Heavy Marijuana use Doesn't Damage Brain - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

IC3 · 08-20-2003, 10:31 AM

And I have always said that smoking Marijuana has little or no effect on your brain....But some people seem to think it makes you stupid.

I know there are or were some people on TFP that said Marijuana makes you stupid...I hope they read this.

Article is

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By Sid Kirchheimer
Reviewed By Michael Smith, MD
on Tuesday, July 01, 2003
WebMD Medical News

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July 1, 2003 -- Long-term and even daily marijuana use doesn't appear to cause permanent brain damage, adding to evidence that it can be a safe and effective treatment for a wide range of diseases, say researchers.

The researchers found only a "very small" impairment in memory and learning among long-term marijuana users. Otherwise, scores on thinking tests were similar to those who don't smoke marijuana, according to a new analysis of 15 previous studies.

In those studies, some 700 regular marijuana users were compared with 484 non-users on various aspects of brain function -- including reaction time, language and motor skills, reasoning ability, memory, and the ability to learn new information.

Surprising Finding

"We were somewhat surprised by our finding, especially since there's been a controversy for some years on whether long-term cannabis use causes brain damage," says lead researcher and psychiatrist Igor Grant, MD.

"I suppose we expected to see some differences in people who were heavy users, but in fact the differences were very minimal."

The marijuana users in those 15 studies -- which lasted between three months to more than 13 years -- had smoked marijuana several times a week or month or daily. Still, researchers say impairments were less than what is typically found from using alcohol or other drugs.

"All study participants were adults," says Grant, professor of psychiatry and director of the Center for Medicinal Cannabis Research Center at the University of California, San Diego School of Medicine.

"However, there might be a different set of circumstances to a 12-year-old whose nervous system is still developing."

10 States OK Marijuana Use

Grant's analysis, published in the July issue of the Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society, comes as many states consider laws allowing marijuana to be used to treat certain medical conditions. Earlier this year, Maryland became the 10th state to allow marijuana use to relieve pain and other symptoms of AIDS, multiple sclerosis, cancer, glaucoma, and other conditions -- joining Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington.

Medicinal marijuana is available by prescription in the Netherlands and a new marijuana drug is expected to be released in Great Britain later this year. In the U.S. and elsewhere, Marinol, a drug that is a synthetic form of marijuana and contains its active ingredient, THC, is available by prescription to treat loss of appetite associated with weight loss in AIDS patients.

Grant says he did the analysis to help determine long-term toxicity from long-term and frequent marijuana use. His center is currently conducting 11 studies to determine its safety and efficacy in treating several diseases.

"This finding enables us to see a marginal level of safety, if those studies prove that cannabis can be effective," Grant tells WebMD. "If we barely find this effect in long-term heavy users, then we are unlikely to see deleterious side effects in individuals who receive cannabis for a short time in a medical setting, which would be safer than what is practiced by street users."

Grant's findings come as no surprise to Tod Mikuriya, MD, former director of non-classified marijuana research for the National Institute of Mental Health Center for Narcotics and Drug Abuse Studies and author of The Marijuana Medical Handbook: A Guide to Therapeutic Use. He is currently president of the California Cannabis Medical Group, which has treated some 20,000 patients with medicinal marijuana and Marinol.

'Highly Effective Medicine'

"I just re-published a paper of the first survey for marijuana toxicity done in 1863 by the British government in India that was the most exhaustive medical study of its time in regards to possible difficulties and toxicity of cannabis. And it reached the same conclusion as Grant," Mikuriya tells WebMD.

"This is merely confirming what was known over 100 years ago, as well as what was learned by various government findings doing similar research -- marijuana is not toxic, but it is a highly effective medicine."

In fact, marijuana was available as a medicinal treatment in the U.S. until the 1930s.

Lester Grinspoon, MD, a retired Harvard Medical School psychiatrist who studied medicinal marijuana use since the 1960s and wrote two books on the topic, says that while Grant's finding provides more evidence on its safety, "it's nothing that those of us who have been studying this haven't known for a very long time.

"Marijuana is a remarkably safe and non-toxic drug that can effectively treat about 30 different conditions," he tells WebMD. "I predict it will become the aspirin of the 21st century, as more people recognize this."

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Darkblack · 08-20-2003, 10:44 AM

Hehe, well I disagree. I am all for legalization and I agree that it isn't more harmful than drinking or smoking but I do not agree that it has no effects on the brain. I know some pot heads and I knew them before they smoked a couple blunts a day. There is a huge difference in how they function now.

IC3 · 08-20-2003, 10:46 AM

I am not going to disagree with you, but I have friends that smoke daily...And the only difference that I see in them is that they are more laid back than before they started smoking.

I only smoke on the weekends and maybe once or twice during the week...Depending what shift I am working.

JBX · 08-20-2003, 10:48 AM

i tHInk i t hAS umm kNow afect aTol.

IC3 · 08-20-2003, 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by JBX
i tHInk i t hAS umm kNow afect aTol.

I guess I should have mentioned that if you are going to act like a kid...Don't bother replying.

Darkblack · 08-20-2003, 11:07 AM

I also think that people who smoke will not know the difference in other people who smoke.

I am not saying people that smokers are retards. I am saying that it does effect your short term and long-term memory. That laid back attitude your talking about is called laziness. It is a result of long-term memory loss. But hey, I am no scientist or anything. I just know what I see. Maybe all the potheads I know are an exception.

IC3 · 08-20-2003, 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by Darkblack
I also think that people who smoke will not know the difference in other people who smoke.

I am not saying people that smokers are retards. I am saying that it does effect your short term and long-term memory. That laid back attitude your talking about is called laziness. It is a result of long-term memory loss. But hey, I am no scientist or anything. I just know what I see. Maybe all the potheads I know are an exception.

My friends who smoke everyday are pretty active.

Alot of them are into sports like, Hockey, Soccer, Snowboarding, Rollerblading.

I like Hockey & Snowboarding...But Being laid back does not mean you are a lazy person

sixate · 08-20-2003, 11:23 AM

All I know is I work with and know many other weed smokers and there is absolutely a difference. I can tell about 98% of the time when someone smokes weed. It's that obvious to me. To say that a drug that effects the brain doesn't do damage is just ridiculous. It's like saying that smoking cigs won't damage your lungs.

Darkblack · 08-20-2003, 11:28 AM

What the....this is a first. Someone take a screenshot.

I AGREE WITH SIXATE!!!!!

IC3 · 08-20-2003, 11:34 AM

All I know is that There use to be a Marijuana thread on TFP 3.0 and the majority who was against Marijuana was saying that "The Scientists know more than a pot head...I trust a scientist before i do a pot head"

Well...These are Scientists who are doing these tests...So where has the trust gone that you had in Scientists?

Kaos · 08-20-2003, 11:35 AM

I'm sorry, but I've seen many smart people slowly turn into braindead morons from pot smoking. And you know what? The lungs aren't meant to take in ANY smoke, whether it is cigarettes or pot, or pollution, etc. All of these cause lack of oxygen to the brain and cause damage.

IC3 · 08-20-2003, 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by Kaos
I'm sorry, but I've seen many smart people slowly turn into braindead morons from pot smoking. And you know what? The lungs aren't meant to take in ANY smoke, whether it is cigarettes or pot, or pollution, etc. All of these cause lack of oxygen to the brain and cause damage.

Well pollution is something that were always breathing in...If you live in a city, So That means everybody who lives in the City is going to become Brain dead morons just from going outside and breathing?

Are you sure that these people you seen turn into brain dead morons were just using Marijuana and nothing else?

Hell...My Uncle who is in his late 40's has been smoking Marijuana since he was a Teenager and he has a beautifull house. Has a very good job and making alot of money...And a loving Family.

I can't say that anybody I know who smokes weed is in the dumps or has nothing to do with his/her life....They all seem to have a goal and working on achieving it.

Darkblack · 08-20-2003, 11:56 AM

Well, you also are a user, correct?

This is also only one study done. There are scientists on both sides of this arguement. Like I said, smoking pot doesn't make you a retard but it will have a long term effect with daily use.

floonine · 08-20-2003, 12:32 PM

I personally regret ever doing any drugs ever. If it doesn't actually do long term damage to anything, it still makes you feel like an idiot... or maybe I just smoked some really good weed?

kalisto_911 · 08-20-2003, 12:37 PM

Did anyone else notice that the Doc's name was Igor???

Poke Smot !

Halx · 08-20-2003, 12:54 PM

Let me tell you all about studies. Reports like this are probably bullshit no matter what they say, good or bad. It all depends on who funded the study. Have you ever read a study funded by the tobacco industry that states that nicotine is addictive? No. However, you have seen such reports from anti-smoking groups.

Choose to believe what you want, but I can see from my personal experience (I dont need any heavily biased study to tell me) that smoking pot will make you quite dull.

Moral of the story: It's ALL propaganda.

World's King · 08-20-2003, 12:54 PM

And sniffing glue helps your memory.

08-20-2003, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by Darkblack
I also think that people who smoke will not know the difference in other people who smoke.

I am not saying people that smokers are retards. I am saying that it does effect your short term and long-term memory. That laid back attitude your talking about is called laziness. It is a result of long-term memory loss. But hey, I am no scientist or anything. I just know what I see. Maybe all the potheads I know are an exception.

Do you have any proof for your claims on long/short term memory? And I work 50 hours a week, read about 300 pages in whatever book I have that week, play basketball almost every day, and walk almost everywhere I go(no license). So I wouldn't consider myself lazy. And considering I probably smoke about as much as anyone else on the boards, I would consider you wrong.

Mr. Spacemonkey · 08-20-2003, 01:39 PM

People will believe what they want to believe. You can convince yourself all you want that smoking marijuana does no damage and you can ignore all the facts, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that smoking marijuana DOES fuck up your brain.

Nisses · 08-20-2003, 01:41 PM

World's King: it really does... It helps to stick to my brain better!

for every rapport made public that says Marijuana doesn't affect anything, there are at least 2 or 3 that say the absolute opposite...

I guess this is a case of people believing what they want to believe.

edit: damn, Mr. Spacemonkey beat me to it. Guess I should learn to type faster

docbungle · 08-20-2003, 02:48 PM

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All I know is I work with and know many other weed smokers and there is absolutely a difference. I can tell about 98% of the time when someone smokes weed. It's that obvious to me. To say that a drug that effects the brain doesn't do damage is just ridiculous. It's like saying that smoking cigs won't damage your lungs.

I agree. I have several guys/girls who work for me and some of them are potheads and some of them aren't. It's not very difficult to tell them apart. In fact, it's blatantly obvious. They are usually unaware of how obvious it is, 'cause they're always stoned.

YzermanS19 · 08-20-2003, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by Halx
Moral of the story: It's ALL propaganda.

I completely agree with Hal. There were books upon books published by Philip Morris about studies which found that Nicotine is not addictive and tar is healthy for the lungs. Yeah right.

In all honesty, the actual effects and long-term damages of EVERYTHING are pretty shady...talk to a different group of scientists, get a different opinion. Hell, eggs are a perfect example. Good for you, bad for you, good, bad, back and forth.

Chances are that its probably a mixture of both sides. Yeah it causes long-term damage, but not to the extent of what alot of people think.

IC3 · 08-20-2003, 03:37 PM

I knew before posting this article that it does effect your brain...But not like everybody says it does.

I like to smoke weed because...

I love the feeling It gives me.....Way better than drinking.

Playing video games and listening to music is priceless when your high on weed.

Oh ya...Eating too, Everything is good when your high. Except McDonalds.

It seems like everybody I meet either smokes or use to smoke but now just...I guess you could call them a social smoker.

YourNeverThere · 08-20-2003, 05:22 PM

Basicly, what Hal said is that it's all propaganda, the government has paid for a number of "reserach" projects that say it's bad, and when others (non-commerical people) scrape together enough cash they get a project that says it's fine, even good. It doesnt matter, Alcohol is way worse, smoking is way worse, and yet it's illegal. It's not legal, making it sometimes a gateway drug, becuase you have to buy it from shady people etc.etc.etc ad nasium. Basicly it's a personal choice, do it if you want to, I llike it personally, if you dont want any great more for me.

Fly · 08-20-2003, 08:22 PM

it's all about responsibilities folks

if you get your priorities in check,then wtf is the problem?

and laid back is nothing like lazy.......

lazy is the pricks whose weight i have to pull every day at work....(no gumption at all)

and laid back is what i do with a joint after work,after i finished pullin' those pricks weight all day.

MSD · 08-20-2003, 08:24 PM

I don't smoke, I don't think it is as bad as people say it is, but I admit that it has a lot of bad effects. I won't tell anyone what to do as long as they give me that same respect and stay out of the driver's seat while high or impaired.

StormBerlin · 08-20-2003, 08:39 PM

It's been my experience that people who use marijuana, also use other drugs. I think that is where the stupidity comes from that is associated with smoking weed, from the harder drugs.

YourNeverThere · 08-20-2003, 09:24 PM

Storm Berlin, thats the point i was making sort of, People who use pot dont use other drugs BECUASE of the pot, they do becuase they have the connections, the gateway. If it was legal then that gateway wouldn't exsit

Renegade · 08-20-2003, 09:33 PM

I don't care if you do it in your own home, but when you assholes smoke that shit at concerts it royally pisses me off! Why should I have to breathe that shit in just cause I'm there. Same for smokes! I should not get sick cause I want to enjoy a concert.

Plan9Senior · 08-20-2003, 11:12 PM

No offense, but I always find it comical when people try to glorify their bad habits

Phaenx · 08-20-2003, 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by MrSelfDestruct
I don't smoke, I don't think it is as bad as people say it is, but I admit that it has a lot of bad effects. I won't tell anyone what to do as long as they give me that same respect and stay out of the driver's seat while high or impaired.

You say that until you have to work with (or in my case) for a couple useless dolts who make you cover their asses. It's cool until it affects me, destroy yourself all you want, but do it in a government internment camp for druggies out in the pacific or something.

cradeg · 08-21-2003, 01:31 AM

a friend of mine smoked alot .. i mean on a day about 5 to 10 joints. in these years he changed alot ... i am not sure if it damaged his brain but he was a diffrent person , he was alot more slow on all things, also thinking ... so maybe you call this getting dumb from it.

he stopped a few months ago because he needs his brain to learn , he feels better, works better and he is happier now ... he learned his lesson

all things you do too much are bad ... like

everything is poisoness it depends only on the quantum

rooster · 08-21-2003, 05:00 AM

i agree with halx is all propaganda money talks .legalize it cant be any worse than whiskey.

Midnight_Son · 08-21-2003, 09:52 AM

I would like to point out two things:

1. I smoked a butt load of weed in high school
2. My I.Q. is 126

Darkblack · 08-21-2003, 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by cnor
I would like to point out two things:

1. I smoked a butt load of weed in high school
2. My I.Q. is 126

Well shit! There is the proof we were looking for. Let's just make it legal. Since it must make you smarter let's require students to smoke pot everyday.

/sarcasm off

I don't smoke pot and my I.Q. is 126.

Did that help my point at all?

It is a mind-altering drug. I am all for making it legal because it is no worse than drinking. Some scientists say that drinking is not bad for you. It actually is beneficial. So if I pound a 12 pack a day am I not going to die from it?

Smoking a joint every now and then is not going to hurt you. Drinking 1 glass of wine with dinner is not going to hurt you. With such a high I.Q. you should be able to figure out what I am saying here.

Midnight_Son · 08-21-2003, 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by Darkblack
Well shit! There is the proof we were looking for. Let's just make it legal. Since it must make you smarter let's require students to smoke pot everyday.

/sarcasm off

I don't smoke pot and my I.Q. is 126.

Did that help my point at all?

It is a mind-altering drug. I am all for making it legal because it is no worse than drinking. Some scientists say that drinking is not bad for you. It actually is beneficial. So if I pound a 12 pack a day am I not going to die from it?

Smoking a joint every now and then is not going to hurt you. Drinking 1 glass of wine with dinner is not going to hurt you. With such a high I.Q. you should be able to figure out what I am saying here.

Ok, point taken. However, I'm also smart enough to not believe everything I read…..or for that mater everything mommy and daddy told me.

ANYTHING in excess will kill you or turn your brain to goo. That’s not the issue,

Anyway, we’ve all got our opinions, and that’s cool. I was just pointing out mine…..I do not want it to turn into a pissing match.

StormBerlin · 08-21-2003, 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by YourNeverThere
Storm Berlin, thats the point i was making sort of, People who use pot dont use other drugs BECUASE of the pot, they do becuase they have the connections, the gateway. If it was legal then that gateway wouldn't exsit

Just because Marijuana becomes legal doesn't mean a gateway to other drugs wont exist. Only next time, the gateway will be Cocaine until that becomes legalized, then it will be Heroin, then that will become legalized...

5t3v3 · 08-21-2003, 10:26 AM

I believe people's body react to marijuana differently. Some don't get affected as much while others do. I for one think I got brain damage from the usage. No, I'm not retarded now but I can't remember as much anymore. I dunno why but I blame marijuana. Anyways, no more marijuana for me now. I'll just stick with booze.

XenuHubbard · 08-21-2003, 11:04 AM

"All study participants were adults," says Grant, professor of psychiatry and director of the Center for Medicinal Cannabis Research Center at the University of California, San Diego School of Medicine.

Well, that's one biased source if I ever saw one.
Besides, the ages of the test subjects weren't mentioned either.
A bunch of 19-year-old college students?
Or a bunch of 60-year-old hippies?

It makes a big difference.

I used to smoke, I don't anymore. Too much hydro out there, and people I know who grow it wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. 2 friends have had psychosises, and I've seen others become heavily addicted. (Mental addiction - I know it isn't physical.)

I agree that more research is needed - but with ALL details made public. This is similar to the hippie-argument that it makes you smarter because your brain increases in weight when you smoke.

Darkblack · 08-21-2003, 11:06 AM

Hehe I don't want this to be a pissing contest either. I think they need to do some more research though.

08-20-2003, 10:48 AM	#4 (permalink)
JBX Unfair and Imbalanced Location: Upstate, NY	i tHInk i t hAS umm kNow afect aTol. __________________ "Youth and Strength is no match for Age and Treachery"

08-20-2003, 11:56 AM	#13 (permalink)
Darkblack Banned Location: Pennsytuckia	Well, you also are a user, correct? This is also only one study done. There are scientists on both sides of this arguement. Like I said, smoking pot doesn't make you a retard but it will have a long term effect with daily use. Last edited by Darkblack; 08-20-2003 at 12:00 PM..

08-20-2003, 12:32 PM	#14 (permalink)
floonine Insane Location: Silicon Valley, Utah	I personally regret ever doing any drugs ever. If it doesn't actually do long term damage to anything, it still makes you feel like an idiot... or maybe I just smoked some really good weed? __________________ Political arguments do not exist, after all, for people to believe in them, rather they serve as a common, agreed-upon excuse. Foolish people who take them in earnest sooner or later discover inconsistencies in them, begin to protest and finish finally and infamously as heretics.

08-20-2003, 12:37 PM	#15 (permalink)
kalisto_911 Psycho Location: Dreams	Did anyone else notice that the Doc's name was Igor??? Poke Smot ! __________________ I know not how I may seem to others, but to myself I am but a small child wandering upon the vast shores of knowledge, every now and then finding a small bright pebble to content myself with. [Plato]

08-20-2003, 12:54 PM	#16 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	Let me tell you all about studies. Reports like this are probably bullshit no matter what they say, good or bad. It all depends on who funded the study. Have you ever read a study funded by the tobacco industry that states that nicotine is addictive? No. However, you have seen such reports from anti-smoking groups. Choose to believe what you want, but I can see from my personal experience (I dont need any heavily biased study to tell me) that smoking pot will make you quite dull. Moral of the story: It's ALL propaganda. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

08-20-2003, 10:44 AM	#2 (permalink)
Darkblack Banned Location: Pennsytuckia	Hehe, well I disagree. I am all for legalization and I agree that it isn't more harmful than drinking or smoking but I do not agree that it has no effects on the brain. I know some pot heads and I knew them before they smoked a couple blunts a day. There is a huge difference in how they function now.

08-20-2003, 10:46 AM	#3 (permalink)
IC3 Poison Location: Canada	I am not going to disagree with you, but I have friends that smoke daily...And the only difference that I see in them is that they are more laid back than before they started smoking. I only smoke on the weekends and maybe once or twice during the week...Depending what shift I am working.

08-20-2003, 11:07 AM	#6 (permalink)
Darkblack Banned Location: Pennsytuckia	I also think that people who smoke will not know the difference in other people who smoke. I am not saying people that smokers are retards. I am saying that it does effect your short term and long-term memory. That laid back attitude your talking about is called laziness. It is a result of long-term memory loss. But hey, I am no scientist or anything. I just know what I see. Maybe all the potheads I know are an exception.

08-20-2003, 11:23 AM	#8 (permalink)
sixate Registered User Location: Somewhere in Ohio	All I know is I work with and know many other weed smokers and there is absolutely a difference. I can tell about 98% of the time when someone smokes weed. It's that obvious to me. To say that a drug that effects the brain doesn't do damage is just ridiculous. It's like saying that smoking cigs won't damage your lungs.

08-20-2003, 11:28 AM	#9 (permalink)
Darkblack Banned Location: Pennsytuckia	What the....this is a first. Someone take a screenshot. I AGREE WITH SIXATE!!!!!

08-20-2003, 11:34 AM	#10 (permalink)
IC3 Poison Location: Canada	All I know is that There use to be a Marijuana thread on TFP 3.0 and the majority who was against Marijuana was saying that "The Scientists know more than a pot head...I trust a scientist before i do a pot head" Well...These are Scientists who are doing these tests...So where has the trust gone that you had in Scientists?

08-20-2003, 11:35 AM	#11 (permalink)
Kaos Ssssssssss Location: Ontario	I'm sorry, but I've seen many smart people slowly turn into braindead morons from pot smoking. And you know what? The lungs aren't meant to take in ANY smoke, whether it is cigarettes or pot, or pollution, etc. All of these cause lack of oxygen to the brain and cause damage.

08-20-2003, 12:54 PM	#17 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	And sniffing glue helps your memory. __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

08-20-2003, 01:39 PM	#19 (permalink)
Mr. Spacemonkey Wake up Location: Nowhere special	People will believe what they want to believe. You can convince yourself all you want that smoking marijuana does no damage and you can ignore all the facts, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that smoking marijuana DOES fuck up your brain. __________________ "I hope that when the world comes to an end, I can breathe a sigh of relief, because there will be so much to look forward to." -- Donnie Darko

08-20-2003, 01:41 PM	#20 (permalink)
Nisses Shade Location: Belgium	World's King: it really does... It helps to stick to my brain better! for every rapport made public that says Marijuana doesn't affect anything, there are at least 2 or 3 that say the absolute opposite... I guess this is a case of people believing what they want to believe. edit: damn, Mr. Spacemonkey beat me to it. Guess I should learn to type faster __________________ Moderation should be moderately moderated.

08-20-2003, 03:37 PM	#23 (permalink)
IC3 Poison Location: Canada	I knew before posting this article that it does effect your brain...But not like everybody says it does. I like to smoke weed because... I love the feeling It gives me.....Way better than drinking. Playing video games and listening to music is priceless when your high on weed. Oh ya...Eating too, Everything is good when your high. Except McDonalds. It seems like everybody I meet either smokes or use to smoke but now just...I guess you could call them a social smoker.

08-20-2003, 05:22 PM	#24 (permalink)
YourNeverThere Practical Anarchist Location: Yesterday i woke up stuck in hollywood	Basicly, what Hal said is that it's all propaganda, the government has paid for a number of "reserach" projects that say it's bad, and when others (non-commerical people) scrape together enough cash they get a project that says it's fine, even good. It doesnt matter, Alcohol is way worse, smoking is way worse, and yet it's illegal. It's not legal, making it sometimes a gateway drug, becuase you have to buy it from shady people etc.etc.etc ad nasium. Basicly it's a personal choice, do it if you want to, I llike it personally, if you dont want any great more for me. __________________ The Above post is a direct quote from Shakespeare

08-20-2003, 08:22 PM	#25 (permalink)
Fly see the links to my music? Location: Beautiful British Columbia	it's all about responsibilities folks if you get your priorities in check,then wtf is the problem? and laid back is nothing like lazy....... lazy is the pricks whose weight i have to pull every day at work....(no gumption at all) and laid back is what i do with a joint after work,after i finished pullin' those pricks weight all day. __________________ BASTARD SterlingStudios

08-20-2003, 08:24 PM	#26 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	I don't smoke, I don't think it is as bad as people say it is, but I admit that it has a lot of bad effects. I won't tell anyone what to do as long as they give me that same respect and stay out of the driver's seat while high or impaired.

08-20-2003, 08:39 PM	#27 (permalink)
StormBerlin Happy as a hippo Location: Southern California	It's been my experience that people who use marijuana, also use other drugs. I think that is where the stupidity comes from that is associated with smoking weed, from the harder drugs. __________________ "if anal sex could get a girl pregnant i'd be tits deep in child support" Arcane

08-20-2003, 09:24 PM	#28 (permalink)
YourNeverThere Practical Anarchist Location: Yesterday i woke up stuck in hollywood	Storm Berlin, thats the point i was making sort of, People who use pot dont use other drugs BECUASE of the pot, they do becuase they have the connections, the gateway. If it was legal then that gateway wouldn't exsit __________________ The Above post is a direct quote from Shakespeare

08-20-2003, 09:33 PM	#29 (permalink)
Renegade Crazy Location: Midwest	Drugs SUCK! I don't care if you do it in your own home, but when you assholes smoke that shit at concerts it royally pisses me off! Why should I have to breathe that shit in just cause I'm there. Same for smokes! I should not get sick cause I want to enjoy a concert.

08-20-2003, 11:12 PM	#30 (permalink)
Plan9Senior Banned Location: Orange County, California	No offense, but I always find it comical when people try to glorify their bad habits

08-21-2003, 01:31 AM	#32 (permalink)
cradeg Insane Location: Austria	my opinion a friend of mine smoked alot .. i mean on a day about 5 to 10 joints. in these years he changed alot ... i am not sure if it damaged his brain but he was a diffrent person , he was alot more slow on all things, also thinking ... so maybe you call this getting dumb from it. he stopped a few months ago because he needs his brain to learn , he feels better, works better and he is happier now ... he learned his lesson all things you do too much are bad ... like everything is poisoness it depends only on the quantum __________________ *************************** For every human problem, there is a neat, simple solution; and it is always wrong. ****************************

08-21-2003, 05:00 AM	#33 (permalink)
rooster Loser Location: missouri	i agree with halx is all propaganda money talks .legalize it cant be any worse than whiskey.

08-21-2003, 09:52 AM	#34 (permalink)
Midnight_Son The Cover Doesn't Match The Book Location: in a van down by the river	I would like to point out two things: 1. I smoked a butt load of weed in high school 2. My I.Q. is 126 __________________ SWM, tattooed, seeks meaningful tits and beer. Enjoys biker mags, pornography, and Sunday morning walks to the liquor store. Winners of erotic hot dog eating contests given priority.

08-21-2003, 10:26 AM	#38 (permalink)
5t3v3 Banned Location: Calgary	I believe people's body react to marijuana differently. Some don't get affected as much while others do. I for one think I got brain damage from the usage. No, I'm not retarded now but I can't remember as much anymore. I dunno why but I blame marijuana. Anyways, no more marijuana for me now. I'll just stick with booze.

08-21-2003, 11:04 AM	#39 (permalink)
XenuHubbard Cute and Cuddly Location: Teegeeack.	"All study participants were adults," says Grant, professor of psychiatry and director of the Center for Medicinal Cannabis Research Center at the University of California, San Diego School of Medicine. Well, that's one biased source if I ever saw one. Besides, the ages of the test subjects weren't mentioned either. A bunch of 19-year-old college students? Or a bunch of 60-year-old hippies? It makes a big difference. I used to smoke, I don't anymore. Too much hydro out there, and people I know who grow it wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. 2 friends have had psychosises, and I've seen others become heavily addicted. (Mental addiction - I know it isn't physical.) I agree that more research is needed - but with ALL details made public. This is similar to the hippie-argument that it makes you smarter because your brain increases in weight when you smoke. __________________ The above was written by a true prophet. Trust me. "What doesn't kill you, makes you bitter and paranoid". - SB2000

08-21-2003, 11:06 AM	#40 (permalink)
Darkblack Banned Location: Pennsytuckia	Hehe I don't want this to be a pissing contest either. I think they need to do some more research though.