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Fallon · 08-26-2003, 06:44 AM

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/6612677.htm
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Easing homework stress for high-gear students
P.A. SCHOOL AMONG THOSE LOOKING TO LIGHTEN LOAD
By Nicole C. Wong
Mercury News

The blasé summer days of hangin' out, lyin' around and doin' nothing are ending this week for many Bay Area teenagers, but that doesn't necessarily mean a return to the manic mode typical of ambitious high school students.

Lynbrook High School in San Jose will kick off school today with new guidelines that discourage teachers from assigning homework over weekends and holidays.

And Palo Alto High School, which welcomes students back Tuesday, is granting its first homework holiday at the end of the semester to give high-gear students some time to chill.

Administrators' attempts to lighten the homework load are part of Bay Area high schools' efforts to ease student stress.

The gestures acknowledge that the intense competition to win admission into elite universities by cramming teens' schedules with unwieldy amounts of academic classes and extracurricular activities may be taking a toll on students' physical, mental and emotional well-being.

`Kids are people'

``It's recognizing these kids are people. They're not just these little academic machines,'' Assistant Principal Chuck Merritt said of Palo Alto High's efforts to alleviate student stress.

In a world where students load their transcripts with advanced classes, sports, clubs and volunteer activities to impress colleges, education experts say concerns about stress are valid. Too much tension is linked to everything from cheating on tests to binge drinking and suicide.

``It's very scary,'' said Denise Clark Pope, a lecturer at Stanford University's School of Education. ``We're hurting our kids.''

Lynbrook High administrators said they have been working on reducing academic anxiety for a while. Students attend only half of their classes Tuesdays and Wednesdays, and they jump on trampolines and blow soap bubbles during the school's annual stress-free week.

``Some kids are just stressed all the time,'' said Barbara Minneti, Lynbrook's assistant principal for school climate. ``They don't have time to do anything. They're trying to pad their résumés with jobs and 2,000 clubs. And then they're doing homework until 2 o'clock in the morning.''

After watching exhausted students fall asleep in class after plowing through an average of seven to 10 hours of homework a night, the school created homework guidelines. Among other things, the guidelines recommend students be given reading and practice problems on topics already covered, instead of homework assignments dealing with material that their teachers have yet to explain in class.

Palo Alto High's homework holiday is a mandate, not a suggestion. This year teachers cannot assign any reading, exams or projects over the semester break. And apart from the college-level advanced placement courses, exams can't be given and projects can't be due the first day back from winter and spring breaks.

``It really is a chance to just shut down and regenerate,'' Principal Sandra Pearson said.

Such adjustments in the homework schedule may seem like good ideas, but often wind up being what Stanford's Pope calls ``Band-Aid approaches.''

Homework breaks might not change the total time students spend on essays and problem sets, she said.

Some have doubts

``Teachers just cheat and assign more due on Tuesday,'' said Pope, author of ``Doing School: How We Are Creating a Generation of Stressed Out, Materialistic, and Miseducated Students.''

Henry Dreyfus, who will be a senior at Palo Alto High, is not looking forward to the homework respite.

``There are ways to limit stress, and I don't think a homework holiday is a good one,'' said Henry, 17. ``We need the homework for reinforcement. I think as a result, we're going to get behind, and teachers are going to have to go over the same thing in class.''

But junior Christine Lockner, 16, said the brief break is ``all good if it actually works out.''

Students at Mission San Jose High School in Fremont won't see a significant change in how homework is handled. Instead, Principal Stuart Kew said, the school tries to take the edge off the college-prep craziness by reinforcing ``the concept of having a really memorable high school experience.''

Mission San Jose keeps in mind a lot of little things, like waiting to hold junior prom and senior ball until after advanced-placement testing ends.

``It's a once-in-a-lifetime experience,'' Kew said. ``We are concerned that some of our students might be forgoing those experiences because they're so highly concentrating on academics.''

Other approaches

San Jose High Academy is taking another tack toward soothing nerves frazzled by too much studying. The school has transformed a bland hallway into the Bulldog Cafe, where students can unwind as they admire the new mural, plants and Ikea furnishings.

``It gives a really nice relaxed feeling,'' Principal Betsy Doss said.

Some schools have discovered their swell stress-reduction ideas don't catch on.

The science department at Cupertino's Monta Vista High School thought more students would enjoy football games if they didn't have to worry about turning in lab reports the next day. So last year, science teachers attended many sporting events and handed out passes allowing students who stayed for the entire game to turn in any assignment a day late.

But after the first semester, ``it just kind of fizzled,'' said biology teacher Lani Giffin. Some students still sat in the library instead of in the bleachers. And others whined about inconsistency because teachers didn't attend junior varsity events.

``We tried to do something nice,'' Giffin said, ``and all we got were complaints.''
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From my standpoint, this sounds like someone is just trying to make people look better. As much as I hate homework, it actually helped me a bit. Even though I was applying to a couple schools, I still had time for my homework...

onodrim · 08-26-2003, 07:10 AM

From the standpoint of someone who was very bust all throughout high school, I definently would have appreciated the break from homework. However, always having homework to do keeps you motivated and hopefully keeps your mind on school. I think that officially restricting teachers from giving students homework over break, only encourages students to lose motivation for school, and see homework as a trivial thing. If they don't have to do it over break, why should they have to duriing the rest of the year? Part of being in school is working hard. Students can get all the break they need during the summer. Just my opinion.

Hash_Browns · 08-26-2003, 07:37 AM

Seems like someone just wants to eliminate bad grades from undone homework so in the end their grades are better and therefore the school looks better...But thats just MHO

Stress isn't from homework as I remember...stress was from not enough one on one attention and throwing smart kids into challenged kid classes because the school got paid more...but the kids got bored. I also feel that homework was a positive reinforcement...even if I never actually did much of my own...it wasn't because I was overloaded with it...I was also working and doing chores and taking care of my brothers and being stupid kid

Cynthetiq · 08-26-2003, 08:07 AM

hmmph... not that kids should have hour and hours of homework... but with the expectation of teaching and covering all the subjects, there just isn't enough time in the day.

Macheath · 08-26-2003, 08:43 AM

Stressed out? Suicidal? Maybe if they weren't told to either attain perfection and get that job as a Halliburton lawyer or say hello to the ghetto, they'd be a little more relaxed. Seems like this homework conundrum is part of something systemic.

tinfoil · 08-26-2003, 09:08 AM

Ya know what, I had tonnes of homework in school, part of being in an enriched/advanced mixed course. I also had a job which gave me about 20 hours a week. I managed to work, keep up with my homework and have a social life without going suicidal.

Stop farking babying the kids. School is supposed to prepare them for the real world that is full of stress, homework and dealines.

JBX · 08-26-2003, 10:11 AM

Dumbing of America

mml · 08-26-2003, 10:14 AM

I don't really think it is a question of whether kids have too much homework. I think that there is an attitude of coddling kids and then placing very high expectations upon them. I have a neighbor who constantly helped her daughter out with homework and let her quit her job in her senior year so she could focus on getting into college. Her daughter's grades faltered and she and mom got completely stressed out because the only school she got into was a state school, and frankly this girl may not really be suited for college.

You know, my parents helped me set goals during high school and required that I have a job. I took honors classes, was involved in clubs and yearbook, worked 15-20 hours a week and had a pretty successful social life as well. And let me tell you, those Jesuits heaped a pile of homework on us. I really put a large part of the blame on parents - not excessive homework.

Ripsaw · 08-26-2003, 11:11 AM

I fear the next generation of Americans raised on this system.

Hail to the voting public, for they serve us our fries.

Kaos · 08-26-2003, 02:45 PM

That is rediculous...The only stress kids get from Weekend homework is when they leave it until Sunday night at 11:00 PM.

Believe me, I know

Bamrak · 08-26-2003, 03:21 PM

Wonder if they're bosses will let them not do assignments because they're too stressful? You know, it's no wonder we're shipping jobs off to other countries.. our work ethic stinks for the most part.

lt1s10 · 08-26-2003, 04:39 PM

If it works out the way it's supposed to. I think it's great. I took a mix of AP/honors/regular classes in high school and worked 25-30 hours a week except during basketball season.

I didn't like doing my homework. If I understood the material and could take the test why should I do it 45 or 60 or 100 more times. I didn't have the best grades in any of my classes but I did well. Finished high school with a 3.8 GPA.

I loved college once I got there. All classes were test and project based. No daily homework. If you don't understand something you do more work till you do. If you understand it then you're done.

Work as hard as you want to accomplish what you want

Quietus · 08-26-2003, 04:51 PM

I don't see anything wrong with easing up the homework load a little bit. I just got through high school, and (at least my last two years) I took mostly AP classes, and after spending 7 hours a day in school, I would regularly spend another 3 hours a night--including weekends--working on homework. That's 56 hours a week. Add in an activity or two (we often spent 2-3 hours a night studying for Academic Decathlon) and that completely rules out much time for a life.

tinytim · 08-26-2003, 05:08 PM

Seven to ten hours of homework a night? Holy crap, that was like a months worth for me in highschool. Of course I now make about three dollars an hour so mabye its not so bad.

krwlz · 08-26-2003, 05:31 PM

No need for the easing up. I did it no problem, they can as well.

DEI37 · 08-26-2003, 06:04 PM

It's going from bad to worse. They want to improve the schools, so make the kids work less? I just don't get it. Modern school is already making kids VERY ill-prepared for real life.

08-26-2003, 06:44 AM	#1 (permalink)
Fallon Junkie Location: RI	Herm, I don't know what i feel about this.. http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/6612677.htm ------------------------------------------------ Easing homework stress for high-gear students P.A. SCHOOL AMONG THOSE LOOKING TO LIGHTEN LOAD By Nicole C. Wong Mercury News The blasé summer days of hangin' out, lyin' around and doin' nothing are ending this week for many Bay Area teenagers, but that doesn't necessarily mean a return to the manic mode typical of ambitious high school students. Lynbrook High School in San Jose will kick off school today with new guidelines that discourage teachers from assigning homework over weekends and holidays. And Palo Alto High School, which welcomes students back Tuesday, is granting its first homework holiday at the end of the semester to give high-gear students some time to chill. Administrators' attempts to lighten the homework load are part of Bay Area high schools' efforts to ease student stress. The gestures acknowledge that the intense competition to win admission into elite universities by cramming teens' schedules with unwieldy amounts of academic classes and extracurricular activities may be taking a toll on students' physical, mental and emotional well-being. `Kids are people' ``It's recognizing these kids are people. They're not just these little academic machines,'' Assistant Principal Chuck Merritt said of Palo Alto High's efforts to alleviate student stress. In a world where students load their transcripts with advanced classes, sports, clubs and volunteer activities to impress colleges, education experts say concerns about stress are valid. Too much tension is linked to everything from cheating on tests to binge drinking and suicide. ``It's very scary,'' said Denise Clark Pope, a lecturer at Stanford University's School of Education. ``We're hurting our kids.'' Lynbrook High administrators said they have been working on reducing academic anxiety for a while. Students attend only half of their classes Tuesdays and Wednesdays, and they jump on trampolines and blow soap bubbles during the school's annual stress-free week. ``Some kids are just stressed all the time,'' said Barbara Minneti, Lynbrook's assistant principal for school climate. ``They don't have time to do anything. They're trying to pad their résumés with jobs and 2,000 clubs. And then they're doing homework until 2 o'clock in the morning.'' After watching exhausted students fall asleep in class after plowing through an average of seven to 10 hours of homework a night, the school created homework guidelines. Among other things, the guidelines recommend students be given reading and practice problems on topics already covered, instead of homework assignments dealing with material that their teachers have yet to explain in class. Palo Alto High's homework holiday is a mandate, not a suggestion. This year teachers cannot assign any reading, exams or projects over the semester break. And apart from the college-level advanced placement courses, exams can't be given and projects can't be due the first day back from winter and spring breaks. ``It really is a chance to just shut down and regenerate,'' Principal Sandra Pearson said. Such adjustments in the homework schedule may seem like good ideas, but often wind up being what Stanford's Pope calls ``Band-Aid approaches.'' Homework breaks might not change the total time students spend on essays and problem sets, she said. Some have doubts ``Teachers just cheat and assign more due on Tuesday,'' said Pope, author of ``Doing School: How We Are Creating a Generation of Stressed Out, Materialistic, and Miseducated Students.'' Henry Dreyfus, who will be a senior at Palo Alto High, is not looking forward to the homework respite. ``There are ways to limit stress, and I don't think a homework holiday is a good one,'' said Henry, 17. ``We need the homework for reinforcement. I think as a result, we're going to get behind, and teachers are going to have to go over the same thing in class.'' But junior Christine Lockner, 16, said the brief break is ``all good if it actually works out.'' Students at Mission San Jose High School in Fremont won't see a significant change in how homework is handled. Instead, Principal Stuart Kew said, the school tries to take the edge off the college-prep craziness by reinforcing ``the concept of having a really memorable high school experience.'' Mission San Jose keeps in mind a lot of little things, like waiting to hold junior prom and senior ball until after advanced-placement testing ends. ``It's a once-in-a-lifetime experience,'' Kew said. ``We are concerned that some of our students might be forgoing those experiences because they're so highly concentrating on academics.'' Other approaches San Jose High Academy is taking another tack toward soothing nerves frazzled by too much studying. The school has transformed a bland hallway into the Bulldog Cafe, where students can unwind as they admire the new mural, plants and Ikea furnishings. ``It gives a really nice relaxed feeling,'' Principal Betsy Doss said. Some schools have discovered their swell stress-reduction ideas don't catch on. The science department at Cupertino's Monta Vista High School thought more students would enjoy football games if they didn't have to worry about turning in lab reports the next day. So last year, science teachers attended many sporting events and handed out passes allowing students who stayed for the entire game to turn in any assignment a day late. But after the first semester, ``it just kind of fizzled,'' said biology teacher Lani Giffin. Some students still sat in the library instead of in the bleachers. And others whined about inconsistency because teachers didn't attend junior varsity events. ``We tried to do something nice,'' Giffin said, ``and all we got were complaints.'' ----------------------------------------------------------- From my standpoint, this sounds like someone is just trying to make people look better. As much as I hate homework, it actually helped me a bit. Even though I was applying to a couple schools, I still had time for my homework...

08-26-2003, 07:10 AM	#2 (permalink)
onodrim Cosmically Curious Location: Chicago, IL	From the standpoint of someone who was very bust all throughout high school, I definently would have appreciated the break from homework. However, always having homework to do keeps you motivated and hopefully keeps your mind on school. I think that officially restricting teachers from giving students homework over break, only encourages students to lose motivation for school, and see homework as a trivial thing. If they don't have to do it over break, why should they have to duriing the rest of the year? Part of being in school is working hard. Students can get all the break they need during the summer. Just my opinion. __________________ "The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there’s little good evidence. Far better it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides" -Carl Sagan

08-26-2003, 07:37 AM	#3 (permalink)
Hash_Browns Psycho Location: Right behind you...BOO!	Seems like someone just wants to eliminate bad grades from undone homework so in the end their grades are better and therefore the school looks better...But thats just MHO Stress isn't from homework as I remember...stress was from not enough one on one attention and throwing smart kids into challenged kid classes because the school got paid more...but the kids got bored. I also feel that homework was a positive reinforcement...even if I never actually did much of my own...it wasn't because I was overloaded with it...I was also working and doing chores and taking care of my brothers and being stupid kid __________________ Smile It makes people wonder what you're up too!

08-26-2003, 08:07 AM	#4 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	hmmph... not that kids should have hour and hours of homework... but with the expectation of teaching and covering all the subjects, there just isn't enough time in the day. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

08-26-2003, 09:08 AM	#6 (permalink)
tinfoil Fucking Hostile Location: Springford, ON, Canada	Ya know what, I had tonnes of homework in school, part of being in an enriched/advanced mixed course. I also had a job which gave me about 20 hours a week. I managed to work, keep up with my homework and have a social life without going suicidal. Stop farking babying the kids. School is supposed to prepare them for the real world that is full of stress, homework and dealines. __________________ Get off your fuckin cross. We need the fuckin space to nail the next fool martyr.

08-26-2003, 08:43 AM	#5 (permalink)
Macheath Junkie Location: Sydney, Australia	Stressed out? Suicidal? Maybe if they weren't told to either attain perfection and get that job as a Halliburton lawyer or say hello to the ghetto, they'd be a little more relaxed. Seems like this homework conundrum is part of something systemic.

08-26-2003, 10:11 AM	#7 (permalink)
JBX Unfair and Imbalanced Location: Upstate, NY	Dumbing of America __________________ "Youth and Strength is no match for Age and Treachery"

08-26-2003, 10:14 AM	#8 (permalink)
mml Adrift Location: Wandering in the Desert of Life	I don't really think it is a question of whether kids have too much homework. I think that there is an attitude of coddling kids and then placing very high expectations upon them. I have a neighbor who constantly helped her daughter out with homework and let her quit her job in her senior year so she could focus on getting into college. Her daughter's grades faltered and she and mom got completely stressed out because the only school she got into was a state school, and frankly this girl may not really be suited for college. You know, my parents helped me set goals during high school and required that I have a job. I took honors classes, was involved in clubs and yearbook, worked 15-20 hours a week and had a pretty successful social life as well. And let me tell you, those Jesuits heaped a pile of homework on us. I really put a large part of the blame on parents - not excessive homework. __________________ Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -Douglas Adams

08-26-2003, 11:11 AM	#9 (permalink)
Ripsaw Chef in Training	I fear the next generation of Americans raised on this system. Hail to the voting public, for they serve us our fries. __________________ "We are supposed to be masters of space, but we cant even line up our shoes?" One life, one chance, one opportunity.

08-26-2003, 02:45 PM	#10 (permalink)
Kaos Ssssssssss Location: Ontario	That is rediculous...The only stress kids get from Weekend homework is when they leave it until Sunday night at 11:00 PM. Believe me, I know

08-26-2003, 03:21 PM	#11 (permalink)
Bamrak Enter Title Here Location: Tennessee	Wonder if they're bosses will let them not do assignments because they're too stressful? You know, it's no wonder we're shipping jobs off to other countries.. our work ethic stinks for the most part.

08-26-2003, 04:39 PM	#12 (permalink)
lt1s10 Crazy	If it works out the way it's supposed to. I think it's great. I took a mix of AP/honors/regular classes in high school and worked 25-30 hours a week except during basketball season. I didn't like doing my homework. If I understood the material and could take the test why should I do it 45 or 60 or 100 more times. I didn't have the best grades in any of my classes but I did well. Finished high school with a 3.8 GPA. I loved college once I got there. All classes were test and project based. No daily homework. If you don't understand something you do more work till you do. If you understand it then you're done. Work as hard as you want to accomplish what you want

08-26-2003, 04:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
Quietus Tilted Location: Tempe, AZ	I don't see anything wrong with easing up the homework load a little bit. I just got through high school, and (at least my last two years) I took mostly AP classes, and after spending 7 hours a day in school, I would regularly spend another 3 hours a night--including weekends--working on homework. That's 56 hours a week. Add in an activity or two (we often spent 2-3 hours a night studying for Academic Decathlon) and that completely rules out much time for a life.

08-26-2003, 05:08 PM	#14 (permalink)
tinytim Tilted	Seven to ten hours of homework a night? Holy crap, that was like a months worth for me in highschool. Of course I now make about three dollars an hour so mabye its not so bad.

08-26-2003, 05:31 PM	#15 (permalink)
krwlz Fledgling Dead Head Location: Clarkson U.	No need for the easing up. I did it no problem, they can as well.

08-26-2003, 06:04 PM	#16 (permalink)
DEI37 Go faster! Location: Wisconsin	It's going from bad to worse. They want to improve the schools, so make the kids work less? I just don't get it. Modern school is already making kids VERY ill-prepared for real life. __________________ Generally speaking, if you were to get what you really deserve, you might be unpleasantly surprised.