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Old 09-29-2003, 09:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Sep 29, 12:07 PM EST

The St. Petersburg city council passed a law Monday designed to scuttle a rock group's plans to feature an onstage suicide.
The hard-rock band Hell on Earth had said that a suicide by a terminally ill person would take place during a concert Saturday to raise awareness of right-to-die issues.
In response, the city council met Monday morning to unanimously approve an emergency ordinance making it illegal to conduct a suicide for commercial or entertainment purposes, and to host, promote and sell tickets for such an event.
"While I still think it's a publicity stunt, we still couldn't sit idly by and let somebody lose their life," council member Bill Foster said.
Tampa-based Hell of Earth, known for such outrageous onstage stunts as chocolate syrup wrestling and grinding up live rats in a blender, created the furor by announcing the suicide would happen Saturday at the Palace Theater in downtown St. Petersburg.
But the theater's owner, David Hundley, promptly canceled the band's show, and another venue also turned away the event.
Band leader Billy Tourtelot has vowed that the concert and suicide will still take place at an undisclosed location in the city, broadcast live on the band's Web site.
"This show is far more than a typical Hell On Earth performance," Tourtelot said in an e-mail last week. "This is about standing up for what you believe in, and I am a strong supporter of physician-assisted suicide."
A message left for Tourtelot was not immediately returned Monday.
A Florida law already makes assisting in a suicide manslaughter, a second-degree felony.
Hell on Earth is playing clubs in support of its independently produced album, "All Things Disturbingly Sassy."
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That's pretty twisted. Allowing someone to commit (assisted) suicide on stage to "stand up for what you believe in". Fucked up people in my opinion.
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Old 09-29-2003, 09:35 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Oh oh oh my God. I have never been more devided on a subject ever, part of me wants this to happen, just because it would be so so hard core, and the dude wants to do it anyway, and is terminally ill person. But then the bigger part of my knows that it would be wrong, so very wrong. Physician assisted suicide is one thing, but for entertanment its not right at all, but holy would that ever be hard core.
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Old 09-29-2003, 09:58 PM   #3 (permalink)
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That's awesome!

I would totally not go, though. It's cool to see new ways to make people freak out though.

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Old 09-29-2003, 10:21 PM   #4 (permalink)
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So wrong, on so many levels. Crass commercialism at it's worst.
As a sound vendor to the "concert industry", I would walk away from the money on this one and let those with no scruples or morals do it.
Right to Live/ Right to Die-- it's all fine, just not public events!
(Although I might support it if it involved certain "elected" officials!! )
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Old 09-29-2003, 11:16 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Old 09-29-2003, 11:20 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Regardless of whether suicide is wrong or not, what is the point of this? I have a hard time believing this is just a publicity stunt. How would having someone kill themselves on stage advance their cause?

"This is about standing up for what you believe in, and I am a strong supporter of physician-assisted suicide."

Oh, okay. I'm sure he wouldn't mind if sales of "All Things Disturbingly Sassy" happened to climb. I mean, to do the suicide thing at the same time they are promoting their album? They shouldn't be intertwined. IMO.

It would be funny if Peter Paul and Mary was to play on the same stage the next night.
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Old 09-29-2003, 11:43 PM   #7 (permalink)
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i was wondering earlier just how far a new act has to go to really shock me... and there it is.

live death.

my good god that is just too far for my taste.
i wonder if i could ever get desensitised to it...
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Old 09-30-2003, 12:13 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Sad statement on our society that these pigs are actually going through with this. Sad.
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Old 09-30-2003, 12:22 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Well they will burn in hell if they do decide to do this. That is quite possibly THE most fucked up thing I've ever read. I could care less what his beliefs are I hope he goes to jail and gets passed around for ever thinking of doing that.

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Old 09-30-2003, 01:16 AM   #10 (permalink)
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heh, watching people die for either the purposes of entertainment or the purposes of passing on a message is anything but new.

During the roman empire, (and most probably before in other places, but i lack the knowledge to say anything about that), people have gathered around at colosseums, to watch other people die.

Similarly, people have been executed in various ways for law-breaking for a long time now. Usually the execution is public, to demonstrate the conseuqences of law-breaking. Also, it shows how effect the law is of the nation, to be able to catch a villian.

so... yeah.
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Old 09-30-2003, 04:21 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Obviously the terminally ill person agreed to it, and I think it's noone's damn right to take away that person's right to die in the manner they wish to die, Society has this horrible idea with keeping ppl alive at any cost. Of course it's right to protect those who wish to live or are being killed by another person against their will, but I really don't understand why the terminally ill have to go thru emaciation and intense pain just to follow blind belief in the "sanctity of life".

Is it a stunt? Of course.
Should they be allowed to do it? Absolutely. The only person that should be considered is the person dying. If a theater doesn't want to host it, they are in the right not to, but they shouldn't be barred by law from doing it at all. This person wants to die the way they have chosen, and why should we keep him captive to our ideals when we're not the ones slowly painfully dying? If it's at a show everyone paid a ticket to get there so the suicide isn't hurting an innocent person like someone killing themselves with a gun in public could. Just more crap to keep us from being free. You can bet If I wanted to make an early exit for ANY reason no law would stop me. You're given a life, and you should have the freedom to end it.
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Old 09-30-2003, 07:05 AM   #12 (permalink)
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sounds about right... i dont have a problem with this... i personally wouldnt want to attend... but if thats how this guy wants to go its fine with me...
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Old 09-30-2003, 07:52 AM   #13 (permalink)
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well i live pretty close to tampa/st. pete.

the people are just the type of people that dress up that way to crave attention.

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Old 09-30-2003, 02:18 PM   #14 (permalink)
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While I support peoples' right to die, that's just sick.
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Old 09-30-2003, 03:08 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I think that it is all for the publicity of the band. I doubt that they so strongly believe in that kind of suicide that they're doing it for political reasons. Personally believe that the guy has a right to kill himself, but does he really want to do it in such a superficial forum?
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Old 09-30-2003, 04:21 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I would absolutely pay to see a man kill himself. I would enjoy every second of it too.
If someone wants to kill themself they should have the right, and it doesn't matter to me how, where, or why they're doing it.

I'll be checking the bands website Saturday to see if they do it! I want to see it happen.
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Old 09-30-2003, 04:28 PM   #17 (permalink)
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that is just sad

what is society coming to? i swear we are experiencing devolution back to the dark ages when people looked towards hangings and burnings for entertainment
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Old 09-30-2003, 04:55 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I think this guy should have every right to kill himself, and if he chooses to do it, and help someone out in the process go for it. Personally, if I ever choose to kill myself, I'd like to go out like this. It'd be huge, and really shock the hell out of a bunch of people. I totally support this.

What people should be complaining about is animal cruelty in shows. Those animals don't choose to be butchered. At a Cannibal Corpse? show, a goat was brought on stage, it's feet were shot into the floor with a nail gun, and it's head was cut off.

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Old 09-30-2003, 04:57 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I read about this earlier, and well I think it's just fucked up.
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Old 09-30-2003, 05:16 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Old 09-30-2003, 05:32 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I personally think its alright. Call it art, call it political, its certainly doing what they want it to. Draw controversy and sell tickets.

Its the poor bastard who wants to die's choice anyway. Not mine to say.
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Old 10-01-2003, 01:25 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Put the whole band in jail. They are terrorists.
Send the ill person to a real doctor. If he wants to die that's one thing
but keep dignity in it. Death is not for pleasure
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Old 10-01-2003, 02:06 AM   #23 (permalink)
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If someone wants to kill themself they should have the right, and it doesn't matter to me how, where, or why they're doing it.
I see no problem with this. If the dude wants to do it, go right ahead.
Death is a fascinating thing, I totally understand why people are going to want to see it.

If I'm home saturday, I just might check it out too.
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Old 10-01-2003, 02:19 AM   #24 (permalink)
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^^ Ya ever seen a man die before? Or a dead man? What if it was your best friend, or somebody you know?(Which he is to many people) There is nothing facinating or entertaining about it. It's ugly, painful, and horrible all at the same time. It's a sick fuckin man who enjoys watching that and finds it "entertaining" If he wants to take his life thats one thing....he of course has the right to do that and if he wants to do it that way he has every right to that as well....It's the people who actually want to see that and feel entertained by it that sicken me and I feel pitty for all of you. What the hell has the world come to?

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Old 10-01-2003, 04:00 AM   #25 (permalink)
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That's really pathetic, sick and stupid. I'll sure as hell be boycotting that band, not that I touch heavy metal anyway. No problems with euthenasia, but live, on stage? Making a spectacle of it? That is beyond sick. And people actually want to watch this stuff? That's just as bad as arranging and orchestrating the death itself.
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Old 10-01-2003, 04:49 AM   #26 (permalink)
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There is nothing facinating or entertaining about it. It's ugly, painful, and horrible all at the same time. It's a sick fuckin man who enjoys watching that and finds it "entertaining"
Agreed, 100%.
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Old 10-01-2003, 09:47 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Yes indeed it is his life and if he wanted to do it in front of people who also want to see it is not something which should be barred by law. Should it have a ticket price attached to it?

Selling tickets to a suicide puts a value on something invaluable. It belittles life and is quite possibly one of the greatest disrespects that can be paid to the person comitting suicide.

I gotta side with K-Wise here. I have seen a dead person. It's not entertainment. It's not fun nor is it enjoyable.
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Old 10-01-2003, 12:20 PM   #28 (permalink)
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The fact that the terminally ill person want's to end his/her life is no problem with me, BUT to perform this in a public venue, during a concert, is just totally wrong. Even tho people are supposedly aware of the going's on, rest assured, some would be psycologically scarred for life after witnessing this. What sounds good on paper isn't always so great in person.
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Old 10-01-2003, 04:30 PM   #29 (permalink)
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So pathetic. Seems that these new shock bands have hit a new low to get a rise out of people. I don't condone a public suicide one bit. That is one of the most immoral things I have ever heard of. What kind of demented fuck actually gets a terminally ill person to kill himself at his concert? And for what? So his opinion can be heard? Well in my opinion that's just not a good enough excuse. Grinding up rats in a blender is one thing, I heard they do that too, but for them to have a living person kill himself on stage just to prove his belief, that's sickening. If that's what they have to do to be heard thenfuck their opinion, and may the hounds of Hell feast upon the rotting flesh of every one of the band members if they go through with this.
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Old 10-01-2003, 05:38 PM   #30 (permalink)
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There is nothing facinating or entertaining about it. It's ugly, painful, and horrible all at the same time. It's a sick fuckin man who enjoys watching that and finds it "entertaining"
I also agree.

Watching another human being die is not "entertainment" and I worry about anyone who thinks so.
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Old 10-02-2003, 12:12 PM   #31 (permalink)
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So pathetic. Seems that these new shock bands have hit a new low to get a rise out of people. I don't condone a public suicide one bit. That is one of the most immoral things I have ever heard of. What kind of demented fuck actually gets a terminally ill person to kill himself at his concert? And for what? So his opinion can be heard? Well in my opinion that's just not a good enough excuse. Grinding up rats in a blender is one thing, I heard they do that too, but for them to have a living person kill himself on stage just to prove his belief, that's sickening. If that's what they have to do to be heard thenfuck their opinion, and may the hounds of Hell feast upon the rotting flesh of every one of the band members if they go through with this.
I can't tell you how much i agree. The whole idea of this public suicide is just flat out stupid and wrong in obvious ways. The members of this band must be full of a bunch of idiots if they are trying to get a rise out of people doing this.

This is just fucking sick!
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Old 10-03-2003, 03:34 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Like others I read this earlier, also. It was disturbing to me for days. Reading here that he is terminally ill only lessens the sting a bit, but not much. I can just imagine a bunch of fucked up rockers chanting go go go...Just seems like a fucked up view of the future. Damn.
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Old 10-08-2003, 03:50 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Well this was supposed to happen this last weekend - does anyone know if it actually did? I've heard conflicting reports and not read anything
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