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WhoaitsZ 10-28-2003 11:50 AM

rage consumes me. these kids should die
 
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003500016,00.html

CRUEL yobs killed a tiny gerbil by strapping it to a firework and launching it into the sky.

The five men - all in their early twenties - blew-up the pet in a sick pre-meditated attack.

The thugs bought a pack of rockets in a shop and then cheekily asked the owner for an elastic band to tie the baby animal to the rocket.

Earlier the gang had posed as genuine pet lovers to buy the £3.50 rodent.

Soon after the gang were spotted by locals blowing-up the animal on a recreation ground.

Victor Ramsey, 61, who owns the general store in Chesterton, where the gang bought the rockets, said: "When I sold one of the lads the fireworks he said, 'have you got a rubber band',

"I said OK, I have got one on my till I can give you. A few minutes later another customer came into the shop and said ’If you knew what those b*****ds have done with your firework you would never have sold it to them'.

"It's horrific, you just can’t believe it."

His wife added: "I was disgusted by it. If they do that sort of thing to an innocent animal, you wonder what they are capable of. It made me sick."

A spokeswoman for the RSPCA described the incident as "an horrific attack" and urged any one with information to come forward.

She added: "On the face of it, this would seem to be an incident that beggars belief.

"It is obviously something we are very concerned about."


when i read the 'gerbil tied to a rocket' i laughed. i wish i could say i did not, but i did.

then i read the story.

i understand that it is a gerbil. i understand that this kind of thing has happened for centuries.

i also understand that going out of your way to murder life is wrong and sick. these guys are very lucky i cannot punish them.

i am totally serious when i say that these guys deserve death. what's sad is they will probably get off easy.

Redlemon 10-28-2003 12:19 PM

I'll bet they videotaped it. The latest thing for morons to do seems to be to videotape their crimes for easy prosecution later.

tinfoil 10-28-2003 12:23 PM

Send the sobs off to boot camp or something.

sigma1042 10-28-2003 12:24 PM

there are worse ways for gerbils to die

ARMAGEDDON!!

raeanna74 10-28-2003 12:28 PM

Stupid. I dare not say more.

Nimbletoe 10-28-2003 12:48 PM

We should strap them to a rocket and shoot them off. And these people are supposed to be older and more mature than me? Ha.

Blahman 10-28-2003 01:03 PM

I say stick it up their butt instead, and light it.

Litespeed 10-28-2003 01:15 PM

The dangers of having too much free time...
Get these guys a hobby!

I can't believe that someone could possess such cruelty, and to do so in a public place... just horrific.

Memalvada 10-28-2003 01:27 PM

When I read the first line, i thought we'd be talking about 10 year olds... but 20 year olds? WTF?!?!?! These guys are sick!

Mr. Spacemonkey 10-28-2003 01:28 PM

Man, what's up with all the abuse to innocent animals lately anyway.

Those guys must be pretty stupid and immature to do something like that.

Snakebyt 10-28-2003 01:30 PM

worse things happen to mice and rats all the itme in labs

spived2 10-28-2003 01:31 PM

I hope they don't blame it on violence in video games or movies.

seretogis 10-28-2003 01:54 PM

I'm with Z. Let's drive these retards off of a cliff.

cowudders14 10-28-2003 02:12 PM

I really do wonder what is happening these days with people - we really do seem to be getting thicker as a race. Kids who think it is fun to throw stones at trains, blinding drivers, kids who drop bricks from bridges over motorways, killing many, people who do the stupidist of things. The only thing I can think of to say about these kids is I look forward to reading about them on the darwin awards one day. Then they will get the attention they are craving so much...

eple 10-28-2003 02:21 PM

So much rage for fucking rodents.

phredgreen 10-28-2003 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by eple
So much rage for fucking rodents.
statistics show that many multiple murderers and sadistic killers got their start with animals...

however

let's not get too out of line with this discussion. "blah blah they fucking suck" and "blah blah fucking retards" and so forth isn't intelligent discussion. i understand you have hard feelings against the people who perpetrated this, but form your feelings into intelligent statements or vent elsewhere. thanks. :)

dy156 10-28-2003 02:37 PM

I agree. They are not normal, and the ringleader probably needs professional help and the others need a backbone, but come on, they were rodents. I've killed a few in mousetraps, and am personally responsible for the death of many many animals. Just today, I washed my hair with shampoo that might have been tested on animals (rodents) I pulled money out of my leather wallet to pay for the meat that I ate, wore leather shoes and belt, and am planning to go home and attempt to kill lots and lots of fire ants and eat more meat. I bet most of you have too. Get over it.

Be realistic in your desire to punish these kids.

monkeysofthebut 10-28-2003 02:45 PM

*when i put some thought into my comments moderators will stop editing me*

eple 10-28-2003 02:54 PM

let'em know who's boss, I say, there are a shitload of rodents out there, they outnumber us by far. If we go soft on them now, they might get cocky and start taking over the place. I say we keep them at the alert now and then, show them who are the toughest mammals around.

World's King 10-28-2003 03:08 PM

What happen to the good old days when people just shoved a rodents in their ass?

iktoweya 10-28-2003 03:08 PM

it is one thing to kill pests inside of your home however it is another thing to go out of your way to purchase one to have killed im sure death is no way to pay for this crime but some kind of punishment is necessary

ARTelevision 10-28-2003 03:27 PM

the only cruel animal is man

StormBerlin 10-28-2003 03:41 PM

That poor animal. I agree with ART that the only cruel animal is man. This is why I have more sympathy for animals than I do people.

riptide4070 10-28-2003 04:06 PM

I don't find anything funny about what they did.

twotimesadingo 10-28-2003 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dy156
I agree. They are not normal, and the ringleader probably needs professional help and the others need a backbone, but come on, they were rodents. I've killed a few in mousetraps, and am personally responsible for the death of many many animals. Just today, I washed my hair with shampoo that might have been tested on animals (rodents) I pulled money out of my leather wallet to pay for the meat that I ate, wore leather shoes and belt, and am planning to go home and attempt to kill lots and lots of fire ants and eat more meat. I bet most of you have too. Get over it.

Be realistic in your desire to punish these kids.

All good points, dy156. Perchance, have you ever taken an ethics course?
Once you get through relativism, egoism, and other introductory material, you make your way to more contemporary moral philosophies that focus on intent. Morality, and immorality, is a product of intentions.
That's what angers me, and the other posters. We eat meat because, on some level, we have to (don't argue vegetarianism here because I see that point; I'm merely using an example you presented); we wear leather because, on some level, we need clothing. We didn't kill the cow simply because we enjoyed it, or merely wanted to - we did it with a purpose.
Therein lies the difference; as mentioned, it's a matter of intent.

Midnight_Son 10-28-2003 04:41 PM

it's a gerbil for crying out loud! Richard Gere kills them in his ass and no one cares.......why should playing "rodet nasa" be any different. if you buy one and really try to take care of it.......it'll never live more than a month anyway!
send the little fella off with a bang!

Journeyman 10-28-2003 05:43 PM

I'm not a vegetarian and my greater concerns do not include gerbils, but my question for you is this: Do you eat chicken?

Esoteric 10-28-2003 05:47 PM

That is pretty sick and immature, even worse that they're in their 20's.

sixate 10-28-2003 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by World's King
What happen to the good old days when people just shoved a rodents in their ass?
Heh. Are you trying to say that you shove them in your ass? ;)

mr_burns 10-28-2003 06:37 PM

Some people just don't deserve to live. I can understand hunting, as long as it is done humanly, but killing an innocent creature like that - is just sick and wrong. I bet these bastards get off with a fine to. People say we need lesser punishments, well, the flip side of that is having sickos like this walking among us. And how many want to bet these little F****s were either on drugs or had recently used them?

jbrooks544 10-28-2003 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phredgreen
statistics show that many multiple murderers and sadistic killers got their start with animals...

however

let's not get too out of line with this discussion. "blah blah they fucking suck" and "blah blah fucking retards" and so forth isn't intelligent discussion. i understand you have hard feelings against the people who perpetrated this, but form your feelings into intelligent statements or vent elsewhere. thanks. :)


Wow! phredgreen, I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head.

Yes, animal abuse is an almost universal pre-cursor to things like serial killing - meaning that almost all seriously demented and serial killers have a long history of cruelty to animals - then they aren't stopped and they progress, etc. etc. ... Next thing you know there's a head in the fridge.

So, frown on it - bad guys, etc. ok.

On the other hand... The relationship between abuse and serial killing is neither causal nor directly inevitable. Many millions of kids (boys) do these things and grow up normally. This stuff is pretty widespread.

On the other hand - WTF? these guys were 20, not 10 years old. I guess it would be nice if the UK had some jobs for dos' yobs.

On the other other hand - CALM DOWN! - It is only a freekin' gerbil for cripes sake. I mean, the level of scorn and horror expressed by people over the fate of one silly gerbil is pretty funny and more than a little out of hand. While I don't condone the act - it was a gerbil folks, not someones infant. Don't get your panties in too big a heap - I'm sure they'll make more.

Fearless_Hyena 10-28-2003 07:05 PM

to me, it's the fact that their main intentions were seriously sick and twisted. i mean, a lot of us have obviously caught mice/rats/voles/whatever in traps, when they're in our homes and potentially threatening our health. people who own mouse traps aren't intentionally sadistic or malicious really, they're just trying to control a problem...but this is way different

WhoaitsZ 10-28-2003 07:48 PM

those who speak of it 'just being a baby gerbil' I ask a question. i know the question sounds silly because we are the masters of our planet. but if you can honestly say 'it is only a gerbil' i ask you to ponder this:


What if you had an infant or child? what if you are the scum of society, those who make peasants kings. what if your masters thought it would be amusing to strap your infant on a missle to watch it blow up?

i'm not saying humans and gerbils are equal blahblah, i'm trying to just ask a serious question.

murdering things is wrong. killing rats is horrible but neccesary. it's numbers. you have millions upon millions who have (i'm estimating, excuse me) 30-50 babies a year.... now give them disease. they wouldo verun and kill everything.

i'm the guy who will kill if needed. call me cold but death is acceptble. if needed. like thinning deer here in the south. there is little choice.

but if i saw someone haul a deer or dog around and hurt it or torture it or whatever.... i dunno what i'd do but it'd be ugly.

in order for the ecosystems to continue (if people don't fuck them up first) there are some things that have to die. but not tortoures, not for the fuck of it.

murder for amusement.... someone murdering your baby for amusement. fuck that. those guys don't deserve to live on this planet that tries to somewhat balance life.

it is incomphrehensible for me to see these kind of acts. especially people who preach human rights or anti bullies and then support murderers.

i hope they die.

and i'm perfectly calm

Coolidge 10-28-2003 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Snakebyt
worse things happen to mice and rats all the itme in labs
But for progression of health studies and science...Are these guys perfoming some sort of health experient? I didn't hear about them buying any Sweet'n low!!

K-Wise 10-28-2003 09:31 PM

Everything that needs/should have been said has as well as everything that shouldn't. That is my comment

Asta!!

Jimbob666 10-29-2003 12:37 AM

Does laughing at this make me a horrible person?

matt_mll 10-29-2003 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jimbob666
Does laughing at this make me a horrible person?
If it does than just about everyone who reads this thread would be concidered a horrible person.

In all seriosness it's funny, but sick. It has been done for centuries. Should the kids be punished? ... the only way they'd learn would be to shove an m-80 up their ass. As for the rodent, it is a horible way to die, but proly painless. Here's hoping the rockets were big enough to make it a quick death.

K-Wise 10-29-2003 03:00 AM

They're not....trust me. It might have been torn up a little but more than likely it at most only took off small portions of it's body and the poor thing suffered and blead to death. Plus if you ever see them on the floor after they've been fired you notice they are intact. Only small burn marks are found on them so it didn't explode at all it burned the poor little fucker badly.

Asta!!

costello 10-29-2003 03:14 AM

ill admit, i laughed when i first started to read the article. im not going to lie. my mood obviously changed as i read the article. ive never killed anything unless it was posing a threat to me (i.e. ants biting me, flys in my house puking on everything, etc.) i could never bring myself to hunt (but hold absolutely nothing against those who do), its just the kind of person i am. do these people deserve harsh punishment? my thoughts would be no. ill agree with a hefty fine but nothing dealing imprisonment and the like. i think a better alternative would be something along the lines of having to go to an animal cruelty class, or writing a letter, something that would educate the person who commited the act. why? i hold human life much higher than animal life. killing a gerbil just because is stupid, but some humans are stupid most of the time. i guess ill care about a gerbil getting killed just because when people stop killing people just because. there seems to be A LOT more of that going on anyway.

fuzzix 10-29-2003 05:28 AM

That's the kind of sick thing I'd expect from messed up bored kids, the fact that the guys were in their twenties was very disturbing.


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