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Zotz · 04-28-2003, 06:24 AM

I download MP3s to find new music or stuff I can't find on CD in the store. I'll buy the CD if I like at least half of the songs on it. I'm not paying for the ones I don't like.

neoinoakleys · 04-28-2003, 06:27 AM

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Originally posted by SiN
not voting, because i do not like the wording of your choices..

but, i download music, mostly full albums from FTP/IRC, with the occasional rare kazaa single track d/l.

i don't feel like it's my 'right' or whatever..i just do it because i can, i guess..

besides, i've oft not had enough income to purchase CD's.
when i did, they were often used.

Hey, don't take the wording of the poll too seriously...I was just trying to stir up some controvercy...(I think I succeeded).

I download MP3s like MAD!! But I am looking for the hard to find songs, the remixes and imports. Some of these are just not sold here in America, so what else am I supposed to do??

I still buy CDs, as they ARE better quality, but I buy the CDs of the bands I like. I try not to download the radio edit versions of songs as I can buy those when I have the money...And I definietely show my support at concerts.

Another thing...I will download/share the HELL out of artists that show resistance....(ie: Metallica, Madonna, Dr. Dre...etc.).

Times change...resistance is futile!!

digby · 04-28-2003, 06:59 AM

Warning: Long Rant

The heads of all of the major record companies have said that they recognize that the music industry cannot surrvive in its current model. In the next couple of years, I believe that you will see drastic changes in the way records are marketed/sold. I have a friend who owns his own small, independent label and he is searching for a new business model that will use file sharing technology rather than cringe in fear from it.

This being said, you are still stealing from the artist when you download their songs. If you don't have a problem with theft, I'm going to have a hard time convincing you to stop. I think that one of the big reasons people don't see downloading as theft is because of the nature of intellectual property. If I steal a loaf of bread, the owner is now short by 1 loaf. If I were to download a song, the original is still there. The industry/the media/you and I need to explain to those who haven't figured it out that taking intellectual property is the same as taking bread from the grocery.

Yes, the record labels are greedy bastards that exploit artist. If you know anything about recording contracts, you've heard phrases like controled composition clause and cross-collateralization. When an artist signs a record deal, they are giving the label a blank check saying, "Rape me!" Things are already starting to change, though. In the last year all five of the big music companies have granted provisons to NEW artists (who have no name for themselves yet, none of the all important clout) that I never would have imagined. Artists are now compansated when labels under pay them. The labels are now paying for the audits that uncover these errors. This is but a small bit of what's going on behind the scenes.

If you don't want to pay $20 dollars for a CD, (and I don't blame you at all. That's a lot of money.) support artists and labels who are looking for a new business model. Boycott anything from the big 5. Stealing will only make it worse. The labels then have a big target to point at saying, "They're taking all our money because they won't pay!" If you don't download, then no one listens to the artists and it might grab their attention a little sooner.

/end rant

shalafi · 04-28-2003, 07:07 AM

i liked the wording of the poll. i thought it was pretty funny. I download music all the time. sometimes even songs i have on cd because with broadband sometimes its just easier to download it than to figure out which cd the song i want is on and then find it in my cd player and rip it to the pc. When i buy cds i usually join columbiahouse or something and get them cheap or buy them used. Same w/ dvds. i refuse to pay full price for them.

Daval · 04-28-2003, 07:15 AM

I have been known to download the odd song and have burned maybe 3 CD's total.

I have also bought a certain CD if I really really like it. I'd probably by more if the prices weren't insanely expensive.

View Poll Results: MP3 Swapping...How do you feel about it?
MP3 Swapping is bad, I prefer to pay for overpriced CDs...	3	4.23%
MP3 Swapping is good, Stealing music is my Right!!	65	91.55%
I just don't get the whole phenomenon...	3	4.23%
Voters: 71. You may not vote on this poll

04-28-2003, 06:59 AM	#43 (permalink)
digby Crazy Location: Ahh, the lovely South	Warning: Long Rant The heads of all of the major record companies have said that they recognize that the music industry cannot surrvive in its current model. In the next couple of years, I believe that you will see drastic changes in the way records are marketed/sold. I have a friend who owns his own small, independent label and he is searching for a new business model that will use file sharing technology rather than cringe in fear from it. This being said, you are still stealing from the artist when you download their songs. If you don't have a problem with theft, I'm going to have a hard time convincing you to stop. I think that one of the big reasons people don't see downloading as theft is because of the nature of intellectual property. If I steal a loaf of bread, the owner is now short by 1 loaf. If I were to download a song, the original is still there. The industry/the media/you and I need to explain to those who haven't figured it out that taking intellectual property is the same as taking bread from the grocery. Yes, the record labels are greedy bastards that exploit artist. If you know anything about recording contracts, you've heard phrases like controled composition clause and cross-collateralization. When an artist signs a record deal, they are giving the label a blank check saying, "Rape me!" Things are already starting to change, though. In the last year all five of the big music companies have granted provisons to NEW artists (who have no name for themselves yet, none of the all important clout) that I never would have imagined. Artists are now compansated when labels under pay them. The labels are now paying for the audits that uncover these errors. This is but a small bit of what's going on behind the scenes. If you don't want to pay $20 dollars for a CD, (and I don't blame you at all. That's a lot of money.) support artists and labels who are looking for a new business model. Boycott anything from the big 5. Stealing will only make it worse. The labels then have a big target to point at saying, "They're taking all our money because they won't pay!" If you don't download, then no one listens to the artists and it might grab their attention a little sooner. /end rant __________________ mmmm.... pudding

04-28-2003, 07:15 AM	#45 (permalink)
Daval Junkie Location: The True North Strong and Free!	I have been known to download the odd song and have burned maybe 3 CD's total. I have also bought a certain CD if I really really like it. I'd probably by more if the prices weren't insanely expensive. __________________ "It is impossible to obtain a conviction for sodomy from an English jury. Half of them don't believe that it can physically be done, and the other half are doing it." Winston Churchill

04-28-2003, 06:24 AM	#41 (permalink)
Zotz There's someone in my head, but its not me	I download MP3s to find new music or stuff I can't find on CD in the store. I'll buy the CD if I like at least half of the songs on it. I'm not paying for the ones I don't like.

04-28-2003, 07:07 AM	#44 (permalink)
shalafi ARRRRRRRRRR Location: Stuart, Florida	i liked the wording of the poll. i thought it was pretty funny. I download music all the time. sometimes even songs i have on cd because with broadband sometimes its just easier to download it than to figure out which cd the song i want is on and then find it in my cd player and rip it to the pc. When i buy cds i usually join columbiahouse or something and get them cheap or buy them used. Same w/ dvds. i refuse to pay full price for them.