Do you think anything can be done with the HR person at work???? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

amge · 08-11-2003, 01:42 PM

We have this HR manager at my company, and I wondering if anything could be done about some of his actions.

I have heard him use very disturbing language when it comes to minorities. He has said to me on one occasion that we do not need to hire any "n*ggers" at this company because we already have some. (At that time, he was referring to two middle-eastern co-workers). He went on talked about how he would hire a black guy if he ever saw a resume that fit "his qualifications".

During one phone interview I was in, the candidate was a black guy, and through the whole interview process the HR guy was pretty much doing the stereo-typical black attitude. Like puffing out his lips, folding his arms like he was a Run DMC. Then at the end of the interview he pretty much folded the candidate's resume into a paper airplane and threw it into the trash.

Anyway this is just really bothering me that someone like this could be a Human Resource manager at a large company.

Should I just stay out of this, since it's not effecting my ladder in the company? Although if I pissed him off or anything, I'm sure things will not go well for me. He is HR so do I want to rock the boat?

rogue49 · 08-11-2003, 02:31 PM

You could always report him anonymously to the equal-rights bureau.

Nisses · 08-11-2003, 02:41 PM

jup, gotta agree. It's not right how he does it, but I don't think you wanna draw all his fire. Anonymity(sp?) is a good thing sometimes.

tj2001cobra · 08-11-2003, 02:46 PM

Protect yourself. If you say anything, make sure it is done without any way of being traced back to you. You could send an anonymous note to his supervisor, etc.. Just be careful. I understand what he is doing is wrong, but it could negatively affect you if you are not careful.

amge · 08-11-2003, 03:21 PM

Well the thing is that this supervisor is the President. And the HR guy can tell the President anything and the President would believe him.

Anonymous is one thing I would consider, but I don't know if any one would take it seriously.

There are other things that he does that is just ridiculous. All of the upper management thinks of him in a good way, but all of the regular engineers, and subordinates think of him in another.

Oh well. I guess I just need to move on else where. This company will not change, and it's just easier for me to leave.

clavus · 08-11-2003, 03:28 PM

I suppose spray painting "nazi motherfucker" on his door is out of the question?

I'll tell you the same thing I told my wife when she was in a similar situation, "Pick your battles." It doesn't sound like this is one you can win. If you can, look for a new job. Don't soil yourself by associating with this piece of human garbage.

When you quit, tell the President exactly why. Be cool, calm and collected about it.

Mephisto2 · 08-11-2003, 03:52 PM

Bring a small tape recorder into your next meeting/interview. Keep this handy until the asshat incriminates himeslf.

Then report him to the President and Equal Rights Bureau / Fair Employment Tribune.

What this guy is doing is both tasteless and illegal.

If you report him, and suffer any consequences yourself, then YOU sue the company.

Mr Mephisto

clockworkgreen · 08-11-2003, 06:40 PM

Is his name Daniel Carver?

Rodney · 08-11-2003, 06:51 PM

Whatever else you do, get a tape of this guy -- audio or video (video would be best, but it's probably not feasible). Then make your decision in your own time: quit and give it to the president in a goodbye interview, send it to the president anonymously, even send a copy to a minority (especially black) applicant anonymously and watch the fun.

It's especially good if your company does any business with the feds; federal contractors are supposed to meet certain standards for hiring minorities, handicapped, etc., that other companies don't.

irieemon · 08-11-2003, 07:04 PM

1-800-NO-PIRACY Sure it's for Microsoft to come breath down your neck, but it will fuck all middle managements world

Nizzle · 08-11-2003, 07:06 PM

If you're already resigned to moving on, why go without stirring things up? What he is doing is disgusting and unforgivable.

I would surreptitiously collect a decent amount of evidence (and possibly a witness) then talk to a lawyer. His job will evaporate quickly if you play your cards right. No one who behaves like that has any business being where he is.

You can't just sit and hope someday he gets his own, because maybe he never will. Well you can, but that's how a blatant racist idiot makes it so far: either apathy or empathy among those who witness it.

MSD · 08-11-2003, 07:19 PM

Talk to him with a small pocket recorder capturing the whole thing, then sic the ACLU and NAACP on him.

Macheath · 08-11-2003, 08:33 PM

Be careful. Before you do ANYTHING, try to seek out some free legal advice as to what you can do. Tape recordings can be really iffy; in my jurisdiction the person has to know they're being recorded for the recording to be admissable. For example, a company boss who wanted evidence could install video cameras with signs at the front entrance stating that the cameras are for "security". A good bet would be to write up VERY precise and accurate accounts of every previous incident you remember and then write up any further incidents with date, time and circumstances.

If you do it right, there's a good chance the guy will go down in a big way.

Tickford · 08-12-2003, 01:40 AM

Dude, what a place to be in. I think thats its your duty to do something. Shit like this cant happen. I think that its so wrong. I would be very careful about what you do. Anonymous is the way to go. Either letter or e-mail.

Darkblack · 08-12-2003, 04:35 AM

I totally disagree with everyone here. He is discriminating. I am sure you have heard of the equal rights act? He is violating it. Report it to the president of the company and reference the EOE agreement that you signed when you accepted your job. If they fire you over this or anything stupid during right after this you can sue.

If not for people like you to stand up and make a change then who will? I can’t imagine you enjoy working there so while you are filing these charges start looking for another job.

This is my opinion but I feel it is your duty as an American to do something about this. Even if it doesn't work it will make you feel better about yourself.

denim · 08-12-2003, 05:02 AM

And while he's trying to sue, he's out of money and living on the street. You're not thinking.

KeyserSoze · 08-12-2003, 06:18 AM

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Originally posted by Mr Mephisto
If you report him, and suffer any consequences yourself, then YOU sue the company.

Mr Mephisto

Contact a lawyer so this is documented to protect yourself, and then go to management.

Explain that you can't sit by and be party to this kind of behavior and you will contact the NAACP, The FEDS, and your state employment office if something is not done.

Make sure you you feel out which other employees are on your side and talk with them regarding this matter and see if they got your back.

Have a friend that is Black apply for a job and then when he is not hired because of race, you and him file a CLASS ACTION SUIT!!

Most of these are settled out of court and if you witnessed him throwing a application in the trash after an interview........THAT IS A BIG NO-NO!!

Either way if you sit by do nothing and quit then you let the bastard win.

GET A LAWYER..........they wil talk to you on a contingency basis and the would love something like this just make sure they do not know this guy who runs the company. (ask questions before you spill you give the the details)

If you don't do it someone will very soon and they will get PAID!

When I started where I am now we had a son-of-bitch just like this that the company sent in from England..... EVERYONE was scared of his ass because he had everyone beleiving he was untouchable because corporate in Hong Kong sent him in.

Well the fuckwad made a comment or two suggesting I may be gay(which I'm not) he used to tell us to get credit applications on Blacks before we test drove them in $50,000.00 plus cars, and then the racist fuck made a comment about my artificial eye.........THAT WAS HIS BIGGEST MISTAKE!!

Everyone said he was untouchable and the corporation would do nothing, I said watch and learn.

That fuck was shipped off back to England two days later as soon as I said I spoke to an Attorney

LittleOralAnnie · 08-12-2003, 06:32 AM

I agree with getting him to incriminate himself on the tape recorder. That will definitely give you leverage and ammo to use against him so that he can't try to worm his way out of it.

Darkblack · 08-12-2003, 06:42 AM

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Originally posted by denim
And while he's trying to sue, he's out of money and living on the street. You're not thinking.

Actually I am thinking. You were not reading. I said to look for a job while you are doing this. He also never mentioned he was homeless on the streets. Anyway, they cannot fire you for suing them. If they do you just made a large chunk of money. So I think it would be worth it to be on unemployment for a while.

bobw · 08-12-2003, 06:52 AM

If your company has an Ombudsman....use him!

Nizzle · 08-12-2003, 06:54 AM

I would talk to a lawyer before I talked to a fellow employee. I would be very careful about talking to anyone else in the workplace.

denim · 08-12-2003, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darkblack
Actually I am thinking. You were not reading. I said to look for a job while you are doing this. He also never mentioned he was homeless on the streets. Anyway, they cannot fire you for suing them.

Ah, so you can prevent them from firing you while you're suing them instead of being reimbursed and hired back at a later date? I'd have thought this kind of thing required money up-front.

eyeronic · 08-12-2003, 08:33 AM

Just PM me and I'll have him taken out. No problem.

Seriously though, this guy is despicable. Do whatever you can to make sure that he loses his job and learns that his behavior is not permissible. Of course you should cover your own ass, but this guy really needs to go. Try downloading "The CIA Book of Dirty Tricks" off Kazaa. There's plenty of lovely things you could do to him in there.

Darkblack · 08-12-2003, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by denim
Ah, so you can prevent them from firing you while you're suing them instead of being reimbursed and hired back at a later date? I'd have thought this kind of thing required money up-front.

Most civil rights lawyers would do this case pro bono or payment only if the case is won/settled out of court. So no, no money is required upfront.

Yes you can prevent them from firing you by taking the case to the press along with a lawyer. If they fire you during the lawsuit they will undoubtedly lose business and credibility.

amge · 08-13-2003, 09:15 AM

Thank for the advice. I will do something, about this. Yes I have been looking for another job. Yeah I would love to record his coversation. But I don't think it's admisable if I have to sue the company.

I actually find the legal group for my company, and I just faxed an anonymous letter to them. Explaining how there could be a very expensive class action case again our company because of this HR guy. I also found out that he doesn't even have an HR background. He actually started at our company as an assistant to one of the Sales Manager. How he got to HR I have no clue.

Maybe something will be done before I leave. If not I know I will be telling my manager and the President why I'm leaving.

a2k · 08-13-2003, 10:41 AM

Sounds pretty disturbing. The better records you keep, the more likely you'll be able to do something.

What part of the country are you in? My GF's a lawyer and has lawyer friends all over the country. She might know somebody or know of legal aid associations that can help you.

amge · 08-13-2003, 11:18 AM

I'm in San Diego.

bogosj13 · 08-13-2003, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by amge
Thank for the advice. I will do something, about this. Yes I have been looking for another job. Yeah I would love to record his coversation. But I don't think it's admisable if I have to sue the company.

I would look into that one if I were you. I believe that the tape being admisable is only the case for a government agency. You may remember Linda Tripp and her taping of her conversations with Monica Lewinski? I believe they were used in a trial or two

Nizzle · 08-13-2003, 12:18 PM

I believe that's correct. It's non-admissable for enforcement agencies in sting operations, because it is entrapment.

But evidence is evidence. You are not a cop.

08-11-2003, 01:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
amge Crazy	Do you think anything can be done with the HR person at work???? We have this HR manager at my company, and I wondering if anything could be done about some of his actions. I have heard him use very disturbing language when it comes to minorities. He has said to me on one occasion that we do not need to hire any "n*ggers" at this company because we already have some. (At that time, he was referring to two middle-eastern co-workers). He went on talked about how he would hire a black guy if he ever saw a resume that fit "his qualifications". During one phone interview I was in, the candidate was a black guy, and through the whole interview process the HR guy was pretty much doing the stereo-typical black attitude. Like puffing out his lips, folding his arms like he was a Run DMC. Then at the end of the interview he pretty much folded the candidate's resume into a paper airplane and threw it into the trash. Anyway this is just really bothering me that someone like this could be a Human Resource manager at a large company. Should I just stay out of this, since it's not effecting my ladder in the company? Although if I pissed him off or anything, I'm sure things will not go well for me. He is HR so do I want to rock the boat?

08-11-2003, 02:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
Nisses Shade Location: Belgium	jup, gotta agree. It's not right how he does it, but I don't think you wanna draw all his fire. Anonymity(sp?) is a good thing sometimes. __________________ Moderation should be moderately moderated.

08-11-2003, 03:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
clavus pow! Location: NorCal	I suppose spray painting "nazi motherfucker" on his door is out of the question? I'll tell you the same thing I told my wife when she was in a similar situation, "Pick your battles." It doesn't sound like this is one you can win. If you can, look for a new job. Don't soil yourself by associating with this piece of human garbage. When you quit, tell the President exactly why. Be cool, calm and collected about it. __________________ Ass, gas or grass. Nobody rides for free.

08-11-2003, 07:06 PM	#11 (permalink)
Nizzle God-Hating Liberal Location: Silicon Valley, CA	If you're already resigned to moving on, why go without stirring things up? What he is doing is disgusting and unforgivable. I would surreptitiously collect a decent amount of evidence (and possibly a witness) then talk to a lawyer. His job will evaporate quickly if you play your cards right. No one who behaves like that has any business being where he is. You can't just sit and hope someday he gets his own, because maybe he never will. Well you can, but that's how a blatant racist idiot makes it so far: either apathy or empathy among those who witness it. __________________ Nizzle

08-12-2003, 01:40 AM	#14 (permalink)
Tickford Insane Location: Australia	Dude, what a place to be in. I think thats its your duty to do something. Shit like this cant happen. I think that its so wrong. I would be very careful about what you do. Anonymous is the way to go. Either letter or e-mail. __________________ Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist ought to have his head examined. Samuel Goldwyn

08-11-2003, 02:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
rogue49 Loser	You could always report him anonymously to the equal-rights bureau.

08-11-2003, 02:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
tj2001cobra Insane Location: Austin, Texas .. Y'all	Protect yourself. If you say anything, make sure it is done without any way of being traced back to you. You could send an anonymous note to his supervisor, etc.. Just be careful. I understand what he is doing is wrong, but it could negatively affect you if you are not careful.

08-11-2003, 03:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
amge Crazy	Well the thing is that this supervisor is the President. And the HR guy can tell the President anything and the President would believe him. Anonymous is one thing I would consider, but I don't know if any one would take it seriously. There are other things that he does that is just ridiculous. All of the upper management thinks of him in a good way, but all of the regular engineers, and subordinates think of him in another. Oh well. I guess I just need to move on else where. This company will not change, and it's just easier for me to leave.

08-11-2003, 03:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	Bring a small tape recorder into your next meeting/interview. Keep this handy until the asshat incriminates himeslf. Then report him to the President and Equal Rights Bureau / Fair Employment Tribune. What this guy is doing is both tasteless and illegal. If you report him, and suffer any consequences yourself, then YOU sue the company. Mr Mephisto

08-11-2003, 06:40 PM	#8 (permalink)
clockworkgreen Psycho Location: DC	Is his name Daniel Carver?

08-11-2003, 06:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
Rodney Observant Ruminant Location: Rich Wannabe Hippie Town	Whatever else you do, get a tape of this guy -- audio or video (video would be best, but it's probably not feasible). Then make your decision in your own time: quit and give it to the president in a goodbye interview, send it to the president anonymously, even send a copy to a minority (especially black) applicant anonymously and watch the fun. It's especially good if your company does any business with the feds; federal contractors are supposed to meet certain standards for hiring minorities, handicapped, etc., that other companies don't.

08-11-2003, 07:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
irieemon Crazy Location: Right where I want to be.	1-800-NO-PIRACY Sure it's for Microsoft to come breath down your neck, but it will fuck all middle managements world

08-11-2003, 07:19 PM	#12 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	Talk to him with a small pocket recorder capturing the whole thing, then sic the ACLU and NAACP on him.

08-11-2003, 08:33 PM	#13 (permalink)
Macheath Junkie Location: Sydney, Australia	Be careful. Before you do ANYTHING, try to seek out some free legal advice as to what you can do. Tape recordings can be really iffy; in my jurisdiction the person has to know they're being recorded for the recording to be admissable. For example, a company boss who wanted evidence could install video cameras with signs at the front entrance stating that the cameras are for "security". A good bet would be to write up VERY precise and accurate accounts of every previous incident you remember and then write up any further incidents with date, time and circumstances. If you do it right, there's a good chance the guy will go down in a big way.

08-12-2003, 04:35 AM	#15 (permalink)
Darkblack Banned Location: Pennsytuckia	I totally disagree with everyone here. He is discriminating. I am sure you have heard of the equal rights act? He is violating it. Report it to the president of the company and reference the EOE agreement that you signed when you accepted your job. If they fire you over this or anything stupid during right after this you can sue. If not for people like you to stand up and make a change then who will? I can’t imagine you enjoy working there so while you are filing these charges start looking for another job. This is my opinion but I feel it is your duty as an American to do something about this. Even if it doesn't work it will make you feel better about yourself.

08-12-2003, 05:02 AM	#16 (permalink)
denim Banned Location: Massachusetts, USA	And while he's trying to sue, he's out of money and living on the street. You're not thinking.

08-12-2003, 06:32 AM	#18 (permalink)
LittleOralAnnie Banned	I agree with getting him to incriminate himself on the tape recorder. That will definitely give you leverage and ammo to use against him so that he can't try to worm his way out of it.

08-12-2003, 06:52 AM	#20 (permalink)
bobw Psycho Location: somewhere....	If your company has an Ombudsman....use him!

08-12-2003, 06:54 AM	#21 (permalink)
Nizzle God-Hating Liberal Location: Silicon Valley, CA	I would talk to a lawyer before I talked to a fellow employee. I would be very careful about talking to anyone else in the workplace. __________________ Nizzle

08-12-2003, 08:33 AM	#23 (permalink)
eyeronic I run E. Location: New York	Just PM me and I'll have him taken out. No problem. Seriously though, this guy is despicable. Do whatever you can to make sure that he loses his job and learns that his behavior is not permissible. Of course you should cover your own ass, but this guy really needs to go. Try downloading "The CIA Book of Dirty Tricks" off Kazaa. There's plenty of lovely things you could do to him in there. __________________ I hold with those that favor fire.

08-13-2003, 09:15 AM	#25 (permalink)
amge Crazy	Thank for the advice. I will do something, about this. Yes I have been looking for another job. Yeah I would love to record his coversation. But I don't think it's admisable if I have to sue the company. I actually find the legal group for my company, and I just faxed an anonymous letter to them. Explaining how there could be a very expensive class action case again our company because of this HR guy. I also found out that he doesn't even have an HR background. He actually started at our company as an assistant to one of the Sales Manager. How he got to HR I have no clue. Maybe something will be done before I leave. If not I know I will be telling my manager and the President why I'm leaving.

08-13-2003, 10:41 AM	#26 (permalink)
a2k Crazy Location: Seattle	Sounds pretty disturbing. The better records you keep, the more likely you'll be able to do something. What part of the country are you in? My GF's a lawyer and has lawyer friends all over the country. She might know somebody or know of legal aid associations that can help you.

08-13-2003, 11:18 AM	#27 (permalink)
amge Crazy	I'm in San Diego.

08-13-2003, 12:18 PM	#29 (permalink)
Nizzle God-Hating Liberal Location: Silicon Valley, CA	I believe that's correct. It's non-admissable for enforcement agencies in sting operations, because it is entrapment. But evidence is evidence. You are not a cop. __________________ Nizzle