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sixate · 08-12-2003, 05:31 PM

Hopefully, tougher than this dumbass!

Better yet, just be a little smarter than this moron.

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Sarasota police probe Toughman contest that killed woman

06/18/2003

By VICKIE CHACHERE, Associated Press

TAMPA — The death of a 30-year-old woman injured in a Toughman boxing competition she'd entered on an impulse sparked a police investigation Tuesday and renewed calls among boxing experts for a ban on such events,

Stacy Young was disconnected from life support Tuesday afternoon after being declared brain dead Monday night at Bayfront Medical Center in St. Petersburg, Bayfront spokesman Bill Hervey said. Hospital represenatives at one point Tuesday prematurely reported her death when she was still on life support.

Young, the mother of two girls, suffered swelling and hemorrhaging in the brain during a three-round Toughman boxing competition in Sarasota on Saturday. She'd entered the contest against another woman on an impulse and for "fun," her husband said.

"They tell us nobody's going to get hurt," Chuck Young told the Sarasota Herald Tribune. "The worst that could happen was to get a broken nose."

Stacy Young was knocked to the ground several times by her smaller opponent during the three-round fight.

She was one of three people injured during the competition put on by Michigan promoter Art Dore. Dore's amateur boxing matches have been banned in five states and are widely criticized by boxing experts for their lack of adequate supervision by both referees and fight doctors.

Florida officials have attempted to ban the matches, but a loophole in the state law has allowed Dore to continue staging the events, including Saturday's at publically-owned Robarts Arena at the Sarasota County Fairgrounds.

"Is unacceptable for this type of tragedy to occur," said Florida Boxing Commission Chairman Alvin Entin. "It's not harmless fun and, candidly, it's pretty stupid. It's quasi-barbaric."

In a statement released Tuesday from Dore's Bay City, Mich., office, Dore said he was saddened by Stacy Young's death, but said all safety precautions were taken prior to the event.

"When a contestant dies in the sport of their choice, it's a tragedy," Dore said in the statement. "But when it happens in a Toughman event, I am devastated. I know that all sports carry an inherent danger, but when I see it happen to a Toughman competitor, we all feel the loss deeply."

Dore said he intends to investigate the death. He defended his bouts, saying with 5,000 contestants in 24 years, his organization has "the best safety record among all forms of boxing."

Toughman fighters wear head gear, kidney protectors and 16-ounce gloves, but still three competitors have died in the last nine months and some say the total number of deaths in the circuit's 24-year history is as high as nine.

Sarasota Police spokesman Jay Frank said an inquiry was opened Tuesday morning into the incident and said Young's death is being investigated as a "suspicious" death.

Sarasota hosts the Toughman competition about once a year, but Frank said while there have been several injuries, Young's is the first death associated with the Sarasota bouts.

"We usually have more problems with people in the stands fighting each other," he said.

Florida lawmakers attempted to ban such fights in the 1990s, but Dore has managed to slip through loopholes and the technical definition of the law, said Chris Meffert, executive director of the Florida Boxing Commission.

Because Dore does not offer more than $50 in prize money in Florida, the Toughman bouts aren't considered professional boxing and aren't regulated by the state. Boxers in professional fights are required to undergo strict medical evaluations and referees undergo rigorous training before they can judge a fight.

Even if that law governing professional fights applied to Dore, it would only be a misdemeanor violation.

Amateur boxing in Florida is regulated by independent organizations which sponsor the events, such as the Police Athletic League or Golden Gloves. Dore's bouts are sanctioned by the American Boxing and Athletic Association — a nonprofit company he created and controls.

"He stays just within the law," Meffert said. "If I had my druthers, those types of events are unsafe and wouldn't be allowed in Florida."

Toughman was started by Dore in Michigan in 1979.

Participants must be at least 18-years-old and pay a $50 entry fee, sign a waiver releasing promoters from liability and have their heart rate and blood pressure checked by a doctor, said Joelle English, head of public relations for AdoreAble Promotions, the event's parent company. Boxers are ineligible if they have won five amateur bouts in the past five years.

Although Toughman fighters wear head gear, kidney protectors and 16-ounce gloves, there is still some danger.

Chuck and Stacy Young of Bradenton attended the Toughman contest Friday and decided to return Saturday after it was announced that the event needed additional boxers, Chuck Young said.

At 240 pounds, Stacy Young outweighed her opponent by about 60 pounds. But in the first 30 seconds of the bout, family members knew it was an uneven match, Jodie Meyers, Stacy Young's sister, told the Herald Tribune.

The other woman, who has not been publicly identified, was landing punches and knocking Stacy Young to the mat. Meanwhile, Stacy Young landed few punches during the three-round bout.

Stanley Simpson, a fight doctor and associate professor at Nova Southeastern College of Osteopathic Medicine, said doctors in Florida have been discussing how to stop the Toughman competition and similarly staged "barroom brawls" which have also caused deaths.

Simpson said people who participate in the fights have no idea how dangerous they are, and in many cases their judgment is clouded by alcohol sold at the events.

"They have lost their fear," he said. "They have no clue what could happen to them."

Simpson said any blow to the head will cause the brain to move within the skull and that will cause damage. Some of it will be superficial damage with no apparent effects, but the damage can also be permanent, he warned.

David Mills, a Sarasota County commissioner and member of the board which oversees the county fairgrounds, said he will ask that no more Toughman competitions be allowed at the Robarts arena and would support a countywide ban on such events.

"I would hope that's the last one we have in Sarasota County," he said. "It's terrible. It's a tragedy."

Obviously, I don't blame the guy that's in charge of these events. I heard this story on the Stern show today and what they said was there were only two women who entered the event and one woman didn't show up. So they asked someone in the crowd if they wanted to fight the woman that did showed up. No doubt the lady who stepped forward was a complete lardass and thought she could kick the shit out of the smaller woman in the ring. She got exactly what she deserved. It's too damn bad that this didn't happen before she decided to breed and raise a completely fucked up family. She was retarded for even doing something like this because she was a mother, and obviously a horrible one, that never had a rational thought fill her empty head. Now I'm sure the husband is gonna try to sue even though I'm sure he'll lose. It was her fault and he should blame himself for not having enough sense to tell his wife not to do something that dumb.

Double D · 08-12-2003, 05:38 PM

Wow, I'm just speechless.

I think I'll just take issue with your using the phrase *retarded,* and leave you with the sincere wish that nothing horrible (no matter how stupid) ever happens to a loved one of yours.

HeadyIncognito · 08-12-2003, 05:44 PM

I want to know more about that injury... I mean, she got knocked down a few times, and suddenly she's brain-dead? Who was her opponent anyway?

It's pretty fucked up.

sixate · 08-12-2003, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by Double D
Wow, I'm just speechless.

I think I'll just take issue with your using the phrase *retarded,* and leave you with the sincere wish that nothing horrible (no matter how stupid) ever happens to a loved one of yours.

If someone I cared about did this I'd say they deserved it and the world would be better off without them.

Fifteen Short · 08-12-2003, 09:44 PM

Tuffenuff

sta500 · 08-12-2003, 09:51 PM

Wimp. She should've known what she was getting into.

mml · 08-12-2003, 10:59 PM

Wow, the compassion is really flowing around here. Yes, it was dumb. Yes, she had no business being in the ring. Yes, the organizers have a responsibilty to ensure anyone getting into the ring in capable of doing so.

And while it does not offend me, "retarded" is really a loaded word.

Not trying to be PC, but come on people.

pansyboy8 · 08-12-2003, 11:01 PM

damn that hells sucks, yeah she shoulda known what she was getting in to, but still, i feel bad for her family

XenuHubbard · 08-13-2003, 02:17 AM

Stupid.

Anybody is literally one punch away from death.
Bad luck is all it takes.

Well, we have a night club here in Taiwan that has the same thing going - fights on the dance floor. Anybody can sign up, but you have to do so early. A lot of people want in on it.
I'm not signing up...

Darkblack · 08-13-2003, 06:51 AM

sixate you are what is wrong with society. I hope you have not decided to breed yet.

shalafi · 08-13-2003, 07:11 AM

If she was so obviously outclassed she should have stayed down for the 10 count. She was obviously a moron. Most people that get into these things do at least some form of boxing practice/training before hand to prepare.

Kaos · 08-13-2003, 10:25 AM

I've seen the video of that match, and she had no idea what she was doing. It was partially the referee's fault for not stopping the match sooner.

I'll try and find a link to that video.

Mr. Spacemonkey · 08-13-2003, 11:49 AM

Wow

Well, I'd have to agree that it wasn't too smart getting into the ring to box when she didn't even have training or any boxing practice but i still think calling her retarded and making fun of her is just a little too much.

sixate · 08-13-2003, 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by Darkblack
sixate you are what is wrong with society. I hope you have not decided to breed yet.

See, you logic is fucked up. I know I'm not ready to have kids so I don't have any. This stupid bitch didn't give a fuck enough about her or her kids to keep herself safe, but of course I'm the fucked up one. I'd like to know how I fuck up society when I don't do drugs, I don't drink, I don't fuck anything that moves, I work 6 or 7 days a week, pay my bills, pay my taxes, never get in trouble, and I'll bet my life on the fact that I'm one of the most honest and loyal people on the face of the god damn planet. Yet, I'm the reason society is soooo fucked up.

The world would be a boring place if everyone was like me.

I'll bet my balls on the fact that I'm more capable of being a parent than 80% of parents out there!!

Phaenx · 08-13-2003, 07:47 PM

240 lbs, yikes. I gotta say, the sight of that mountain of lard hitting the mat must have been nothing short of hypnotic.

gonadman · 08-13-2003, 09:01 PM

Because someone is an absolute moron do they deserve to die? If some idiot was about to jump off a cliff because he thought he could fly, shouldn't we step in and try to stop him?

After the first knockdown, when it was obvious she was getting the shit beat out of her, the fight should have been stopped. I like a good fight with talented opponents but who wants to watch a drunk get physically fucked up? Thats entertainment to a sadist.

Zargix · 08-13-2003, 09:11 PM

ok, so following that logic, we should kill all the mentally retarded people to "make the gene pool better", right?

Phaenx · 08-14-2003, 10:51 AM

Retards don't procreate guy.

TaLoN · 08-14-2003, 11:28 AM

what is the point of fighting if it isn't to the death???

TaLoN · 08-14-2003, 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by gonadman
Because someone is an absolute moron do they deserve to die?

yes

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Originally posted by gonadman
If some idiot was about to jump off a cliff because he thought he could fly, shouldn't we step in and try to stop him?

no

sixate · 08-14-2003, 11:36 AM

I would just like to add that I agree with TaLoN.

dnd · 08-14-2003, 12:38 PM

hmmm she may have been stupid etc but however stupid it may have been, she is still the kids parents and imagine how they must feel now... It ain't fair on them that they have watched their mother die more or less in front of their eyes.

butthead · 08-14-2003, 01:17 PM

I don't understand where your antagonism comes from, sixate.

None of you knew this woman, I think it's unfair to call her "stupid" or a "moron" because of a choice she made that lead to her unsuspected death (maybe reasonably so). If I climbed in a ring with someone, being the amateur I am, I would probably not assume the chances of me being killed would be terribly high. Most likely an asskicking at the worst.

EDIT: Also, if undesirable people are to be left to their own and waste their own lives (in your opinion) doing what they want, maybe you should shut up and let them do what they want.

water_boy1999 · 08-14-2003, 01:23 PM

Sixate, I have to agree with you, however, I take a tiny bit more of a compassionate approach. Yes, she was fucked up in the noggin way before she stepped into the ring. Yes, making a decision like that would probably be grounds for her making plenty of rash and idiotic decisions in the future. I do feel sorry for her and her family and friends that such a fucked up event even had to happen. And she isn't retarted.....she is mentally disabled.

butthead · 08-14-2003, 01:27 PM

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The world would be a boring place if everyone was like me.

Actually, I bet it would a miserable little rock filled with people who prejudge and mislabel people exactly like themselves. Quite far from boring, quite far from peaceful.

Assuming you're not the rediculously angsty teen-like tough guy you make yourself to be on the board.

butthead · 08-14-2003, 01:28 PM

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And she isn't retarted.....she is mentally disabled.

That would have been a funny joke to make when she was dying. Out of all the people I've seen called "mentally disabled", not one of them had a dead brain. Haha.

sixate · 08-14-2003, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by butthead
If I climbed in a ring with someone, being the amateur I am, I would probably not assume the chances of me being killed would be terribly high. Most likely an asskicking at the worst.

EDIT: Also, if undesirable people are to be left to their own and waste their own lives (in your opinion) doing what they want, maybe you should shut up and let them do what they want.

Get off the drugs you're on and maybe you'll realize the danger in what she did, and that it could just as easily happened to you if you did the same thing.

I let people do what they want and I'm all for dumb people being as selfdestructive as possible so death occurs.

BTW, your sig cracked me up.

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Originally posted by butthead
Actually, I bet it would a miserable little rock filled with people who prejudge and mislabel people exactly like themselves. Quite far from boring, quite far from peaceful.

I don't prejudge people. I judge them by what I've come to know about them. Newsflash! We all do that so don't even say that you don't cause you really don't know me other than from what you know from this board and you have already judged me just as I have judged you. I have no problem with that. Anyway, if people were like me I'd get along with everyone just fine, and there wouldn't be any drunks and drug addicts running around. Sounds great to me. Also, nobody would be smoking cigs!

sixate · 08-14-2003, 04:45 PM

I'll also give you some reasons as to why I am against drug/alcohol use sooo much. See, all my friends got hooked on drugs once we got into High School. I didn't really give a crap back then cause they were my friends. Now we're all around 26, give or take a year or two, and all of them still live at home. Don't have jobs and do absolutely nothing with their lives, but somehow they find a way to get cash for their drugs and booze. WTF! It's time to grow up. I was no saint either. I never did any drugs, but I did drink heavily for a little over a year right after I got out of high school. I mean heavily too. I wasn't a beer drinker. I liked hard alcohol. Give me a bottle of whiskey and it would be gone in about an hour. I drank the shit like water. I never liked to get drunk. I actually hated that feeling, but I really loved the taste of booze, and still do. I just choose not to drink. I will admit that I do drink about 2 or 3 three times a year, but only on a special occasion and I don't get drunk. Also, I won't say it's not hurting my body cause it is. It kills brain cells and damages my liver every single time I take a sip of the shit. There's nothing good about it. Anyway, I drank so much that all my druggie/drunk friends told me I was gonna be an alcoholic. I always laughed and told them I could quit any time I wanted cause I'm not the type of person to get addicted to anything. Of course they said that's what all alcoholics say. I proved them all wrong. I remember the day/minute I quit. I was at a friends drinking a bottle of whiskey back in October of 96 at about 11:37 pm and the 10 people in the house all made the statement that they liked me much better when I was drunk because I acted just like them........ I quit that second, I handed the rest of my bottle over to a friend of mine, walked out the door and didn't have a drink for 2 years, and stopped hanging out with them because I decided I wasn't going to be like them. I'm much better off today because of what I did that day.

On to the drugs. I have had personal experiences with people that piss me off to the point that I wish I could beat some sense into them. A friend of mine that I work with has a serious drug problem. You name it and he's doing it. Plus he drinks on top of that. He has a young child. He has tried to commit suicide twice and both times his boy saw it. The most recent was not too long ago. He hung himself, for a second time in just a few years, this time right in front of his boy. Almost died both times. As luck would have it people just happened to come over and get help to save his life. This last time he was in the hospital and I went to see him. I told him that he needed to get some help cause he had a kid and it was time to grow up. He threw his tray of food on me and spit in my face. I fucking lost it and punched him in his fucking nose and broke it. I'm not proud of what I did, but I know I'd do it again if I was ever in that situation. I damn near went to jail that night, but my friend didn't want to press charges, lucky for me. So it took along time to get the nurses calmed the hell down so they would just let it slide. The sad part is he is a drug addict, so is he ex, and his and her parents. Do you really think that this child has a chance? Dude, it's a fucking never ending cycle and he himself is a perfect example of my point. It's hard to rise up and be better than your parents. Not many people do it. We are a product of our environment, and if we all grew up under the same situations as this child I'd bet that almost all of us would turn out to be drug addicts.

Now I know you're gonna say he's fucked up and not everyone is like that, but I could name you so many other things damn near as bad as that. All dudes that I either work with or that I was friends with at some point in time. I just don't have the time to type out all the fucked up situations I've experienced with fucking drug addicts. I have never had a positive experience with anyone who uses drugs.... And I never will. It's impossible.

butthead · 08-14-2003, 04:59 PM

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Get off the drugs you're on and maybe you'll realize the danger in what she did, and that it could just as easily happened to you if you did the same thing.

Most people don't critical analyze all of their actions, much less fun, seemingly-not-going-to-leave-you-dead activities. This single action does not warrant labeling them a moron and pretending you knew the person. It was a reckless act, leave it at that. A person is not the sum of their actions.

Do you think it's impossible for "smart" people to do "stupid" things?

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She was retarded for even doing something like this because she was a mother, and obviously a horrible one, that never had a rational thought fill her empty head.

Justify this. How was she OBVIOUSLY a HORRIBLE mother? How do you know she has never had a rational thought?

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It was her fault and he should blame himself for not having enough sense to tell his wife not to do something that dumb.

Nice display of compassion, tough guy. You sound so much like trolling teenager it's difficult to take you seriously sometimes. These people may not be as endowed in common sense as you portray yourself, but I do not think this means they should have to suffer anymore than they have to.

Btw, this isn't a drug debate.

Mr. Spacemonkey · 08-14-2003, 05:07 PM

In response to what sixate said about drug and alcohol use:

Thats one thing we can both agree on. I'm sure as hell never going to use drugs (unless prescribed by a doctor) and i'm sure not gonna become an alcoholic. It just seems to stupid to get hooked on that shit knowing all the shit it can do to you. And most of the people i know that are on drugs aren't too smart.

And any kid that has had to be brought up in that kind of shitty envirenment sure as hell didn't deserve it.

sixate · 08-14-2003, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by butthead
Do you think it's impossible for "smart" people to do "stupid" things?

Justify this. How was she OBVIOUSLY a HORRIBLE mother? How do you know she has never had a rational thought?

Nice display of compassion, tough guy. You sound so much like trolling teenager it's difficult to take you seriously sometimes. These people may not be as endowed in common sense as you portray yourself, but I do not think this means they should have to suffer anymore than they have to.

Btw, this isn't a drug debate.

First, it's completely possible. I do it all the time, but I don't do stupid ass shit like what she did.

Second, I said that because she has children who needed her. She was dumb enough to do something stupid and she ended up killing herself. Now her kids suffer because of her actions and lack of responsibility. A good mother would never even dream of doing something like that. I wouldn't be surprised at all if she was a little buzzed up before getting into the ring. To say that she never had a rational thought fill her empty head was a little bit of an exaggeration. She may have had one or two in her life.

You can call me a trolling teenager with no compassion all you want. That doesn't bother me a little. I have plenty more common sense than that couple, and that's why they suffer more than me. They don't know how to make smart decisions and I don't feel sorry. Yes, I already know that I lack compassion. I have almost none. *shrug* I know it's definitely one of my bad traits.

Lastly, nice way to ignore my last post.

butthead · 08-14-2003, 05:26 PM

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First, it's completely possible. I do it all the time, but I don't do stupid ass shit like what she did.

So there are different degrees of stupidity. Are these objective? Is there a certain degree in which everything one has ever done is instantly invalidated and is forever labeled an "idiot"?

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Second, I said that because she has children who needed her.

She didn't think she was going to die. This wasn't a calculated attempt to fuck over her kids life by killing herself. Given that you know nothing specific of her parenting, you feel content to judge her as a "horrible mother" because she made a mistake leading to her accidental death?

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I wouldn't be surprised at all if she was a little buzzed up before getting into the ring.

I agree, as the article describes. So because she may have used drugs which probably did cloud her judgment, leading her to make a mistake leading to her accidental death, she is a "horrible mother"? Even though you don't know this woman, her kids, or anything more than this article provides. (It's nothing new that you jump to extreme conclusions based on a minimum of information, but it's pretty humorous to think you know enough to make a judgment on her parenting. Parents fuck up, sometimes big, sometimes small.)

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They don't know how to make smart decisions and I don't feel sorry.

How do you know they don't? No one is asking you to feel sorry, just that you refrain from being a total flaming asshole.

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Lastly, nice way to ignore my last post.

Dude, what the fuck does your drug post have to do with this thread? That's why I didn't reply to it. If you want to make a weapy, tearjerker story about drugs, go to freevibe.com and learn what your anti-drug is. Or make a new thread. But don't go off on broadly off-topic tangents and get pissy when I'm don't take your bait. As for your experiences with drugs and drug users, I don't really give a shit. One thing remains true: you still can't hold the upper hand in a drug debate based around objectivity and facts.

sixate · 08-14-2003, 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by butthead
One thing remains true: you still can't hold the upper hand in a drug debate based around objectivity and facts.

After reading that statement I just realized there is no point in either one of us to continue this pissing match. We don't agree on much of anything and I could go an and on and answer any question you would have for me, but is there really a point. We are never going to see eye to eye and lets just leave it at that.

One last thing. I wouldn't call people flaming assholes around here cause it will get you banned. If you ever say that to a member again you will be banned. I could care less that you called me that, but it's board policy so you're probably lucky that you won't get banned. You should know better. I'm closing the thread because you can't debate anything without name calling.

08-12-2003, 05:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
HeadyIncognito Crazy Location: PDX	I want to know more about that injury... I mean, she got knocked down a few times, and suddenly she's brain-dead? Who was her opponent anyway? It's pretty fucked up. __________________ Even Hitler had a girlfriend...

08-12-2003, 10:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
mml Adrift Location: Wandering in the Desert of Life	Wow, the compassion is really flowing around here. Yes, it was dumb. Yes, she had no business being in the ring. Yes, the organizers have a responsibilty to ensure anyone getting into the ring in capable of doing so. And while it does not offend me, "retarded" is really a loaded word. Not trying to be PC, but come on people. __________________ Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -Douglas Adams

08-13-2003, 02:17 AM	#9 (permalink)
XenuHubbard Cute and Cuddly Location: Teegeeack.	Stupid. Anybody is literally one punch away from death. Bad luck is all it takes. Well, we have a night club here in Taiwan that has the same thing going - fights on the dance floor. Anybody can sign up, but you have to do so early. A lot of people want in on it. I'm not signing up... __________________ The above was written by a true prophet. Trust me. "What doesn't kill you, makes you bitter and paranoid". - SB2000

08-13-2003, 11:49 AM	#13 (permalink)
Mr. Spacemonkey Wake up Location: Nowhere special	Wow Well, I'd have to agree that it wasn't too smart getting into the ring to box when she didn't even have training or any boxing practice but i still think calling her retarded and making fun of her is just a little too much. __________________ "I hope that when the world comes to an end, I can breathe a sigh of relief, because there will be so much to look forward to." -- Donnie Darko

08-13-2003, 07:47 PM	#15 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	240 lbs, yikes. I gotta say, the sight of that mountain of lard hitting the mat must have been nothing short of hypnotic. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

08-12-2003, 05:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
Double D Junkie Location: Chicagoland	Wow, I'm just speechless. I think I'll just take issue with your using the phrase retarded, and leave you with the sincere wish that nothing horrible (no matter how stupid) ever happens to a loved one of yours.

08-12-2003, 09:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
Fifteen Short Banned Location: Castro Valley	Tuffenuff

08-12-2003, 09:51 PM	#6 (permalink)
sta500 Tilted	Wimp. She should've known what she was getting into.

08-12-2003, 11:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
pansyboy8 Upright	damn that hells sucks, yeah she shoulda known what she was getting in to, but still, i feel bad for her family

08-13-2003, 06:51 AM	#10 (permalink)
Darkblack Banned Location: Pennsytuckia	sixate you are what is wrong with society. I hope you have not decided to breed yet.

08-13-2003, 07:11 AM	#11 (permalink)
shalafi ARRRRRRRRRR Location: Stuart, Florida	If she was so obviously outclassed she should have stayed down for the 10 count. She was obviously a moron. Most people that get into these things do at least some form of boxing practice/training before hand to prepare.

08-13-2003, 10:25 AM	#12 (permalink)
Kaos Ssssssssss Location: Ontario	I've seen the video of that match, and she had no idea what she was doing. It was partially the referee's fault for not stopping the match sooner. I'll try and find a link to that video.

08-13-2003, 09:01 PM	#16 (permalink)
gonadman Psycho Location: Philly	Because someone is an absolute moron do they deserve to die? If some idiot was about to jump off a cliff because he thought he could fly, shouldn't we step in and try to stop him? After the first knockdown, when it was obvious she was getting the shit beat out of her, the fight should have been stopped. I like a good fight with talented opponents but who wants to watch a drunk get physically fucked up? Thats entertainment to a sadist. __________________ For me there is only the traveling on paths that have heart, on any path that may have heart. There I travel, and the only worthwhile challenge is to traverse its full length. And there I travel, looking, looking, ...breathlessly. -Carlos Castaneda

08-13-2003, 09:11 PM	#17 (permalink)
Zargix Crazy Location: Everywhere, Simultaniously	ok, so following that logic, we should kill all the mentally retarded people to "make the gene pool better", right?

08-14-2003, 10:51 AM	#18 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Retards don't procreate guy. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

08-14-2003, 11:28 AM	#19 (permalink)
TaLoN Loser Location: MI	what is the point of fighting if it isn't to the death???

08-14-2003, 11:36 AM	#21 (permalink)
sixate Registered User Location: Somewhere in Ohio	I would just like to add that I agree with TaLoN.

08-14-2003, 12:38 PM	#22 (permalink)
dnd Psycho Location: London...no longer a student	hmmm she may have been stupid etc but however stupid it may have been, she is still the kids parents and imagine how they must feel now... It ain't fair on them that they have watched their mother die more or less in front of their eyes.

08-14-2003, 01:17 PM	#23 (permalink)
butthead Loser Location: SF Bay Area, CA	I don't understand where your antagonism comes from, sixate. None of you knew this woman, I think it's unfair to call her "stupid" or a "moron" because of a choice she made that lead to her unsuspected death (maybe reasonably so). If I climbed in a ring with someone, being the amateur I am, I would probably not assume the chances of me being killed would be terribly high. Most likely an asskicking at the worst. EDIT: Also, if undesirable people are to be left to their own and waste their own lives (in your opinion) doing what they want, maybe you should shut up and let them do what they want. Last edited by butthead; 08-14-2003 at 01:22 PM..

08-14-2003, 01:23 PM	#24 (permalink)
water_boy1999 Fly em straight! Location: Above and Beyond	Sixate, I have to agree with you, however, I take a tiny bit more of a compassionate approach. Yes, she was fucked up in the noggin way before she stepped into the ring. Yes, making a decision like that would probably be grounds for her making plenty of rash and idiotic decisions in the future. I do feel sorry for her and her family and friends that such a fucked up event even had to happen. And she isn't retarted.....she is mentally disabled. __________________ Doh!!!! -Homer Simpson

08-14-2003, 04:45 PM	#28 (permalink)
sixate Registered User Location: Somewhere in Ohio	I'll also give you some reasons as to why I am against drug/alcohol use sooo much. See, all my friends got hooked on drugs once we got into High School. I didn't really give a crap back then cause they were my friends. Now we're all around 26, give or take a year or two, and all of them still live at home. Don't have jobs and do absolutely nothing with their lives, but somehow they find a way to get cash for their drugs and booze. WTF! It's time to grow up. I was no saint either. I never did any drugs, but I did drink heavily for a little over a year right after I got out of high school. I mean heavily too. I wasn't a beer drinker. I liked hard alcohol. Give me a bottle of whiskey and it would be gone in about an hour. I drank the shit like water. I never liked to get drunk. I actually hated that feeling, but I really loved the taste of booze, and still do. I just choose not to drink. I will admit that I do drink about 2 or 3 three times a year, but only on a special occasion and I don't get drunk. Also, I won't say it's not hurting my body cause it is. It kills brain cells and damages my liver every single time I take a sip of the shit. There's nothing good about it. Anyway, I drank so much that all my druggie/drunk friends told me I was gonna be an alcoholic. I always laughed and told them I could quit any time I wanted cause I'm not the type of person to get addicted to anything. Of course they said that's what all alcoholics say. I proved them all wrong. I remember the day/minute I quit. I was at a friends drinking a bottle of whiskey back in October of 96 at about 11:37 pm and the 10 people in the house all made the statement that they liked me much better when I was drunk because I acted just like them........ I quit that second, I handed the rest of my bottle over to a friend of mine, walked out the door and didn't have a drink for 2 years, and stopped hanging out with them because I decided I wasn't going to be like them. I'm much better off today because of what I did that day. On to the drugs. I have had personal experiences with people that piss me off to the point that I wish I could beat some sense into them. A friend of mine that I work with has a serious drug problem. You name it and he's doing it. Plus he drinks on top of that. He has a young child. He has tried to commit suicide twice and both times his boy saw it. The most recent was not too long ago. He hung himself, for a second time in just a few years, this time right in front of his boy. Almost died both times. As luck would have it people just happened to come over and get help to save his life. This last time he was in the hospital and I went to see him. I told him that he needed to get some help cause he had a kid and it was time to grow up. He threw his tray of food on me and spit in my face. I fucking lost it and punched him in his fucking nose and broke it. I'm not proud of what I did, but I know I'd do it again if I was ever in that situation. I damn near went to jail that night, but my friend didn't want to press charges, lucky for me. So it took along time to get the nurses calmed the hell down so they would just let it slide. The sad part is he is a drug addict, so is he ex, and his and her parents. Do you really think that this child has a chance? Dude, it's a fucking never ending cycle and he himself is a perfect example of my point. It's hard to rise up and be better than your parents. Not many people do it. We are a product of our environment, and if we all grew up under the same situations as this child I'd bet that almost all of us would turn out to be drug addicts. Now I know you're gonna say he's fucked up and not everyone is like that, but I could name you so many other things damn near as bad as that. All dudes that I either work with or that I was friends with at some point in time. I just don't have the time to type out all the fucked up situations I've experienced with fucking drug addicts. I have never had a positive experience with anyone who uses drugs.... And I never will. It's impossible.

08-14-2003, 05:07 PM	#30 (permalink)
Mr. Spacemonkey Wake up Location: Nowhere special	In response to what sixate said about drug and alcohol use: Thats one thing we can both agree on. I'm sure as hell never going to use drugs (unless prescribed by a doctor) and i'm sure not gonna become an alcoholic. It just seems to stupid to get hooked on that shit knowing all the shit it can do to you. And most of the people i know that are on drugs aren't too smart. And any kid that has had to be brought up in that kind of shitty envirenment sure as hell didn't deserve it. __________________ "I hope that when the world comes to an end, I can breathe a sigh of relief, because there will be so much to look forward to." -- Donnie Darko