 Investigator James Zambroski was there. John Reneer is part of an anti-rape group. At the core of the group are victims of sexual assault who say adult businesses foster violence against women, so they're trying to shut them down by setting up a website (www.war-line.com) and posting pictures of people as they exit adult businesses. Reneer and others have been adding photographs to the website for several weeks. Wednesday night, seated in a lawn chair outside the adult business on Fern Valley Road, Reneer explained how he had brought along lights to illuminate the business "so I can get a better camera shot." He readily admits he hopes to shut down the businesses by humiliating customers and driving away other potential customers. "The ultimate goal would be to close them down if we can. They can't operate without customers." Simple economics. And simple freedom. "I'm not restraining their trade," Reneer said. "We're not blocking anybody, we're not doing anything wrong. We have a right to be here. They have a right to be over there. We have a right to be over here if we want to be." Naturally, the store's manager, Michelle, sees it differently. "He's running at people, at customers, trying to run them away. He's on our property, which is over there, our property line. And we can't get him off until I get the warrant." Michelle explained that "this is just a normal business. We sell things just like any other store sells -- we sell movies. That's our main thing, movies and DVDs. Yes, we have adult novelties, but it is an adult store." But then, one store employee found his own way to fight the protesters, spraying Reneer -- and his camera -- with a garden hose. Reneer never got up from his seat as he was being sprayed, nor did he stop taping. Meanwhile, Reneer's companion called police. The guy with the hose left in a hurry, just minutes before Metro Police showed up. If caught, he could be charged with a misdemeanor. Reneer will have to swear out a warrant against the employee if he wants anything to happen, and he says he will be happy to do that. It wasn't immediately clear whether or not Reneer's $800 digital video camera sustained any water damage, but he did tell us he was able to use it to try to get the license number of the man who sprayed him. The store manager plans to file a lawsuit against the protesters. ----------------------------------------- killer scary thing is....... that sounds like something i would do! (spray the whiners)

10-31-2003, 11:02 AM	#2 (permalink)
phredgreen who? Location: the phoenix metro	thread title changed to something that describes the thread better than "HAHAHAH" __________________ My country is the world, and my religion is to do good. - Thomas Paine

10-31-2003, 11:12 AM	#4 (permalink)
yournamehere Invisible Location: tentative, at best	Yeah - I saw this on <i>Fark</i> today - I went to W.A.R.L.I.N.E.'s web site and left them a short, respectful note basically saying I felt it absurd that they find a causal relationship between porn and rape, and this kind of publicity is hurting an otherwise noble cause. __________________ If you want to avoid 95% of internet spelling errors: "If your ridiculous pants are too loose, you're definitely going to lose them. Tell your two loser friends over there that they're going to lose theirs, too." It won't hurt your fashion sense, either.

10-31-2003, 11:13 AM	#5 (permalink)
mb99usa Keep on rolling. It only hurts for a little while. Location: wherever I am	He stands behind his freedom to take pictures of people entering and leaving the business, but does not think the owner should have the freedom to run their store. Somewhere the meaning of freedom is lost. He should be forced to prove that the people shopping in the store are the ones committing the crimes he claims to be trying to stop. If he has no proof then he should be the one facing charges of slander against the owner. I hate hearing about people like this. __________________ So, what's your point? It's not an attitude, it's a way of life.

10-31-2003, 03:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
spived2 Desert Rat Location: Arizona	You would think adult videos would help prevent sexual assault considering most people that buy them use them for masterbation purposes or what have you. __________________ "This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is it vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished, as the once vital voice of the verisimilitude now venerates what they once vilified. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose vis-à-vis an introduction, and so it is my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V." - V

10-31-2003, 11:05 AM	#3 (permalink)
Fallon Junkie Location: RI	They're cause is noble, but is misguided. Because I look at porn and want to visit a porn shop doesn't mean I'm going to go around and sexually abuse someone. Also, wouldn't that be illegal to take someones picture and post it online without their express permission. Oh well, I think we should start taking pictures of morons and post them on a site that says don't procreate with this person as they are... and put whatever after.

10-31-2003, 02:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	-poke phredgreen in ribs. "HHAHAHAHA" fit perfectly :P- what they should do is this: ask every customer, if they aren't too embaressed, to tell the guy trying to boycott exactly what they bought and why. it may do no good but i know some nutjobs can't handle hearing it very long. there is a lot of bad shit out that makes me think 'this isn't right'.. i see his point, but he is largely misguided. to compare porn to rape is like comparing a toy BB gun to an uzi (ok, bad analogy. i couldn't think of one)

11-01-2003, 07:35 AM	#8 (permalink)
monty121052 Insane Location: Newcastle-Australia	If adult videos ect encouraged sexual assault most of us who surf the net would be potental rapist or what ever,although I do think that violent movies desesitises some people to the stage that dont realise how dangerous thier actions can be.

11-01-2003, 08:39 AM	#9 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	It just goes to show how ignorant some people are. I think I can type this over and over in a lot of stuff posted here. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

11-01-2003, 10:57 AM	#10 (permalink)
raeanna74 I'm not a blonde! I'm knot! I'm knot! I'm knot! Location: Upper Michigan	That would make me so irate as the owner of the store. Back when my grandmother had a floral shop there was an adult bookstore that moved in next door. She spoke against it at a city meeting asserting that it would draw a somewhat different type of clientel and affect her business. That was all she did. She made her statement. When they moved in she spoke to them on polite terms. Never criticised and when there was a small fire upstairs she helped them store a few things in her basement until they were able to do the repairs. My experience with them was - the owner was just a man running a business. He was polite and friendly and a decent person. It did somewhat change the clientel that my grandmother dealt with but not enough to seriously hurt her business. The employee was obviously frustrated but he did not help his owner by hosing the protestor. I'm surprised that they don't accuse this man of invasion of privacy - taking peoples pictures. I wonder if they could get some signatures from their clients in protest of the protestor? lol However I hope he gets his ass kicked for harrassing people. Good luck to the owner. __________________ "Always learn the rules so that you can break them properly." Dalai Lama My Karma just ran over your Dogma.

11-01-2003, 11:33 AM	#11 (permalink)
JStrider Poo-tee-weet? Location: The Woodlands, TX	i hope his camera doesnt work anymore... just plain out being an asshole... if you read the guys site he sounds almost like a kid making fun of people... saying some guy uses his big black car to scare women and whatnot.... this guy needs to get a life... __________________ -=JStrider=- ~Clatto Verata Nicto

11-01-2003, 10:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	It is an indisputable fact that the availability of adult materials and th elegality of prostitution reduce, not increase, the number of sex-related crimes committed including rape, harassment, and even pedophilia. We've known it for the past 30 years.

11-05-2003, 06:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
krwlz Fledgling Dead Head Location: Clarkson U.	Does he have a legal right to take a picture of me? Im not positive, but I'm pretty surethat he doesn't. I would go there and press charges just because if I lived around there.

11-05-2003, 07:05 PM	#14 (permalink)
Snakebyt Psycho Location: Lubbock Texas	when i worked at an adult bookstore, we had some church group try and protest and walk around outside trying to keep customers from coming in.. so i stood outside and advertised free video rentals for the rest of the day they were not too happy about that

11-05-2003, 10:15 PM	#16 (permalink)
Regziever Sexy eh? Location: Sweden	Is there no law in US against posting pictures of people on the net, without their written consent? __________________ Life is shit, Death is even worse, So what's the point of killing yourself? /Ignatius Camryn Paladine

11-06-2003, 04:53 AM	#23 (permalink)
thejoker130 Insane Location: slippery rock university AKA: The left ass cheek of the world	I checked out the website and the only thing i could think was: Can this be legal? __________________ WHAT MORE CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN? ------------------------------------- I like you. When the world is mine your death will be quick and painless.

11-06-2003, 12:26 PM	#26 (permalink)
Eldaire Loser Location: Davidson College, NC	Heh, adult...hose...heh.

11-05-2003, 11:01 PM	#17 (permalink)
Macheath Junkie Location: Sydney, Australia	The irony of all this? - Two of the eleven people on their stupid webpage "busted" for going to adult bookstores are women.

11-05-2003, 11:41 PM	#18 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	How is that ironic?

11-06-2003, 12:09 AM	#19 (permalink)
analog Banned	If it's anything like filming for TV and movie, he may or may not be ok. It depends on how well represented each face is, if they're readily identifiable, and what kind of scope. If there is a wide enough angle and enough people in the shot, it's outside of legal problems because it's a "crowd". If, however, he's shooting or FOLLOWING or otherwise singling people out with the camera, each person, then he's fucked. You can't do that without written permission. It's about image rights, not privacy. (some details might be fuzzy but i'm pretty sure that's all accurate)

11-06-2003, 03:52 AM	#21 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	Believe it or not, women can commit rape too. Mr Mephisto

11-06-2003, 09:59 AM	#24 (permalink)
Jimbob666 Tilted	There are far better ways to work toward what is admittedly a good cause. Preventing violence toward women is a noble goal, but it's painful to see people doing stupid things to further causes I believe in. When will activists realize that alienating potential supporters is stupid?

11-06-2003, 12:23 PM	#25 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	This is how I see it: This guy wants desperatly to do something to lower crimes of a sexual manner. He is highly misguided because he is doing half of a problem and using the answer to it as the whole sollution. the guy is obviously not thinking clearly. he is also dabbling in psychology and that can be downright dangerous. he sees this as a way to stop possible rape. i guess he thinks that if you are seen by him and his ghouniess that you will abruptly quit viewing porn, feel ashamed, and never masturbate or fuck again. because we all know masturbation leads to rape. misguided idiot. an asshole with good intentions is still an asshole.

11-06-2003, 01:46 PM	#28 (permalink)
Peryn Junkie Location: San Diego, CA.	You can be garaunteed if i lived their i would contact an attorney and find out what kind of actions i could take. I would then go and get my picture taken, casually going in and out....frequent the store even. Get my picture taken so much and have them post it on their webpage. I would then subpeona all their photos and file a class action lawsuit for defamation of character, liber/slander (whichever or both that are applicable), and any other claim. I would prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law. I would show no mercy and go for criminal charges as well as civil if possible. This kind of crap really pisses me off and should not be tolerated. He / she or whoever over at warline is a bully, pure and simply. We dont have to take that kind of abuse or shit from them. On their page they continually refer to patrons as sick, bastards, potential rapists, etc. They even name names of some people. I find this an insult to MY rights and i dont even live their. Grr....makes me very angry.... __________________ Dont cry kid, It's not your fault you suck.

11-09-2003, 04:53 PM	#30 (permalink)
MEAD Insane Location: South Florida	Are not there any porn patron hackers to shut his site down? Seriously why doesn't someone just hack his site to hell?