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Glad-I-Ate-Her · 09-08-2003, 01:44 PM

The shoe has dropped:

By John Borland
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
September 8, 2003, 10:57 AM PT

update The Recording Industry Association of America said it has filed 261 lawsuits against alleged file swappers Monday, charging the computer users with "egregious" copyright infringement potentially worth millions of dollars.
The long-awaited barrage of lawsuits marks a turning point in the industry's three-year fight against online song-trading services like Kazaa and the now-defunct Napster, and one of the most controversial moments in the recording industry's digital history.

After long years avoiding direct conflict with file swappers who might also be record buyers, industry executives said they have lost patience. Monday's lawsuits are just the first wave of what the group said ultimately could be "thousands more" lawsuits filed over the next few months.

"Our goal is not to be vindictive or punitive," said RIAA President Cary Sherman. "It is simply to get peer-to-peer users to stop offering music that does not belong to them."

The lawsuits mark the first time that copyright laws have been used on a mass scale against individual Internet users. Legal actions have been taken on a sporadic basis against operators of pirate servers or sites, but ordinary computer users have never before been at serious risk of liability for widespread behavior.

The RIAA said that's the point it's underlining with the unprecedented legal action. From the rise of Napster until today, tens of millions of people have started trading songs, movies and software online through services such as Kazaa with little thought for the legality of their actions. Even as the threat of Monday's lawsuits loomed, more than 2.8 million copies of the Kazaa software were downloaded last week, according to Download.com, a software aggregation site operated by CNET News.com publisher CNET Networks.

Indeed, a recent study by the Pew Internet and American Life Project found that 67 percent of people downloading music said they did not care whether the music was copyrighted or not.

The slew of suits will put a serious price tag on those actions for the first time. Under copyright law, violators can be held liable for up to $150,000 per violation--a measure that could result in stunningly high damage figures for some of the defendants in this round of suits. According to the RIAA, most of the people sued Monday were sharing 1,000 songs or more on the file-swapping networks.

Few of the suits are likely to go to trial, however. In the RIAA's previous round of copyright suits, filed against four university students in April, each defendant quickly settled, agreeing to pay damages of between $12,000 and $17,000. Many of today's defendants are also likely to settle.

Sherman said "a handful" of defendants had already agreed to preliminary settlement agreements, averaging payments of about $3,000 apiece.

Later settlements will likely have a higher price tag, since they will be coming after the lawsuits have been filed, Sherman said. However, each suit is being filed with information advising defendants whom to contact if they want a settlement.

Attorneys not involved in the dispute say the defendants will be hard-pressed to make a convincing case if the RIAA's evidence holds up in court. The industry trade group has collected long lists of files being shared by each defendant, traced those files to a specific network address and used subpoenas to link that address to a specific Internet account.

Copyright law forbids distributing unauthorized copies of protected works, as well as actually making unauthorized copies. People who have shared considerable amounts of copyrighted files on file-swapping networks are likely to be seen as distributors, many attorneys say.

"This will be an uphill battle for anyone to defend," said Evan Cox, an intellectual property attorney with Covington and Burling in San Francisco. "When people put that many files in a shared folder and allow that to be exposed to the Internet, it's a pretty sure thing that they're distributing those copies."

Critics of the RIAA actions, including most notably the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), said that the RIAA might have made mistakes in some cases, including those where an Internet subscriber's account is held by several people, where parents were unaware of their children's behavior or where the Net account is connected to a wireless network being made available to the public.

"You have to assume that the recording industry actually got the right person," EFF attorney Fred von Lohmann said. "It's Mom and Dad's name on the ISP account, for example, but that doesn't mean it's Mom and Dad using Kazaa. There are going to be a lot of complications."

The suits were filed across the United States, and included users of Kazaa, Blubster, Grokster and several other file-swapping software programs.

Several related lawsuits remain open as these go to court. A handful of Internet service providers, including Pacific Bell Internet Services, a division of SBC Communications, in California, have challenged the validity of the subpoenas used by the RIAA to collect file swappers' identities. One individual, who as yet remains anonymous, has also challenged the subpoena process, saying it violates her right to privacy.

Alongside the lawsuits, the RIAA also released details of an online amnesty campaign, offering worried file swappers a provisional shield against being sued if they turn themselves in before a suit is filed.

Under the "Clean Slate" program, file swappers must destroy any copies of copyrighted works they have downloaded from services such as Kazaa, and sign a notarized affidavit pledging never to trade copyrighted works online again.

Anybody who signs and returns the document will not be targeted by the RIAA based on past infringement, Sherman said. However, if their names come up in future file-swapping sweeps, any amnesty seekers could be liable for potentially higher damages based on "willful infringement."

The group said it would not use the information gathered for marketing purposes or share it with any other group of copyright holders. Critics such as the EFF's von Lohmann dismissed the assurances, saying that the RIAA's privacy policy allowed the information to be shared if "required by law," a clause which could allow groups such as music publishers or Hollywood studios to subpoena the information from the RIAA to use in their own lawsuits.

Glad

Kaos · 09-08-2003, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Glad-I-Ate-Her
The shoe has dropped:
Few of the suits are likely to go to trial, however. In the RIAA's previous round of copyright suits, filed against four university students in April, each defendant quickly settled, agreeing to pay damages of between $12,000 and $17,000. Many of today's defendants are also likely to settle.

Sherman said "a handful" of defendants had already agreed to preliminary settlement agreements, averaging payments of about $3,000 apiece.

Ouch....$12000-17000 as a settlement? I really think most University students (or most people for that matter) don't have that kind of money laying around to pay that.

It's really disgusting that these people get away with Price Fixing and making it too expensive to buy the CD's you want and then sue your ass when you find a different way to get the music you like.

GakFace · 09-08-2003, 03:31 PM

That, and all that settlement money, where exactly is it going to? Oh.. oh yeah, OF COURSE! Who would have thought it to be so simple?!?!?

No really tho, it is simple, all that money goes to the RIAA's pockets, but NOT to the Artists (to whom they say they are trying to protect)

So once again the Artists are getting NOTHING out of it, only now people will find their songs even less often than before. RIAA? Instead of getin X% of the CD's worth they get 100%... I'm trying to catch the fairness/legality here..

Holo · 09-08-2003, 03:56 PM

This is why I do my piracy research for school on less popular networks.

If you think this is low check this latest brainstorm by the mafRIAA:

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/7903

meff · 09-08-2003, 04:03 PM

I'm not going to even get started on the RIAA. I can't believe how music itself seems monopollized by a corporation. ClearChannel is just as bad

oldtimer · 09-08-2003, 04:14 PM

Ha! I suggest we join: www.boycott-riaa.com

H12 · 09-08-2003, 06:19 PM

I despise the RIAA. They've actually scared me out of downloading music now. Sad, I know, but they can rest assured they won't see another CD bought by me again until I can safely sample music again.

You just lost a customer. Congrats, you egomaniac assholes.

Leviathan[NCV] · 09-08-2003, 06:34 PM

All I hear is whining.

Plain and simple, you are downloading copyrighted material you don't own. I dont care if you like it, it's *illegal*.

The record companies could charge $50 for a CD, and there is nothing wrong with that. Why? Because *they* own it, and it is *their* choice. It is your choice whether to pay such a price or not.
You can turn to illegal means to get what you want, but be ready to pay the piper.

nostalgic1 · 09-08-2003, 07:45 PM

i admit it is illegal... but it is also ridiciulous that i should have to 18.99 for a disc that cost a mere 75 cents to make....

Leviathan[NCV] · 09-08-2003, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nostalgic1
i admit it is illegal... but it is also ridiciulous that i should have to 18.99 for a disc that cost a mere 75 cents to make....

So I take it you haven't factored in all the people the record companies employ. The cost of recording sessions, distributers, stores, all people who benefit from this just like any other business.

And the point still remains... its their choice...

bermuDa · 09-08-2003, 07:56 PM

especially all those lawyers they need to sue all the people who wouldn't otherwise buy the stuff they download!

I think the term "lost revenue" is a bit misleading, considering if I couldn't listen to the music I have for free, I simply wouldn't listen to it.

The_Dude · 09-08-2003, 08:09 PM

what a bunch of assholes.

Destrox · 09-08-2003, 08:20 PM

I honestly dont see the real issue with buying cd's.

New releases are around 12-14$ , older or not as new 15-19$.

This isnt that bad people, you cannot justify stealing by any means.

I 100% do not agree with the riaa, but if you get caught, its your own fault.

RIAA and whoever else gets money off that simply are just making a living. The whole sueing thing pisses me off, since they are taking money they've loss from piracy and getting it out a few people. Thats just not fair, but it is fair to sue for loss income.

BuddyHawks · 09-08-2003, 08:26 PM

But I think that the industry is going about this the wrong way. In an attempt to bring people back to the idea of buying music, they file law suites and fine consumers; which i believe scares more people away from the stores than it brings in.

MacGnG · 09-08-2003, 11:24 PM

i'm soooo glad they have time to catch actual criminals benefitting from selling pirated materials

...oh wait, they aren't doing that!

johnnymysto · 09-09-2003, 08:04 AM

I know this is an OOOOLD argument, but what's the difference between downloading songs and taping them off the radio like I used to do when I was a kid? Nothing. There is no difference. Well, I see that the radio doesn't play the entire CD, but the principle is still the same. People have ALWAYS copied and shared music. So, waaaaah.

Jesus Pimp · 09-09-2003, 09:17 AM

So are the music artists going to be compensated from these lawsuits or is all the money going into the pockets of the RIAA?

krazykemist · 09-09-2003, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by johnnymysto
I know this is an OOOOLD argument, but what's the difference between downloading songs and taping them off the radio like I used to do when I was a kid?

I do not like the methods of the RIAA any more than the next guy.
In fact I downroght loathe the organization.
The major argument to your statement is that when you were a kid and recorded the song only you had a copy and maybe a friend you gave one to.
Whereas with fileswapping it would be the same as if you made say 15,000 copies of that tape and gave one to everyone you know.
Recording copies of copywrited music has been around a long time, in fact I still have a few blank 8 Track tapes. It's the sheer quantity of the copies and relative ease of doing so that has them taking these ridiculous measures at times.

09-08-2003, 01:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
Glad-I-Ate-Her Junkie Location: 1 mile from Ground Zero	RIAA sues 261 file swappers The shoe has dropped: By John Borland Staff Writer, CNET News.com September 8, 2003, 10:57 AM PT update The Recording Industry Association of America said it has filed 261 lawsuits against alleged file swappers Monday, charging the computer users with "egregious" copyright infringement potentially worth millions of dollars. The long-awaited barrage of lawsuits marks a turning point in the industry's three-year fight against online song-trading services like Kazaa and the now-defunct Napster, and one of the most controversial moments in the recording industry's digital history. After long years avoiding direct conflict with file swappers who might also be record buyers, industry executives said they have lost patience. Monday's lawsuits are just the first wave of what the group said ultimately could be "thousands more" lawsuits filed over the next few months. "Our goal is not to be vindictive or punitive," said RIAA President Cary Sherman. "It is simply to get peer-to-peer users to stop offering music that does not belong to them." The lawsuits mark the first time that copyright laws have been used on a mass scale against individual Internet users. Legal actions have been taken on a sporadic basis against operators of pirate servers or sites, but ordinary computer users have never before been at serious risk of liability for widespread behavior. The RIAA said that's the point it's underlining with the unprecedented legal action. From the rise of Napster until today, tens of millions of people have started trading songs, movies and software online through services such as Kazaa with little thought for the legality of their actions. Even as the threat of Monday's lawsuits loomed, more than 2.8 million copies of the Kazaa software were downloaded last week, according to Download.com, a software aggregation site operated by CNET News.com publisher CNET Networks. Indeed, a recent study by the Pew Internet and American Life Project found that 67 percent of people downloading music said they did not care whether the music was copyrighted or not. The slew of suits will put a serious price tag on those actions for the first time. Under copyright law, violators can be held liable for up to $150,000 per violation--a measure that could result in stunningly high damage figures for some of the defendants in this round of suits. According to the RIAA, most of the people sued Monday were sharing 1,000 songs or more on the file-swapping networks. Few of the suits are likely to go to trial, however. In the RIAA's previous round of copyright suits, filed against four university students in April, each defendant quickly settled, agreeing to pay damages of between $12,000 and $17,000. Many of today's defendants are also likely to settle. Sherman said "a handful" of defendants had already agreed to preliminary settlement agreements, averaging payments of about $3,000 apiece. Later settlements will likely have a higher price tag, since they will be coming after the lawsuits have been filed, Sherman said. However, each suit is being filed with information advising defendants whom to contact if they want a settlement. Attorneys not involved in the dispute say the defendants will be hard-pressed to make a convincing case if the RIAA's evidence holds up in court. The industry trade group has collected long lists of files being shared by each defendant, traced those files to a specific network address and used subpoenas to link that address to a specific Internet account. Copyright law forbids distributing unauthorized copies of protected works, as well as actually making unauthorized copies. People who have shared considerable amounts of copyrighted files on file-swapping networks are likely to be seen as distributors, many attorneys say. "This will be an uphill battle for anyone to defend," said Evan Cox, an intellectual property attorney with Covington and Burling in San Francisco. "When people put that many files in a shared folder and allow that to be exposed to the Internet, it's a pretty sure thing that they're distributing those copies." Critics of the RIAA actions, including most notably the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), said that the RIAA might have made mistakes in some cases, including those where an Internet subscriber's account is held by several people, where parents were unaware of their children's behavior or where the Net account is connected to a wireless network being made available to the public. "You have to assume that the recording industry actually got the right person," EFF attorney Fred von Lohmann said. "It's Mom and Dad's name on the ISP account, for example, but that doesn't mean it's Mom and Dad using Kazaa. There are going to be a lot of complications." The suits were filed across the United States, and included users of Kazaa, Blubster, Grokster and several other file-swapping software programs. Several related lawsuits remain open as these go to court. A handful of Internet service providers, including Pacific Bell Internet Services, a division of SBC Communications, in California, have challenged the validity of the subpoenas used by the RIAA to collect file swappers' identities. One individual, who as yet remains anonymous, has also challenged the subpoena process, saying it violates her right to privacy. Alongside the lawsuits, the RIAA also released details of an online amnesty campaign, offering worried file swappers a provisional shield against being sued if they turn themselves in before a suit is filed. Under the "Clean Slate" program, file swappers must destroy any copies of copyrighted works they have downloaded from services such as Kazaa, and sign a notarized affidavit pledging never to trade copyrighted works online again. Anybody who signs and returns the document will not be targeted by the RIAA based on past infringement, Sherman said. However, if their names come up in future file-swapping sweeps, any amnesty seekers could be liable for potentially higher damages based on "willful infringement." The group said it would not use the information gathered for marketing purposes or share it with any other group of copyright holders. Critics such as the EFF's von Lohmann dismissed the assurances, saying that the RIAA's privacy policy allowed the information to be shared if "required by law," a clause which could allow groups such as music publishers or Hollywood studios to subpoena the information from the RIAA to use in their own lawsuits. Glad __________________ I'm "Glad I Ate Her" because the payback was worth it!!

09-08-2003, 03:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	That, and all that settlement money, where exactly is it going to? Oh.. oh yeah, OF COURSE! Who would have thought it to be so simple?!?!? No really tho, it is simple, all that money goes to the RIAA's pockets, but NOT to the Artists (to whom they say they are trying to protect) So once again the Artists are getting NOTHING out of it, only now people will find their songs even less often than before. RIAA? Instead of getin X% of the CD's worth they get 100%... I'm trying to catch the fairness/legality here.. __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.

09-08-2003, 03:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
Holo A Real American	This is why I do my piracy research for school on less popular networks. If you think this is low check this latest brainstorm by the mafRIAA: http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/7903 __________________ I happen to like the words "fuck", "cock", "pussy", "tits", "cunt", "twat", "shit" and even "bitch". As long as I am not using them to describe you, don't go telling me whether or not I can/should use them...that is, if you want me to continue refraining from using them to describe you. ~Prince

09-08-2003, 04:03 PM	#5 (permalink)
meff Vanishing, like I do.. Location: Austin, TX	I'm not going to even get started on the RIAA. I can't believe how music itself seems monopollized by a corporation. ClearChannel is just as bad __________________ Toy-like people make me boy-like.

09-08-2003, 04:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
oldtimer Addict	Ha! I suggest we join: www.boycott-riaa.com __________________ Slowly but surely getting over the loss of TFP v. 3.0. Where the hell am I?.... Showering once a month does not make you a better person. "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." Martin Luther King, Jr.

09-08-2003, 06:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
H12 I'm not about getting creamed, I'm about winning! Location: K-Town, TN	I despise the RIAA. They've actually scared me out of downloading music now. Sad, I know, but they can rest assured they won't see another CD bought by me again until I can safely sample music again. You just lost a customer. Congrats, you egomaniac assholes. __________________ "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act, but a habit." --Aristotle

09-08-2003, 06:34 PM	#8 (permalink)
Leviathan[NCV] Well... Location: afk	All I hear is whining. Plain and simple, you are downloading copyrighted material you don't own. I dont care if you like it, it's illegal. The record companies could charge $50 for a CD, and there is nothing wrong with that. Why? Because they own it, and it is their choice. It is your choice whether to pay such a price or not. You can turn to illegal means to get what you want, but be ready to pay the piper.

09-08-2003, 07:45 PM	#9 (permalink)
nostalgic1 Insane Location: Location: Location: Location:	i admit it is illegal... but it is also ridiciulous that i should have to 18.99 for a disc that cost a mere 75 cents to make.... __________________ I dare you to forget the marks you left across my neck from those nights when we were both found at our best. Now I could make this obvious, and you..you could deny me all in one breath. You could shrug me off your shoulders. Just forget me.. it's that simple.

09-08-2003, 07:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
bermuDa don't ignore this--> Location: CA	especially all those lawyers they need to sue all the people who wouldn't otherwise buy the stuff they download! I think the term "lost revenue" is a bit misleading, considering if I couldn't listen to the music I have for free, I simply wouldn't listen to it. __________________ I am the very model of a moderator gentleman.

09-08-2003, 08:09 PM	#12 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	what a bunch of assholes. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

09-08-2003, 08:20 PM	#13 (permalink)
Destrox Metal and Rock 4 Life Location: Phoenix	I honestly dont see the real issue with buying cd's. New releases are around 12-14$ , older or not as new 15-19$. This isnt that bad people, you cannot justify stealing by any means. I 100% do not agree with the riaa, but if you get caught, its your own fault. RIAA and whoever else gets money off that simply are just making a living. The whole sueing thing pisses me off, since they are taking money they've loss from piracy and getting it out a few people. Thats just not fair, but it is fair to sue for loss income. __________________ You bore me.... next.

09-08-2003, 08:26 PM	#14 (permalink)
BuddyHawks Swashbuckling Location: Iowa...sometimes	But I think that the industry is going about this the wrong way. In an attempt to bring people back to the idea of buying music, they file law suites and fine consumers; which i believe scares more people away from the stores than it brings in. __________________ Watch More TV

09-08-2003, 11:24 PM	#15 (permalink)
MacGnG Know Where!	i'm soooo glad they have time to catch actual criminals benefitting from selling pirated materials ...oh wait, they aren't doing that!

09-09-2003, 08:04 AM	#16 (permalink)
johnnymysto Overreactor Location: South Ca'lina	I know this is an OOOOLD argument, but what's the difference between downloading songs and taping them off the radio like I used to do when I was a kid? Nothing. There is no difference. Well, I see that the radio doesn't play the entire CD, but the principle is still the same. People have ALWAYS copied and shared music. So, waaaaah. __________________ "I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your request." - Capt. Barbossa

09-09-2003, 09:17 AM	#17 (permalink)
Jesus Pimp The Original JizzSmacka	So are the music artists going to be compensated from these lawsuits or is all the money going into the pockets of the RIAA? __________________ Never date anyone who doesn't make your dick hard.