MacGnG

You either use drugs or you don't, whatever the reason is. BUT...

Would they be soo bad if they were legal?
Are you just opposed to all drugs?

I have been wondering why people think drugs are so bad. I am talking about illicit drugs in general not any specific drug.

We know that some drugs are much worse than others.

punx1325

Any drug is bad, they all have side-effects, even the legal ones. People think they are "bad" because of the long term effects

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JTC

Drugs would definitely be more common if they were legal. There is no doubt in my mind they would not be frowned upon nearly as much.

However, the danger is the effect they have on people. There is no dispute that the buzz you get from drugs is great but it's the damage that they do to you and the ease of addiction that makes them dangerous. This is why governments make them illegal and this is why they are advertised as bad, evil things. It's a scare tactic but it's their way of controlling the problem.

You just have to look at cigaretes to see that the majority of people cannot control an addiction and a drug addiction is one of the worst kind.

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lykwen

I don't believe the drugs are bad, like everything else it's how they are used. Someone can use heroin, have fund and that's it. It becomes bad when someone is addicted, does anything to get their fix and becomes society's menace and burden.

One thing which disgusts me about the drug situation in America is that you must never, ever smoke/take anything for fun, except for alcohol, which _is_ a drug, but we're guided to ignore that. However if you have a headache, muscle cramp, if you're too tired, if you're too awake, if you can't get a boner, if you can't function in social situations... JUST TAKE A PILL. Know what folks? If you're out jogging and your leg starts to hurt... it's because something's wrong and your body wants you to stop punnishing it! Should you listen and quit stomping on your torn muscle? Nah, just take some Advil™ and you'll be fine.

These are drugs too and we're influenced to take them at the slightest provocation. We're even shown how people are terribly unhappy before taking the wonder drug and suddenly, afterwards, they're 5000% better, attractive, famous and life is wonderful.

Another lovely piece of hypocracy which I hate is how young people are told in every conceivable way: DO NOT HAVE SEX. If you have sex you'll be a whore, get pregnant, get a disease, walk bowlegged, go to hell... At the same time these kids get to see Viagra (and the new ladies flavour) pills hawked by people who claim that their lives were absolutely falling apart and they were near divorce and/or suicide because they couldn't fuck. Now that they can go at it like rabbits (at $10 a pop in the USA, YMMV) they love each other, the sky is clearer, lights are brighter and they get a big, fat tax refund cheque.

To summarise:
Drugs aren't bad, it's what one does with them.
The hypocracy between demonizing recreational drugs and promoting medicinal drugs is sickening.
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WhoaitsZ

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Drugs can be horrendous, deadly, life saving, helpful, they can kill you, they can save you.

Everyone with a brain knows this. His question, though, was if drugs were legal would it be ‘bad’? evil, frowned upon.

I think they would be considered bad by a lot of folks due to the fact that so many people are ignorant of drugs and their affects.

I truly believe most drugs should be legal and laws should not bitchslaps H dealers but put them out of commission and treat users of such addictions with care to get them clean. I do think if you want to do it is your choice but, despite my views of free will, I kind of think I’d support a zero tolerance stance on H, crack, meth, and PCP.

If they were legal a lot of stress would die because so many live in fear of being caught. A lot of kids won’t even try good carreeres due to past drug use and until it is legal it will be a dangerous, dirty business causing severe harm.

Not to mention if you do cocain your government my stop bombing farmers because of Americans have no self control.

BigGov

I knew guys in high school whose lives were going good, they were track towards a good life.

Then they started doing marijuana. They didn't do cocaine, meth, heron, they just smoked, drank, and smoked pot. And that's the most they'll ever achieve with their lives.

Yes. Drugs are bad. Would they be bad if they were legal? Yes, if not more so because of accesibility. Yes, marijuana is extremely easy to get, but I've known some people who wouldn't even want to be around marijuana because they didn't want to get busted if some friend had it.

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sixate

Alcohol and tobacco products are bad for you and they're legal. So obviously, drugs will always be bad for you. I could care less if they were legal. It won't change the fact that all drugs fuck you up.

AxelF

I think all is clear for me on this.

Some like them and use many no matter if some of them are illegal. Nothing is bad.

Some use nothing even though some are legal. All is bad.

Some use only legal drugs and select not to break the law. And cares little about what others do. Illegal drugs are harder to find.

Some use only legal drugs and fears illegal drugs. They have bought the propaganda. They hate users of illegal drugs..

Maybe only the last group would change their view a little over a longer time if softer drugs became legal.

But who cares what other people think anyway.

This is a little like driving. Som break all laws. Some never. When you don't it can be because you don't want to pay fines OR because you think it is everybodys duty to be legal and you keep policeing the traffic yourself by blocking people and get all upset if you see someone drive to fast.

I dislike the last group. Why? Because they go "look at that killer, he goes 45 km/h on this 30-road fuckning asshole!!". Later the speed limit is changed on that road to 50 km/h and they themself starts to drive 50 there. Now they don't consider themself killers now do they? So it is all about not wanting others to get ahead in traffic or life. They don't dare to cut corners in life so they don't like others that do. They are simply jealous of those who do.

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Mel

what do you mean by bad?... bad for you? that wont change...

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MSD

Everything would be exactly the same if they were legal, except for the part where people get shot over illicit deals and dealers throw nastier stuff in pot to get people hooked on other stuff. The other thing I can think of is that marijuana wouldn't be a gateway drug anymore because dealers wouldn't have to try to convince people to try something more profitable.

Menoman

Its kind of pointless to talk about "Drugs" Being bad, because I can tell you now that if your tripping on Acid, your going to be more dangerous than if your buzzed on some pot.

If you really want to have this discussion I believe you should make it more like, How about Marijuana? Why should it be illegal? Now, on to Shrooms? Coke? Heroin? Etc, etc.

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Lebell

Well, what 'bad' drug are we talking about? Pot? E? Smack?

What has not been said is that all the 'bad' drugs that you are talking about started out legal, but then were made illegal.

As an example, opium and it's derivative heroin, were legal for a very long in the East and West (you could buy heroin over the counter in a drug store). As governments saw the devastating effects these two drugs had on generations of people THEN they made them illegal.

So if you want to know what would happen if these drugs were made legal again, just open up your history books, or alternatively, pick a drug and find out what does happen in those parts of the world where they are still legal.

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jfranco13

If drugs were legal, we wouldn't have to listen to the government telling us that we're supporting terrorists by buying pot.

Hoping that doesn't digress into an argument about whether people actually do support terrorism by buying illegal drugs (to some extent we probably do) or whether the US gov't is a terrorist organization (depends on your definition)

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Mr. Spacemonkey

I don't care if drugs are made legal or whether they are always illegal because i'm not planning on doing them anytime soon.

As for the question of "would they be so bad if they were legal?" Well for me it would depend what drug we are talking about. Some drugs can lead to other drugs which can lead to really bad drugs.

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Mael

i've known people who've had the same thing happen to them, but with alcohol. it's not the drug that's the problem. it's peoples desire to get away from their problems. they happen to just use a certain drug to forget about/avoid their problems. also, some people have "addictive" personalities. you know, where they find something that they like, something fun, and they take it to an extreme level. that alone can ruin people. i have that to some extent. my drug for a while was online MMORPG's. it let me forget about the shit that was going on in the real world and get away. i played way too much, didn't care about school and could have concievably lost my job/failed out of school thus ruining my future. i didn't, but i don't think i was far off.

drugs aren't the problem. they're just the means.

BigGov

I went to a very big high school, about 2000 people over 3 grades.

A very large percentage smoked tobacco, an even larger percent drank. A decent sized percentage smoked marijuana every now and again, a small percentage smoked marijuana regularly.

A small percentage of the school turned into fuck-up's. Most of them did all three.

One of the main reasons why the decent sized percentage of marijuana smokers only did it now and again is the fear of getting caught and such.

I don't know much about how things have worked outside of my town, I'm just talking from my own personal experience. It could be completely different somewhere else, that's one of the problems with this issue as a whole.

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Dragonlich

Just a small factoid: In the Netherlands, pot is semi-legal. Yet, the number of users is *lower* than in, say, the UK, where it is illegal.

Tourists come to Amsterdam from all over the planet just to smoke weed... And everyone seems to think we Dutch people must all smoke it too - after all, it's *legal*, isn't it??? Well, yes it is, and no, we don't.

bermuDa

I've think that people act more responsibly when you give them the option of being irresponsible. At first there might be more drug use, but once people get it out of their systems they'll move on with their lives (of course there are always exceptions), and the following generations will see a decrease in drug use, since it's no longer taboo.

we seek the forbidden, largely because we're told not to.

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hotdogg

Any drug that alters ones mood has the potential for being addictive...Even non drugs(sex, gambling, chaos, eating)... Anything that can consume ones time and thoughts and that leads to obsession can be "bad". Ask anyone who lost a loved one to alcoholism if drugs are fun. Legal or not, if we engage in any "drug", we have to understand that a percentage of us will be come addicted...why take the chance with drugs that have the potential to ruin ones life, or at least understand the danger signals of addiction and tread carefully, very carefully.

BBtB

Two very true statements. Anything,wether legal or illegal, can be good or bad. It all depends on where,when,how much and how often you take it. The truth is if you do coke a few times it probably wont have any ill effects. And it is also true that most people who do coke do not get addicted. The problem comes in the people that do. Because the people that do get addicted get really addicted. My point is this, the original question was "Would drugs be bad if they were legal". My response to that is no, and they are not bad now. What is bad is the drug culture in some (but not all) areas. And yes that would get better atleast. Here is what would happen if lets say just marijauna was made legal. First there would still be scare tactics from the goverment. Don't be fooled into thinking it has to be illegal for that. They still do it for alcohol and tobacco. Not just anyone could buy it either. I personally would want the same laws applied to it as are currently applied to alchohol. The same laws as far as buying as well as being in public and driving. So as far as all the fears of it becomming legal and the schools being flooded with it (and I hate to tell you this but most of them allready are), well its still going to be illegal for student age kids. Also a store is much more inclined to ask for ID then a drug dealer. And thats another thing. Most drug dealers who sell in marijuana also deal in other drugs as well. I do not believe in the whole gateway drug theory BUT I do believe that any marijuana smoked has access to harder drugs if they want it. That would of course stop if it was legal. Now as far as drug money going to terrorist. I am sure we all allready know that this is a gross exaggeration. I mean it is possible, a number of terrorist groups do make and sell drugs. Of course most of our drugs are made in the country, then the ones that aren't the leading importers are canada and mexico. Now thats not to say drug money doesn't go to bad people. It goes to drug dealers who are typically shady people in the first place. Past that alot of it goes to american street gangs. Ever wonder how all them gang members don't have jobs but are able to afford their cars and 9mm? Another thing that would happen is the cost of marijauna would fall, and the goverment could (and would) turn around and tax it. Thats alot of extra income. I personally wouldn't mind paying it because even with the taxes on it it would still be cheaper then it is now. The thing is is that people who premote keeping it illegal always have this illusion of the good citizen not smoking because it is illegal. Of course there will be some of those but there will also be lots of people like me. People who don't do something just because the goverment tells you you can and also don't not do something just because the government tells you you can't. Who is the government? The government is simply a rulling body of men (and a few women) who make up rules and enforce them through military force. They could be,and often are, wrong. Well what I say is what the goverment doesn't know doesn't hurt them and I don't plan on getting caught doing anything illegal anytime soon.

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YourNeverThere

Look at gin in the early 20's, It was bigger than heroin is now, and it's legel,

Alright pick a drug, lets start small, in fact lets start with a drug we all do, oxygen, it makes us slower, burns our lungs slowly, and it's morbidly addictive. Point here is that everything is a drug.

Next one, Alcohol, it's legel, it's abused, it's way way worse for us then pot, and the government makes tons from it.

Next one, pot, it's illegal, the government makes tons of money from it by staging a 'war on drugs' so that they can keep a war economy and spend vast amounts of money to enforce the superfluous rules.
An other side effect, pot becomes a gateway drug, people go to thier dealers and buy pot, then they know the dealers and since the drug has it's own community becuase of the fact that smoking it is 'rebelous' the members of that venerable community end up trying harder and harder drugs, all becuase of it's illegality.
One more side effect of pot that would evaporate if legalized is that people who get perscribed pot for medical purposes wouldn't have to resort to buying it on the streets when the supply from the government falls apart.

Next shrooms, these, when not smoked arn't really that bad for you, they are addictive in high doses, I've only ever heard of one person going to rehab for it, a friend of mine who was doing then every other day for a while, thing about then is that after you come down you feel really dirty and you don't want to take them again, which is good becuase you build up a tolerence fast.
Next Acid, and really anything harder. these are the ones that we all agree are bad, they will fuck up your life no amount of justification could overcome the facts on these, schedule I drugs, the worst. Thing is, the people doing them are going to be doing them with or without the law, so if there were legal then the government could enforce some quality control to the drugs and people dying from dealers cutting the meth with rat poison would still be alive and have a chance at life. Also, we could set up FUNCTIONAL rehabilitation centres, insteed of the half assed methadone clincs of today.

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MacGnG

this is true, i saw it on the history channel and forgot that.

as for what "bad" means? who cares? i was trying to get a discussion started.

if they were legal there would still be problems, etc...

As Z said... we need to try to get addicts clean and give them help to get them straight again.... this is called "Harm Reduction" many european countries follow this. it works. things like needle programs, addiction centers and gov't supported rehab.


*drugs in general* are bad; legal or not, if they were legal there would be less stigma and propaganda, safer drugs, i would guess almost no drug related crimes, but it would still be problem none the less.

as with tobacco and alcohol, they are legal and abused by the majority of users, but that is because it's accepted by society to do so.

Dragonlich noted "factoids" from different countries, i did not know that. something interesting.

what bermuDa stated is what many people say and i agree. many older peopls that did drugs in their teens and 20s stop after they realize whatever it is . (i'm not that old so i dunno )

thanks to all who gave a useful reply.

megaspam

Never touched a drug in my 21 years (alcohol & tobacco included).
But I don't think it's right to penalize people for harming themselves. If it's not hurting anybody else, by all means make 'em legal. Obviously make it illegal to drive under the influence of drugs, as that hurts others.
My $.02.

fezman

There's just so many things wrong with this post it's hard to know where to begin.

First off, it's hard to equate Gin and Heroin... I mean the Heroin producers don't have too many lobbyists in congress, now do they? Not to mention the fact Heroin is many many times more deadly. I'm not talking about how many lives are lost yearly, but about the size of a lethal dosage.

Next statement about oxygen, show me anyone with a scientific degree that believes Oxygen is a drug (fake on-line degrees don't count). A drug is something other than food or water that affects our mind. Oxygen is something our body REQUIRES just like food and water, so it falls into that category. Oxygen certainly isn’t addictive, either. Of course not breathing is fatal, but that’s a stupid reason to call something a drug. And how exactly does oxygen burn our lungs in the standard amounts we breathe on a day to day basis (and not other elements in the atmosphere)?

Just because Alcohol is legal here doesn’t say much. These things vary from country to country depending more on social beliefs than on anything else. The alcohol industry has very powerful lobbyists in congress, and it’s socially acceptable to drink, therefore it’s legal.

About pot and the government making money off of it… your argument makes exactly zero sense. In fact, you prove yourself wrong by saying they spend vast amounts of money in the war against it. If they taxed it (like they do alcohol) then they could have an income of money from it, but otherwise it’s all expenses, so no profit possible. And any fines they collect from criminals are nothing compared to the expenses of just catching said criminals.

As far as it being a gateway drug, I don’t believe it’s the drug itself but the people you buy it from and use it with that cause you to go on to harder drugs. Just making it illegal however wouldn’t solve this problem. People are always searching for ways to feel better, I mean look at rollercoasters. They’ve always been legal, and riding a small one makes you want to ride a bigger faster one without any help from anyone else. That’s just human nature.

If pot was legalized people would still have to sneak around and be secretive about it, because it’s not entirely socially acceptable. Even if it was legal you would still be looked down upon for using it, might lose your job, etc. That’s something that wouldn’t change for a LONG time.

As far as shrooms and acid goes, I don’t know much about those drugs so I’m not going to pretend I do and argue with anyone over them. However I don’t believe the quality-controlled mass-production of acid or heroine, etc. would solve the problem of people dying from their use. Those drugs are just dangerous by definition.

I definitely agree with JTC on the fact that you can’t trust people to control themselves. Even if currently illegal drugs are not dangerous when used in moderation, as soon as you legalize them people will believe that means they’re perfectly safe, and proceed to completely screw up their lives with them. I mean, if people need to be told that they shouldn’t use a toaster in their bathtub, then we need to be cautious as to how much we trust them to use potentially dangerous or lethal drugs.

Remember, common sense isn't common.

MacGnG

fezman: i think there's a lot of stuff wrong with your post but i dont really feel like pointing them all out.<hr>

"drug money supports terrorists" this is said because in afghanistan there are a great number of opium poppy plants that are harvested and processed into heroin and the like. I know that in India these things are government controlled, (i would guess that it is the same there too). it is strictly monitored and it is LEGAL, because the gov't controls it, and the drugs are used for research and medical uses, etc...

http://www.uwmc.uwc.edu/political_sc...opiumprod.html

etla

I think they can be bad, but hey what ever floats a persons boat. However if a person is impared by drugs they shouldn't be working in public places (resturants/banks/construction etc. etc. and definetly not driving/flying. So bring on the legalization effort but rachet up Druving while impared laws at the same time. And that includes people who drive on 3 hours sleep in the last 48.

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What if drugs were checked by the government but not restricted? Say, perhaps, that you had to submit any substance to government labeling. The lable would summarize any effects evidenced during well conducted research. Any medicinal claims would have to be proven to a group of medical experts, as is the case currently. Otherwise, adults could purchase and use anything, so long as they hold noone but themselves to be legally responsible.

I believe this would have to be accompanied by four careful restrictions. Significant efforts would need to be made to prevent people still in the first stages of growth from becoming intoxicated; teenagers need to experience their emotional highs and lows while sober enough to remember them. In addition, any cars and other heavy equipment would need to have built-in checks of judgement, dexterity and reaction time. Employers would have to be allowed to administer appropriate tests of ability at the begining of the work day and after lunch. Last but not least, effective addiction recovery would have to be available at prices anyone with a full-time job could afford.

I'm not sure these limitations are feasible, so perhaps it is best to ban most of the fun drugs. When you realize having one legal intoxicant (liquor) is beyond many people's ability to handle, putting other drugs out of reach almost seems reasonable. Can you imagine how people would overeat if McDonald's sold marijuana? Or how some people would drive home from a cocaine themed dance club? Since America's economy is based on its labor force, what would happen to our wealth relative to other countries if a major portion of our population became hopelessly addicted?

tavis26

can they be bad, yes. But are the possible effects that much more devastating than the long-term effects of tobacco or even the short-term effects of alchohol? Noone has EVER OD'd on marijuana (don't believe your middle school health teacher), but i know plenty of people who have drank themselves into the hospital.

i think legallity would create widespread awareness of personal limitations, and help curve the number of problems.

i'm still waiting for the day when i can go to the Texaco for a pack of joints

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hobo

No drugs is always better. The negative side effects just aren't worth it. Whether it is legal or not, I'm not doing them. Just like how I choose not to smoke.

MacGnG

not only do i agree with the rest of what u said but this is an important statement that many don't realize.

The first time you get tooo drunk you realize your limits and u dont drink nearly that much again, it is the same with all other things in life.

Mael

uh... go to a college campus. you'd be surprised by how many times people drink more than they can handle. and while it's probably more often unintentional than intentional, the fact is, it still happens a lot. i know my limitations, that doesn't mean i don't ever overstep them.

legolas

Just look at cigarettes, I think that's enough said.

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fuzzix

I don't think you can win either way, but I think the situation would be FAR worse if all drugs were legal. Most people transgress to acohol because it's legal, if pot was legal most people would go for that too, if heroin was legal it'd be the same - then you get the problems, with the addictive drugs, or drugs that impair judgement, it would be complete carnage, car crashes and accidental death would be astronomical in frequency. But the "war on drugs" isn't helping either, I think the best thing to do would be to keep drugs illegal, but keep the fines/prison sentances to a minimum - thereby reducing the cost of drugs and the income and power of drug traders, a small portion of society would be seduced by drugs and short sentances, but most wouldn't so it would probably work out for the best.

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Cynthetiq

drugs have a place... been being used in it's "pure" form since the ancient times straight from the roots, rocks, and animals. Those in this thread that they don't do any drugs... well don't eat any food because most food today has some sort of drugs in them.

"drugs" meaning contraband? just plain silliness and a waste of debate.

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BBtB

What exactly are you basing the assumption on? I mean all drugs were legal up till about 70 years ago. This world you describe of everyone going drug crazy has never existed before so why should we assume it will happen now? I mean considering the fact that they were never made illegal for health reasons (it was actully based on money,politics and racism, like most things) This idea that humans, if given free access to something,will then just go and overuse it like crazy is completely baseless.

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MacGnG

things that have already been stated:

In amsterdam, where pot IS legal, fewer people ABUSE pot than in the UK where it is ILLEGAL.

i'm sure there would be a huge boost in use _initially_, but that's why there are drug/driving laws; to protect non users who choose not to use drugs, from being harmmed by careless drivers.

pot should be legal, considering the recent research on how it is incredibly LESS harmful than was thought. with gov't supervision, an easily administered breath test for drivers suppected of driving under the influence of THC, and simple harm reduction techniques used by many european nations, it would be far safer than thought.

If the government body is watching the drugs, they will be safe, taxable, and profitable for many industries far beyond first thought.

this isnt an argument for ANYONE to use drugs, (that was never my intention) but rather a motivation for people to think differntly and possitively for the possible quality control and public understanding of *fairly* harmless drugs.

things to note: it is virtually IMPOSSIBLE to Overdose on THC; your lungs would collapse before you smoked too much pot.

xavier

I thing some drugs are bad but i do feel that they should be legal. No one should have the right to say no you can't snort anything up your nose or put a needle in your arm. People should be able to do what they want, if they weren't legal i don't think people would want to do them as much(Like a child being told "no" will want the object more). Maybe there will still addicts out there but there are plenty of drunks in the world and no one is illegalizing alcohol. I feel that a person is addicted to something in one way or another. If a person wants to do drugs let him. To each his own.