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romeo2182 · 07-23-2003, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phaenx
Her friends are dumber then a sack of rocks, and I'll bet money this girl is as well. I know their types, and I'm interested in seeing what evidence the DA has. Hopefully, even if she wins or not she'll get the drunken whore reputation.

Dear god this is one of the most f*ed up things I have ever heard! How about if she wins, Kobe raped her. You mean to say that every girl that gets raped is a drunken whore? It's that totally messed up thought process which has allowed rape to run so rampant through our society with so many cases and so little justice. You seriously make me sick. Why don't you try waiting a week or two before you condem this girl to being a "drunken whore."

lt1s10 · 07-23-2003, 02:25 AM

I can wait till all/more of the evidence comes out. With all the publicity and coverage surronding the case I don't think the DA and sheriffs office were going to do anything but charge him. They are both political offices and Kobe's going to tried by public opinion anyway. So if they charge him and lose then they get to say that his money won out. If they win they gain all the publicity from a high profile case.

Pretty much a losing situation for Kobe. If innocent then he still will lose a lot of endorsements or not have as many offers. If guilty then all the endorsements are gone and his career too most likely. These are the things that set him apart from regular people.

Then he has all the family issues that anyone else charged in the same situation has to deal with. One night of sex screwed up a hell of lot for him. I hope it was worth it.

troit · 07-23-2003, 05:35 AM

I agree with Sixate on this one -- just another form of extortion....

Maybe these guys need to walk around with an attorney that pops out of the closet right before they seal the deal with these chicks and have them sign a consensual sex form....

Mupwah · 07-23-2003, 07:03 AM

innocent until proven guilty. I will refrain from making a judgement.

alleitup · 07-23-2003, 12:07 PM

I think that he is just got some on the side and the chick wanted a marriage.

bigbad · 07-23-2003, 12:13 PM

I seriously doubt he did, she is just trying to get herr 15 mins in the spotlight.

90degree · 07-23-2003, 05:38 PM

I read some of these responses..and then I stopped.. lol...

anyone really think that a guy with this much clout is gonna force someone to have sex with him..

this was consensual.. and then the dollar bills started going off in her head.. simple as that. Money will change hands before this is over.. plain and simple..

now.. my opinion .. is that Kobe Bryant is a dumbass.. if you are gonna do something like that and you have the clout.. then call heidi fliess.. .. or the woman that took over for her... you dont do something like this.. lol

Buzz · 07-23-2003, 11:17 PM

No I agree the girl is just out for the money. and the district at. is also trying to make a name for himself tooooooooooo.........

Gman · 07-23-2003, 11:30 PM

I don't think he did it.

I was watching CNN one afternoon, and they had a little interview or something with a friend of hers and the friend said "I don't think she was raped. She always told everyone she was going to become famous no matter what she had to do."

If a friend of yours is going to go on TV and tell the world, "I think you're lying because I know how you are." That tells you something.

Phaenx · 07-24-2003, 12:06 AM

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Originally posted by romeo2182
Dear god this is one of the most f*ed up things I have ever heard! How about if she wins, Kobe raped her. You mean to say that every girl that gets raped is a drunken whore? It's that totally messed up thought process which has allowed rape to run so rampant through our society with so many cases and so little justice. You seriously make me sick. Why don't you try waiting a week or two before you condem this girl to being a "drunken whore."

I'm glad I could have been of service to your sickly pursuits, I hear it's a good way to lose weight. Your response was very cute, and I appreciate feedback, but if you'll look over what I said again you'll see I wrote "I'm interested in seeing what evidence the DA has." I'm fully capable of waiting a few months to see if he's guilty of rape or not, but if he is or not it doesn't change the fact that this girl went up to a married mans room alone, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what she was after. In context of this, she's a drunken whore.

Also, I think you may want to check your numbers on the amount of reported rape claims, and then read Sixates post where it says:

Eugene Kanin of the Department of Sociology and Anthropology at Purdue did a study of a small metropolitan community. The study covered rape allegations over a 9-year period. Dr. Kanin found that "False rape allegations constituted 41 percent of the total forcible rapes reported during [that] period."

So little justice indeed! Although you place the blame in the wrong direction.

Phaenx · 07-24-2003, 12:20 AM

By the way, does anyone have the girls picture? I heard she wasn't that good looking.

Phaenx · 07-24-2003, 12:25 AM

Found it:

http://www.webrats.com/kobewatch/

Bill O'Rights · 07-24-2003, 05:40 AM

I haven't voted yet, one way or the other. Simple fact is...I don't know. Maybe he did do it...maybe not. 2 people know for a fact what really happened, and I only hope that the truth comes out. Anyway, I think I'm gonna go ahead and vote "no", only because Kobe is innocent...until proven guilty.

burntmonkey · 07-24-2003, 09:32 AM

Theory (ProKobe):
*Consensual sex. Regrets. Pissed-off parents. Rape charge.

Theory (ProGirl):
*Concierge comes to room. They make out. Guy worked up, girl wants to quit. Guy does not quit.

BTW, Donkeypunch, I like your byline. Classic TVZ.

89transam · 07-24-2003, 10:54 AM

If anything , I hope that during the case It is CRYSTAL clear what happened.

Cuase for Kobe, anything elce will certianly damage his reputation bigtine.

Also someone said "well kobe can get any girl he wants". Yeah thats probobly true, but I dont think rape has anything to do with sex. I can definalty envision both scenarios, but him guilty might go like.

Girl. Hi kobe bla bla bla
Kobe Heres a drink
Girl Oh thanks
Kobe Were having sex now right?
Girl O well, No I dont think so
Kobe What do you mean
GIrl I dont want to
Kobe NO way, Im Kobe bryant NOONE says no to me

Mabye hes just so cocky he couldent stand a girl saying no to him.

SysteMatiC · 07-24-2003, 02:36 PM

I really do not like kobe much at all, but i really doubt he raped her. I am pretty sure he could sleep with plenty of ppl with out having to force them. She said she walked in to his room and he all of a sudden went crazy, i dont think so.

Somenosuke · 07-24-2003, 07:51 PM

I have been hearing about this from my brothers and the TV for days now. Eventually I will likely get tired of hearing about it, but that's typical with most huge hyped up scandals. Anyway...

I will admit that at first, I thought this girl was just doing what she did for attention/money. I am not going to say my opinion has changed drastically, other than switching to neutral. Yes, Kobe is a jackass for cheating on his wife, and if I were her, he would be getting several pieces of my mind, and most likely be slapped with a divorce.

There is no way for me or anyone else to truly know what happened between Kobe and this girl, but let's keep in mind that this world is not perfect, and people will fuck each other over no matter what. That is not to say this is happening in this case, but it may very well be what is going on. Personally, it angers me greatly when I hear about women crying rape just to get even or for their own personal gain or whatever selfish reason they may have.

When women cry wolf like that, it makes people less trusting of their word, and less trusting of the word of others. Unfortunately, that is a part of life. If it turns out that Kobe did force sex on this girl, well, we'll be mad at Kobe. If the opposite happens, and it turns out that the girl is lying, many people will be very pissed at the girl, and again, less trust will be placed in future rape claims for many people. Either outcome will be sad for someone in some way.

hobo · 07-24-2003, 08:53 PM

I don't think he raped her, but he is guilty of cheating. I doubt she is doing this for fame though, otherwise she wouldn't have hid her identity.

Coolidge · 07-24-2003, 09:26 PM

Running the risk of thread crapping I think I'm going to go ahead with it.

I don't care.
Why is it that this guy gets so much attention? The media finds some random story and milks it out for all it's worth. I think everyone over the age of 13 knows that all athletes AREN'T the heroes we all thought they were. Also there are so many rapes a day. Why the hell does this one deserve a 10 minute media block of every news show? I'll leave you with this:

is derryl (sp) strawberry in jail?
was gary condit re-elected?

nobody cares...

thedrake · 07-24-2003, 09:38 PM

Well it seems to me no one can dispute the fact both went to the hospital with injuries after the incident. So people should just take the obscentities and shove them up their ass before accusing the accuser of lying.

tricks · 07-24-2003, 10:58 PM

He should'nt have put himself in this kind of a situation in the first palce if he cared about his wife at all. I hear he's doing damage control on that front now as well.

Da-Gimp · 07-25-2003, 02:07 AM

I think he's guilty of being horny and stupid, but thats kind of redundant for sports athletes. Personally I'm just horny.

Vogad · 07-25-2003, 08:01 AM

1. no I don't think Kobe is guilty
2. based on the "reported information" (2 overdoses, bragging to party guests) it will NOT even make it to trial
3. the girl will make some big bucks neverless (ie: Enquirer, Globe, Penthouse, Playboy, TV movie rights)

oldtimer · 07-26-2003, 12:49 PM

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...Penthouse, Playboy, TV movie rights

Ohhhhh yeah.. You know it!

thedrake · 07-26-2003, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vogad
1. no I don't think Kobe is guilty
2. based on the "reported information" (2 overdoses, bragging to party guests) it will NOT even make it to trial
3. the girl will make some big bucks neverless (ie: Enquirer, Globe, Penthouse, Playboy, TV movie rights)

Rude comment edited by Lebell

Here is some real facts:

1. Both had injuries after the incident and went to the hospital
2. Prosecutor has said there are obvious physical injuries on the girl
3. Kobe is pathetic

Gorgo · 07-26-2003, 08:21 PM

Well, this issue is ripe for pure speculation.

Sealed records, conflicting eyewitness accounts, blabbermouth girlfriends on TV, confessed adultery.

Whats for sure:
-she worked in the lobby of the hotel
-she wound up in his hotel room
-they had sex of some kind, maybe
-somone hit someone
-someone went to the hospital
-she called the sheriff the next day

Rape is one of several gray area type crimes, especially with no witnesses. He said, she said, who knows, only them.

The difference between her saying yes, no or not saying anything could be the difference between Kobe going free and doing 5-10 in the State Pen, like another famous athlete . . . cough, Tyson, cough . . .

Forget prenuptial agreements, we could be seeing the beginning of the "pre-one night standing" agreement, better get it notarized too.

Same Guy · 07-26-2003, 09:03 PM

nobody knows the truth yet,
but for the hell of it i'll say yes he's guilty

when youre that popular and rich you tend
to think that youre a god and all the sudden
no means i like it rough...

Zeld2.0 · 07-27-2003, 01:22 AM

all i can say is.. that webrats link IMo was pretty f-'d up

aedenji · 07-27-2003, 01:34 PM

I think he is guilty and so is she.

Stare At The Sun · 07-27-2003, 01:55 PM

I dont think he did it, but i dont care, i mean, its not like he couldnt get some other chick, its just her trying to get some fast cash and some time in the spotlight

oldtimer · 07-27-2003, 04:53 PM

Someone lock this thread, it's gone about as far as it's gonna go. Just the same comments repeating over and over.

yankeefatboy · 07-28-2003, 10:13 AM

How come only 2 options on the poll? Where is "hell yes!" Sorry, no patience for hipocrites. The man is a heel!

slant eyes · 07-29-2003, 11:39 AM

it sucks that the defense is using her past as credibility. so you're telling me that if someone were to rape a lunatic, crazy, schizo girl who was yelling NO! at the top of her lungs or even if she didn't want to, it'd be OK? that's just plain wrong.

way i see it, there are a few scenarios.

1) it was consensual, she wanted to make off with some money and fame

-- what a bitch

2) it started as consensual at first, then she had second thoughts, said 'NO', and Kobe, being Kobe thinks 'No one says NO to Kobe' or takes it as an act of teasing, and just continues the act

-- anytime a girl says NO, NO it is. put your member back in or beat off in a corner.

3) Kobe was drunk or high on pills, horny from not seeing his wife in so long, felt he as a superstar could get away with anything, sees this convenient girl and decides, I'm getting me a piece

--still, cuz you're rich and famous don't make you outside the law

what sickens me more is how he is showing his sorrow and his dedication of love for his wife by purchasing a 4 million dollar ring. so the moral of the story kids, cheat on your wife as much as you want, true love and trust can ALWAYS be bought

in either sense, there are only 2 people that will ever know, but taking her credibility from her past and using that against her accusations of rape is wrong.

diverdac · 07-29-2003, 11:57 AM

Everyone is looking for their 15 minutes...

The.Lunatic · 07-29-2003, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Master Fap
in my opinion this girl is just trying to make money and be famous...

I agree somewhat, however i can almost gurantee that its more complicated than that.

Girls (groupies) get all over sports stars and will blatently tell them what they will do for them.

Sports stars often do accept, after all we're men, we're weak when it comes to resisting sex.

Going on the Road without your wife, or s'o around, and all the stress of being a proffesional basketball player. I figure he decided to take up on this girls offer. Then she had second thoughs as they were most likely getting rather hot, and heavy.

So in a way she probobally was like on second though lets not 2 seconds later kobe busts a nut and is like wtf you talking about.

Kobe is innocent of rape, however not innocent of being weak.

he'll probobally lose money in a civil suit

water_boy1999 · 07-29-2003, 09:14 PM

I am saddened by what Kobe has done as I am a Laker fan and have always respected his demeanor on and off the court. Granted, he has a bit of an ego, but can you blame him with the mad game he has? I would be high on myself as well if I had game like that.

As far as the girl goes, and from what I know of Kobe, I have to say she is possibly stretching the truth a bit. Whether it is for money or attention or some other form of self gratification, I don't know. I don't even know if she grasps the full reality of what could happen if she is lying. From what I have read of her, it seems she might be someone reaching out for help because of recent turmoil in her life and this is how she is reacting.

This is all very sad. If Kobe is truly guitly, I hope he gets the punishment that any U.S. citizen would be given under our legal system. If he is not guilty of rape, I hope he, his wife and his child can move on with their lives to the best of their ability. He is guilty of adultery and that will always leave a mark on his reputation with me. *sniff, sniff*

eyeronic · 07-30-2003, 12:53 PM

Fact is, we don't know the facts. Everyone who thinks they "know" what really happened needs to STFU because they don't. I personally don't think he did it, but who the hell knows. I'll bet he doesn't even know.

bobw · 07-30-2003, 01:32 PM

Guilty of adultery, YES
of rape, NO

oldtimer · 07-30-2003, 03:30 PM

Bah! Can the speculation stop already?

mrbuck12000 · 07-30-2003, 07:08 PM

WHY SHOULD WE CARE?

View Poll Results: Do you think Kobe is guilty of sexual assault?
Yes	65	37.36%
No	109	62.64%
Voters: 174. You may not vote on this poll

07-23-2003, 05:35 AM	#43 (permalink)
troit Transfer Agent Location: NYC	I agree with Sixate on this one -- just another form of extortion.... Maybe these guys need to walk around with an attorney that pops out of the closet right before they seal the deal with these chicks and have them sign a consensual sex form.... __________________ I've yet to dephile myself...

07-23-2003, 07:03 AM	#44 (permalink)
Mupwah Tilted Location: Rock Ridge	innocent until proven guilty. I will refrain from making a judgement. __________________ "Scuse me while I whip this out"

07-23-2003, 11:17 PM	#48 (permalink)
Buzz Addict Location: Earth	No I agree the girl is just out for the money. and the district at. is also trying to make a name for himself tooooooooooo......... __________________ The Only BEER is a Cold BEER. And a Single Malt will get ya every time.

07-24-2003, 12:20 AM	#51 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	By the way, does anyone have the girls picture? I heard she wasn't that good looking. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

07-23-2003, 02:25 AM	#42 (permalink)
lt1s10 Crazy	I can wait till all/more of the evidence comes out. With all the publicity and coverage surronding the case I don't think the DA and sheriffs office were going to do anything but charge him. They are both political offices and Kobe's going to tried by public opinion anyway. So if they charge him and lose then they get to say that his money won out. If they win they gain all the publicity from a high profile case. Pretty much a losing situation for Kobe. If innocent then he still will lose a lot of endorsements or not have as many offers. If guilty then all the endorsements are gone and his career too most likely. These are the things that set him apart from regular people. Then he has all the family issues that anyone else charged in the same situation has to deal with. One night of sex screwed up a hell of lot for him. I hope it was worth it.

07-23-2003, 12:07 PM	#45 (permalink)
alleitup Upright	I think that he is just got some on the side and the chick wanted a marriage.

07-23-2003, 12:13 PM	#46 (permalink)
bigbad Insane	I seriously doubt he did, she is just trying to get herr 15 mins in the spotlight.

07-23-2003, 05:38 PM	#47 (permalink)
90degree Insane	I read some of these responses..and then I stopped.. lol... anyone really think that a guy with this much clout is gonna force someone to have sex with him.. this was consensual.. and then the dollar bills started going off in her head.. simple as that. Money will change hands before this is over.. plain and simple.. now.. my opinion .. is that Kobe Bryant is a dumbass.. if you are gonna do something like that and you have the clout.. then call heidi fliess.. .. or the woman that took over for her... you dont do something like this.. lol

07-23-2003, 11:30 PM	#49 (permalink)
Gman Insane Location: Down South In Louisiana	I don't think he did it. I was watching CNN one afternoon, and they had a little interview or something with a friend of hers and the friend said "I don't think she was raped. She always told everyone she was going to become famous no matter what she had to do." If a friend of yours is going to go on TV and tell the world, "I think you're lying because I know how you are." That tells you something.

07-24-2003, 12:25 AM	#52 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Found it: http://www.webrats.com/kobewatch/ __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

07-24-2003, 05:40 AM	#53 (permalink)
Bill O'Rights will always be an Alyson Hanniganite Location: In the dust of the archives	I haven't voted yet, one way or the other. Simple fact is...I don't know. Maybe he <b>did</b> do it...maybe not. 2 people know for a fact what really happened, and I only hope that the <b>truth</b> comes out. Anyway, I think I'm gonna go ahead and vote "no", only because Kobe <b>is</b> innocent...until <b>proven</b> guilty. __________________ "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony "Hedonism with rules isn't hedonism at all, it's the Republican party." - JumpinJesus It is indisputable that true beauty lies within...but a nice rack sure doesn't hurt.

07-24-2003, 09:32 AM	#54 (permalink)
burntmonkey Tilted	Theory (ProKobe): Consensual sex. Regrets. Pissed-off parents. Rape charge. Theory (ProGirl): Concierge comes to room. They make out. Guy worked up, girl wants to quit. Guy does not quit. BTW, Donkeypunch, I like your byline. Classic TVZ.

07-24-2003, 10:54 AM	#55 (permalink)
89transam Psycho Location: Central California	If anything , I hope that during the case It is CRYSTAL clear what happened. Cuase for Kobe, anything elce will certianly damage his reputation bigtine. Also someone said "well kobe can get any girl he wants". Yeah thats probobly true, but I dont think rape has anything to do with sex. I can definalty envision both scenarios, but him guilty might go like. Girl. Hi kobe bla bla bla Kobe Heres a drink Girl Oh thanks Kobe Were having sex now right? Girl O well, No I dont think so Kobe What do you mean GIrl I dont want to Kobe NO way, Im Kobe bryant NOONE says no to me Mabye hes just so cocky he couldent stand a girl saying no to him. __________________ I'd rather be rich than stupid.

07-24-2003, 02:36 PM	#56 (permalink)
SysteMatiC Insane Location: unfortunately not ireland	I really do not like kobe much at all, but i really doubt he raped her. I am pretty sure he could sleep with plenty of ppl with out having to force them. She said she walked in to his room and he all of a sudden went crazy, i dont think so. __________________ I have more respect for a man who says what he means, even if he is wrong, then one who acts like an angel, but is nothing but a devil.

07-24-2003, 07:51 PM	#57 (permalink)
Somenosuke Insane Location: The 7th Level..	I have been hearing about this from my brothers and the TV for days now. Eventually I will likely get tired of hearing about it, but that's typical with most huge hyped up scandals. Anyway... I will admit that at first, I thought this girl was just doing what she did for attention/money. I am not going to say my opinion has changed drastically, other than switching to neutral. Yes, Kobe is a jackass for cheating on his wife, and if I were her, he would be getting several pieces of my mind, and most likely be slapped with a divorce. There is no way for me or anyone else to truly know what happened between Kobe and this girl, but let's keep in mind that this world is not perfect, and people will fuck each other over no matter what. That is not to say this is happening in this case, but it may very well be what is going on. Personally, it angers me greatly when I hear about women crying rape just to get even or for their own personal gain or whatever selfish reason they may have. When women cry wolf like that, it makes people less trusting of their word, and less trusting of the word of others. Unfortunately, that is a part of life. If it turns out that Kobe did force sex on this girl, well, we'll be mad at Kobe. If the opposite happens, and it turns out that the girl is lying, many people will be very pissed at the girl, and again, less trust will be placed in future rape claims for many people. Either outcome will be sad for someone in some way. __________________ Sex is not the answer. Sex is the question. Yes is the answer.

07-24-2003, 08:53 PM	#58 (permalink)
hobo Archangel of Change	I don't think he raped her, but he is guilty of cheating. I doubt she is doing this for fame though, otherwise she wouldn't have hid her identity.

07-24-2003, 09:26 PM	#59 (permalink)
Coolidge Tilted	Running the risk of thread crapping I think I'm going to go ahead with it. I don't care. Why is it that this guy gets so much attention? The media finds some random story and milks it out for all it's worth. I think everyone over the age of 13 knows that all athletes AREN'T the heroes we all thought they were. Also there are so many rapes a day. Why the hell does this one deserve a 10 minute media block of every news show? I'll leave you with this: is derryl (sp) strawberry in jail? was gary condit re-elected? nobody cares...

07-24-2003, 09:38 PM	#60 (permalink)
thedrake Banned Location: Iowa	Well it seems to me no one can dispute the fact both went to the hospital with injuries after the incident. So people should just take the obscentities and shove them up their ass before accusing the accuser of lying.

07-24-2003, 10:58 PM	#61 (permalink)
tricks Crazy	He should'nt have put himself in this kind of a situation in the first palce if he cared about his wife at all. I hear he's doing damage control on that front now as well. __________________ People Are Stupid. People can be made to believe any lie, either because they want it to be true or because they fear that it is.

07-25-2003, 02:07 AM	#62 (permalink)
Da-Gimp Minister of Global Beatdown Location: Redmond, WA	I think he's guilty of being horny and stupid, but thats kind of redundant for sports athletes. Personally I'm just horny.

07-25-2003, 08:01 AM	#63 (permalink)
Vogad Registered User Location: Sooner Nation	1. no I don't think Kobe is guilty 2. based on the "reported information" (2 overdoses, bragging to party guests) it will NOT even make it to trial 3. the girl will make some big bucks neverless (ie: Enquirer, Globe, Penthouse, Playboy, TV movie rights)

07-26-2003, 08:21 PM	#66 (permalink)
Gorgo Tilted Location: Tampa Bay, Florida	Well, this issue is ripe for pure speculation. Sealed records, conflicting eyewitness accounts, blabbermouth girlfriends on TV, confessed adultery. Whats for sure: -she worked in the lobby of the hotel -she wound up in his hotel room -they had sex of some kind, maybe -somone hit someone -someone went to the hospital -she called the sheriff the next day Rape is one of several gray area type crimes, especially with no witnesses. He said, she said, who knows, only them. The difference between her saying yes, no or not saying anything could be the difference between Kobe going free and doing 5-10 in the State Pen, like another famous athlete . . . cough, Tyson, cough . . . Forget prenuptial agreements, we could be seeing the beginning of the "pre-one night standing" agreement, better get it notarized too. __________________ Will Code for food . . . Last edited by Gorgo; 07-27-2003 at 11:26 AM..

07-26-2003, 09:03 PM	#67 (permalink)
Same Guy Crazy Location: Hawaii	nobody knows the truth yet, but for the hell of it i'll say yes he's guilty when youre that popular and rich you tend to think that youre a god and all the sudden no means i like it rough... __________________ Thank you, come again.

07-27-2003, 01:22 AM	#68 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	all i can say is.. that webrats link IMo was pretty f-'d up

07-27-2003, 01:34 PM	#69 (permalink)
aedenji Crazy	I think he is guilty and so is she.

07-27-2003, 01:55 PM	#70 (permalink)
Stare At The Sun Eh? Location: Somewhere over the rainbow	I dont think he did it, but i dont care, i mean, its not like he couldnt get some other chick, its just her trying to get some fast cash and some time in the spotlight

07-27-2003, 04:53 PM	#71 (permalink)
oldtimer Addict	Someone lock this thread, it's gone about as far as it's gonna go. Just the same comments repeating over and over. __________________ Slowly but surely getting over the loss of TFP v. 3.0. Where the hell am I?.... Showering once a month does not make you a better person. "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." Martin Luther King, Jr.

07-28-2003, 10:13 AM	#72 (permalink)
yankeefatboy Addict Location: northern california	How come only 2 options on the poll? Where is "hell yes!" Sorry, no patience for hipocrites. The man is a heel!

07-29-2003, 11:39 AM	#73 (permalink)
slant eyes Psycho Location: cali	it sucks that the defense is using her past as credibility. so you're telling me that if someone were to rape a lunatic, crazy, schizo girl who was yelling NO! at the top of her lungs or even if she didn't want to, it'd be OK? that's just plain wrong. way i see it, there are a few scenarios. 1) it was consensual, she wanted to make off with some money and fame -- what a bitch 2) it started as consensual at first, then she had second thoughts, said 'NO', and Kobe, being Kobe thinks 'No one says NO to Kobe' or takes it as an act of teasing, and just continues the act -- anytime a girl says NO, NO it is. put your member back in or beat off in a corner. 3) Kobe was drunk or high on pills, horny from not seeing his wife in so long, felt he as a superstar could get away with anything, sees this convenient girl and decides, I'm getting me a piece --still, cuz you're rich and famous don't make you outside the law what sickens me more is how he is showing his sorrow and his dedication of love for his wife by purchasing a 4 million dollar ring. so the moral of the story kids, cheat on your wife as much as you want, true love and trust can ALWAYS be bought in either sense, there are only 2 people that will ever know, but taking her credibility from her past and using that against her accusations of rape is wrong. __________________ no man or woman is worth your tears - and the one who is, won't make you cry question authority, don't ask why, just do it!

07-29-2003, 11:57 AM	#74 (permalink)
diverdac Upright	Everyone is looking for their 15 minutes...

07-29-2003, 09:14 PM	#76 (permalink)
water_boy1999 Fly em straight! Location: Above and Beyond	I am saddened by what Kobe has done as I am a Laker fan and have always respected his demeanor on and off the court. Granted, he has a bit of an ego, but can you blame him with the mad game he has? I would be high on myself as well if I had game like that. As far as the girl goes, and from what I know of Kobe, I have to say she is possibly stretching the truth a bit. Whether it is for money or attention or some other form of self gratification, I don't know. I don't even know if she grasps the full reality of what could happen if she is lying. From what I have read of her, it seems she might be someone reaching out for help because of recent turmoil in her life and this is how she is reacting. This is all very sad. If Kobe is truly guitly, I hope he gets the punishment that any U.S. citizen would be given under our legal system. If he is not guilty of rape, I hope he, his wife and his child can move on with their lives to the best of their ability. He is guilty of adultery and that will always leave a mark on his reputation with me. sniff, sniff __________________ Doh!!!! -Homer Simpson

07-30-2003, 12:53 PM	#77 (permalink)
eyeronic I run E. Location: New York	Fact is, we don't know the facts. Everyone who thinks they "know" what really happened needs to STFU because they don't. I personally don't think he did it, but who the hell knows. I'll bet he doesn't even know. __________________ I hold with those that favor fire.

07-30-2003, 01:32 PM	#78 (permalink)
bobw Psycho Location: somewhere....	Guilty of adultery, YES of rape, NO

07-30-2003, 03:30 PM	#79 (permalink)
oldtimer Addict	Bah! Can the speculation stop already? __________________ Slowly but surely getting over the loss of TFP v. 3.0. Where the hell am I?.... Showering once a month does not make you a better person. "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." Martin Luther King, Jr.