Fibrosa

Alright, this thread about can a man get raped, got me thinking.

Let's say a man get's raped by a woman. She get's pregnant and also sent to jail.

The man doesn't want her to have his kid, for some reason or another-he's really against it.

Should he have the right to force her to have an abortion?

a1t3r3g0

I haven't read that thread, but I think the woman should have two options:
1) Abort the child
2) Deliver the child, but do not expect or receive any support from the man

I don't think that the man should have the right to force her.

TrollInvestigtr

if i was sexually accosted by some fat chick i had no interest in fucking i sure as shit wouldnt have a hard on. so how is she supposed to get pregnant?
kinda invalidates the whole question.

Fibrosa

Well, let's say she pumps you full of viagra, makes you watch pornos for hours and then takes advantage of you.

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SecretMethod70

As far as getting an erection is concerned, you can't really control that very well. I shouldn't need to explain this to someone who, being a guy, should know that sometimes it just "gets hard."

Anyways, from a purely equal point of view, yes, he should have a right to force the abortion. A woman can force a man's child to be aborted (a man has no say) and, in this case, the woman being a criminal she should most certainly not have any rights, especially as far as the results of her criminal action, and the man should be able to force the woman's child to be aborted.

Of course, I'm against abortion anyway (let's not go there please) but this is how I'd view it if I weren't. Do I think this is right? Not really. Just demonstrating more or less that fathers of children ought to have and deserve to have at the very least SOME say in whether or not their child gets aborted.

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sixate

Absofuckinglutely

He should have the right to rip the kid out of her.

Although, I don't feel sorry for any man that gets raped by a woman. There's no way in hell that a chic could rape me.

1. I'm too fucking large of a person to have a woman overpower me.
2. I can control my cock.

Zello

Well said Secret. I think I would have to agree that the criminal shouldn't have much say in what happens to the child.

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william

Face it - a man will do what a man will do. Upon having pussy dragged back and forth across his limp dick, he will get hard. So he gets hard, says "fuckit" and goes for it. The stupid bitch chose to not have protection (why should she-she's probably an ugly skank who couldn't get laid otherwise) and she gets pregnant. Should the "father" do something? You bet your boots! However men are not treated the same as women in courts. Most would laugh at him - no matter the size of the woman. Should he receive the "break"? Yes. Will he? Doubt it.

b1m2x3

ok... how many rape threads are there!?

dayum!

World's King

This is a little too edgy of a topic for me to voice an opinion on.


But I will anyways.


The same social rules should apply to this situation that appy to a man raping a woman and getting her pregnat.

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Cynthetiq

unfortunately no.. just like the man has NO CHOICE on whether or not she keeps the baby if she wants to have an abortion.

Also the fucked up part... since the laws have been laid out well in the land of the USofA, he'll have to pay child support.

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BBtB

I don't think he should be able to force her to have an abortition but at the same time he shouldn't have to pay any child support. At the same time I don't think I woman should be allowed to abort a mans child without his consent. I am sorry. If that was my child (and yes I am againt aborition as a whole and I DO consider it a child at time of conception for those concerned) and you killed my child I am sorry but I would kill you. I might go to jail for murder but .. to me thats the same as my marrying you and us having a child and then you deciding after the child is 2 years old you will sneak in its room and smother it with a pillow. I am sorry but that is my child too. I don't give a fuck if it came out of you it is no less mine. It may be your body but its my child. (Man I rant to much)

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Two words: cock ring. cuts off blood flow, MAKES it hard.

He shouldn't be held responsible for the kid, but she shouldn't be forced to kill it either (my 2 cents).

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Well i dont think that the men should have the right to say or not even sojust to kill the child . I wouldt know if a men can get rape or not , But I think that noone has the right to kill someone . An I ask you who has the right to play god?

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Plan9

God, I can't believe you just suggested that this was too edgy for you.

I say that fat chick can keep the baby or not, but the man is not legally responsible.

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Shauk

i'm 6'6" and no woman is likely to overpower me under normal circumstances.

but lets be serious for a minute, it's pefectly within the measures of a woman to attain drugs to slip you which render your "size" advantage completely null and void. couple that with viagra and your penis is now strictly a biological weapon that no longer gives a shit if you are mentally stimulated.

albania

What an interesting scenario. Yes, logically he should be able to force her to have an abortion, but if it ever happened he'll never have the legal recourse to do so.

Willravel

In cases of 50/50, a court should decide based on laws that absolutely need to be established. The US legal system is far behind in paternal rights.

Ourcrazymodern?

I can't see a man becoming a victim in this way, but for the sake of argument:
If she stole his sperm on purpose she's a thief as well as a rapist and should bear sole responsibility for the pregnancy and the child, if it comes.
The only way (the victim) should have to pay anything is if he decides he wants to have contact with the child, at which point I would hope some enlightened court would grant him custody and force her to pay the child support.
He should not be able to force an abortion.
It seems to me the child is the most likely victim of its mother's crime.

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Willravel

So if a man rapes a woman, he should be able to tell her whether to have it or not?

kramus

There was a case involving a woman who gave her ex head, saved the ejaculate, and inseminated herself using a turkey baster or some such bedamned instrument. The man had made it very, very clear that he did not want children, and there had been a relationship for a while where the couple were ok with not having kids. They used condoms when they indulged in regular intercourse. There was a breakup, he woman decided she wanted his child if she couldn't have him. She offered a no-complications ex-sex blowjob . . . and set him up. The court ruled that he had to pay child support. I know that this was not rape, but the lack of consent to impregnation, and indeed the complete disinterest in impregnation on the part of the man echoes part of the OP scenario. The man's express wishes, and his expectations, were of no consequence to the authorities. The law says the man pays support. End of story.

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Lady Sage

What a fabulous spin on the topic! While I think it is a terrible situation- I give you mad props for thinking of it. Its wonderful to have such brilliant thinkers here!

He couldnt force her to abort until a judge ruled with him, but I agree with some previous posts that he shouldnt have to pay a dime in child support for it.

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Willravel

She should have her tubes tied.

mcovey

Let's say some psychotic fatty breaks into your house, waits for you to jack off and steals your jizz, then impregnates herself with it - should you be able to force her to get an abortion then?

I don't know if the question's worthwhile because it never happens. Men get raped by men almost exclusively.

blahblah454

I think that if you did not want the child and had it forced upon you in such a way than you should not have to pay child support. Seeing as the mother is a rapist and the "father" had his sperm stolen than I believe that the child should be adopted by parents who would love the child and give it a proper life.

Terrell

I don't think that the woman should be forced to have an abortion, since it's her body that the pregnancy is going on inside, I don't think that the man should have a right to force a woman to carry to term either for the same reason. I do think that the man should NOT have to pay child support for a kid that is the result of him being raped though.

Of course the courts in the US don't really care as long as someone is on the hook for child support, so I expect the courts to tell the guy "tough luck, and pay up" even though I think that it's wrong. Hell, men have been forced to pay child support for children that are proven by DNA not to be theirs, so I don't expect much sympathy for him from the courts. So he'll be raped physically, in public opinion (in that people would be uninclined to believe a man's claim of being raped by a woman), and financially.

Kpax

LOL I was going to say almost the same thing.

Even WITH a girl I'm attracted to, if there's too much anxiety, the vertical action is just not there, and I'm not even that old.

So, I imagine that if I'm totally, completely uninterested, there's no way.

Menoman

ya, except if you are being raped by a chick, she's probably a fucking brute ass bitch. When she says get it up or I'm cutting your jugular. You'll probably change that tune eh?

I don't think there's a woman out there who could rape me, but if it happened ya... I should get the choice, not her, also tubes should be tied permanantly, as well as vica versa if a man rapes a woman.

Also not feeling sorry for a guy getting raped, is basically a huge douchebag thing to say. Maybe you couldnt get raped, (laughable) but all dudes aren't 6'4" 220, and some women are.



But if the girl was hot as shit, I'd be asking to get raped, a few times a week I'd beg for rape.

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Ourcrazymodern?

Ah, man! Now you're comparing apples and kumquats.
I said no such thing.
(Threadjacks aside).
Overall, I don't trust the judgment we have. If men were mysteriously given more reproductive rights, I'd wonder about that.
Worry about the child a bit.

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highthief

No to abortion - don't see why the child should die for the crimes of the parent. Lots of people looking for infants to adopt.

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Willravel

I'm playing devil's advocate a bit. I don't think the mother should ever have the right to kill her unborn child. What surprises me is that some people think it's okay for the mother to make such a decision, but not the father. That represents rather serious gender inequality. My fear would be that a woman could easily abort a child the father wants to keep, and he can't do shit about it. Legally, he has basically no rights. I hope that changes. I fight for women's rights all the time. This is just the flip side of that.

kramus

Ex brother-in-law was a roadie for a band. One holiday in Miami he is lolling on a chair by the pool, horribly drunk. A young woman swims up and chats with him - looking down at her in the pool with his promiscuous roadie experience and his beer goggles on he thought she looked not too bad. She arranges to come up to his room in 15 minutes, after he clears his buddie out. A knock on the door, and he opens it to a beer-keg of a woman who strides into the room and kicks the door shut behind her. She shoves one hand down his swim trunks and puts the other on the back of his head, and tongues him while squeezing his manhood. He is in shock, but his cock gets hard anyway. She pushes him back to a couch, pulls down his trunks and drops her own swim bottom, and straddles him. Rides him quick and vigourous and hard - he has unprotected sex with a stranger and it takes just a couple of minutes. He was still in shock when she climbs off, he told me.
The guy shakily makes his way into the shower, and is in there with his head against the wall and the water beating down on him. A strong hand reaches around and grabs his limp cock, and vigourously manipulates it while she grinds herself against his back. He is sort of hard and she turns him around, straddles him while standing, and screws him in the shower. When she is done, she leaves and gets dressed. Mentions in passing she is a soldier on a few days leave, and just needed to get her rocks off.
He began to drip a few days later. Yep, STD
He calls it rape - I thought it was tacky and sick, but that he did set himself up.

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Ourcrazymodern?

But just imagine the hormonal imbalances! Again the child becomes a victim.

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genuinegirly

I thought this was an interesting thread to bump. I'm curious how people relate this to our current discussion on abortion.

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biznatch

I don't think this was rape, because he clearly let her know where his room was and didn't attempt to get her out of it.
EDIT: that doesn't change the fact that it's an awesome story

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Jozrael

I don't think that's rape. He never once said 'no' or anything to the effect. If he had...instant rape, same as it is for women.

Jinn

I'm glad to see this wasn't a thread created this year, because some of the responses are shocking.

In this enormously hypothetical and unlikely situation, I believe no one should *force* the woman to do anything, because that rather dramatically impedes on a woman's fundamental human rights, does it not?

In this event, I would think that the mother would simply retain 100% custody of the child if it were born. What other rational course of action is there? The misguided OP and his early respondents seem to be stuck in the adolescent game of perpetually asking the question, "What would we do in this totally unlikely situation?"

They also, apparently, haven't developed the wisdom to critically analyze the situation and instead declared it 'logical' that the man should be able to force the woman to abort OR adopt.

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Jozrael

I happen to believe that there have been many occurrences of this. Where the man does not wish to be having sex/children, and the women foists it upon him (either through saving his semen in her mouth, or tying him up, or using alcohol, etc. As for the frequency? Quite rare I'd imagine. But the situation has -happened-, and now we're asking what to do about it. I don't think it's juvenile at all to weigh in on it, and it's a rather complicated issue.

I mean, you're taking abortion, which is a complicated issue as it is, and adding in even more entangling variables.

While it's unsavory to force the woman to do anything, you have to consider that she is the rapist in this situation and the man an unwilling accomplice. In cases of rape with women we are even more likely to agree that the decision is 100% hers because she is the victim...how does this logic not follow when reversed?

it's a tough question.

Jinn

How is it a tough question? We cannot force citizens to do things beyond those provisions allowed by law, such as imprisonment (and in some states, the penalty of death). In some states we can force a forfeiture of property when involved or as a result of criminal activity, but 'property' in this case does not apply to the woman nor her fetus, regardless of its viability.

The answer is simple; the woman retains 100% custody. We cannot force adoption nor abortion, nor can we unfairly burden the raped man to incur further financial (and emotional) duress at the hands of the perpetrator. What other RATIONAL options would you purpose?

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