Kreal

Hello all, I am new here this is my first time on the forum and boy do I have a heck of a situation for your advice. Here is my background: I'm an honest hard working mid 20's male, I am a long-term relationship type of person, I want a wife. I want children. I have three cats. I own my own home and collect many different classic cars (30+), I've never been to college I work a regular job and I am very frugal with my money. I enjoy knowing that I can come home at night to a loving girlfriend and fall asleep with her in my arms. I don't go to bars, smoke, drink or even have cable television. My goal is to retire early and travel the world so when I met a girl that 'agreed' with all of this, I jumped on it.

Almost two years ago I met a girl through one of her friends and fell in love with her. I don't think most guys would give her a chance after hearing her story, but I did. She lived in a house trailer that was falling apart and had no running water or heat. She has four children with three different fathers. Two of the children are twins and they live with their father I have never met them. She had no car, horrible credit and worked a basic minimum wage job. But she was gorgeous, fun, energetic and very sexual. I believe I let my sexual drive guide me into my decision. Within a week of knowing her I tried my best to repair the water situation in her trailer but to no avail. I gave up and told her to move her and her two children in with me until I figure it out as it was winter time and they were freezing. One a girl age 4, the other a boy a new born. Both with different fathers. The boy's father wants nothing to do with him. The girls father is rarely around. Once a month went by and all was well and I began really liking this girl, I decided she could live with me forever if she liked.

So I put together a kids room, bought them brand new bunk beds, mattresses, a crib for the newborn. She moved in and brought with her nothing. I trusted her immediately, gave her keys to the house and we lived here fine for over a year without any issues. I bought her a car and helped her settle her bills and finances. I was a stand-in father for her daughter, and I was to act as the father for her newborn (now almost 2 years old). She cleaned, cooked and was wonderful to me. We had discussed marriage, and everything was a go. We were happy, or at least I thought we were.

For nearly two years we loved eachother. One big family. Her two children, my 3 cats. Our one year anniversary was a month ago and she had a tattoo of my name put across her left breast, as to show that she is completely committed and I am 'hers', I was honored, some would view this as extreme but I felt honored. She became a manager at her work (still not much pay up from minumum wage, basic fast food job) and I was very proud of her. There are many bisexual girls where she works, its oddly common. She invited one of them over to the house last week to hang out while I was at work. This girl is a pure lesbian, more manly than most men I know, a deeper voice and dresses like a man, many facial piercings, etc. She is a druggie, and just looks like trouble. Not the typical sexy 'lesbian' you would invision. She wants to be a man, she almost is one.

The girl came every day of the week and stayed for hours while I was at work earning a living to pay for the house that keeps her and her children housed and the food in their mouths. I noticed my girlfriend would come home and just throw her clothes on the floor, rarely feed the cats or make sure they had ample water, leave empty wrappers sitting on the counter etc. I am very neat organized person and she always kept the house clean so this was completely a surprise. She would always be sitting on the couch with her new friend, talking about nothing. For hours. While she had the children locked up in their room upstairs ! Yes LOCKED!!

I got a very bad vibe about her friend and her friend would look at me with a glare almost as if she wanted me dead, as I saw the messes growing more around the house as the lack of 'care' about anyone or anything other than her new friendship became evidently clear to me I asked her if there was something going on. When I confronted her alone about it she denied it. She had stopped kissing me, sending me cute text messages and caring about anyone, even her kids. All that mattered to her was her new friend. She defended her like she was a god.

She instantly came up with other 'places to go' with other friends, and I came to find out she never saw those other friends. She was seeing this girl. Every day of the week that week I came home she would be there, both of them sitting on the couch. So I planted a tape recorder which reveiled to me that she was at that girls parents house cheating girl on girl, instead of at the mall with a different friend where she told me before hand. This was only 3 days ago. I let the tape record all day while I was out and about and it recorded, at my house in my living room their sex session, and they both called eachother sensual names, and that they loved eachother. My girlfriend said things like 'How do we act around people, I know how we act in private", "So i cant believe im cheating on my boyfriend with a girl", and the worse "what if he walks in right now and catches us?" to which the lesbian replied "Id stab him to death with this knife", to which my girlfriend said nothing just kept on moaning. the lesbian also mentioned buring my house down, they shoved my 3 cats in a one cat carrier cage to get them out of the way. The kids were locked upstairs for over 6+ hours without them even checking on them.

I came home, before I got the tape recorder to hear the rest and confronted BOTH of them, asked them what I had done wrong, what are we going to do now? They denied ever having done a thing, or having feelings for eachother, just friends 'hanging out'. I told them of my plan to propose to her, spend the rest of my life with her and to love her children as my own as I have done for the past 2 years. It meant nothing. I grabbed the tape recorder and listened to it in private, the lesbian left for work and only my girlfriend remained, she asked me to cuddle with her, but still wouldn't kiss me or admit to anything. I asked her one more time to tell me the truth and told her if she admitted then I would forget everything and we would be fine. She denied. I flipped my top and told her we were over due to her dishonesty and unfaithfulness, and to get out. She cried and said she wanted to fix things, she admitted to doing things with the lesbian. Yet still I packed bags for her and the kids and gave her $400 cash for hotel fare. I knew she had family, relatives and friends to stay with. She is staying with the lesbian at her parents house.

I love this girl and her children so much that I am wanting to take her back and forgive it all. I would even allow a girl on the side but I dont think I can deal with wanting that evil lesbian girl around. I know my terminology of 'evil' may make you laugh but this lesbian girl is pure evil; she has wrecked our family and caused my girlfriend to be cruel to her children and my pets not to mention unfaithful to me.

I told her today that if she wanted time alone with that girl that I would watch the kids as I believe they deserve to sleep in their own beds. I love them and the hardest part about all of this is losing them, even though they are not mine I love them as if they were.

Before all of this happened my girlfriend was so completely loyal, helped me with anything, she was just amazing. Both of our families loved us. It is like a clear sky turned dark, immediately. Controlled by this lesbian. Now the children suffer without a home, beds, stability or a father.

She went from one step away from marriage, she had a house, a future. Now she has nothing. All because of this. Yet she still clings to this lesbian. She told me that it was because she was alone for 5 hours out of the day and that the lesbian showed her the attention that I wasn't able to because I was at work.

What would you do, what do you think...what the hell!

Strange Famous

I dont think anyone can really tell you what the right thing is, but people can give you their perspective.

Unfaithfullness happens a lot unfortunately, I would guess it is what undermines most relationships. First of all you probably have to decide in yourself if you are even willing to try again... it sounds like you are from the way you write. But if your are, you have to work out between you how the trust can be rebuilt. Its easy to place all of the blame on the other party, but you must admit to yourself that your girlfriend was an entirely willing party in this. Assuming she is a similar age to you, the fact she has children by three fathers (and no contact with the twins - which is pretty unusual for the mother) does show she has had problems being in committed relationships in the past.

I am not trying to be harsh, but it seems that this situation has hurt you deeply and understandably so. If the relationship can be saved I think you both have to face the reasons for this failure. It sounds like you are pretty focused on your work and the material things in life. While you may feel you are working your arse off to provide a financial comfort for your family in hard times, it may be that you do need to pay her more attention. If she is in her mid 20's and has already 4 failed serious relationships (yours lasted 2 years, and the other 3 were serious enough for kids to result from them) she probably really has to have a good hard look at herself, and for some people thats pretty hard.

It sounds like you still love her, but if you go forwards on a basis of broken trust not mended and brushing the real problems under the carpet, it may just cause more pain. Then again, some relationships can survive shocks like this and be as strong again afterwards.

Nobody can just tell you the answer, but all I could advise is that once you both calm down you need to talk seriously and really honestly (and many people find it very hard to be honest with themselves) if you do want to salvage things.

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Plan9

Forget your problem, we need to talk about your intro paragraph.

What job do you have where you have 30 classic automobiles and own a house at say, 27, without a college degree and very frugal with your money?

Sign me up.

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EventHorizon

don't take her back dude, its just asking for trouble

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Baraka_Guru

I think he means those die-cast models. You know, the really fancy ones.

And you know how the trades are these days.... true moolah.

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Kreal

Hi all,

Thanks for the replies thus far. She is 24 and I am 25. I love her dearly and I am uncertain with myself if I would be able to take her back. Its almost as if my mind has two sides, one side wants her back and will do anything even allow her to see the other girl on the side. The other side of me tells me that what she did wasn't right and I should move on as it will probably happen again if I did take her back. I am so confused.

As to the car mentioning, I am just a bit different than most in what I collect and restore, I dont know any other person like me, even if age was irrelevant Its just what I enjoy in life, but it is second to family and love. I only mentioned my car collection in terms of portraying who I am, and to explain why I work all of the time and put my all into things so that she could be a stay at home mother (I offered, she said she wanted to do) but we never spoke of it again. And for us to retire early. Its not like I spent my time in bars or out doing nothing, I was working towards providing a better life for us.

At this point I am unsure what to do.. its just, ah...something I wouldnt wish to happen to anyone.

f6twister

I believe you should move on. This was a very serious relationship and you will always love her but leave it at that. You gave her everything she needed and it wasn't enough. You gave her an opportunity to be honest and it only happened once she was faced with going back to where she was when you found her.

If you take her back, this scenario will continue to repeat itself until one of you snaps (or the gruff lesbian follows through on one of her violent threats).

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Strange Famous

So maybe the problem for her is that you work all the time, and she feels like whats the point of being with someone who is never there?

And maybe the problem for you is that you cant trust her because she has broken your trust?

You cant just all say sorry and "we'll try harder" and just start up again... you have to address the core problems. Or walk away.

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jewels

You were her Prince Charming. You rescued her and gave her what she always wanted. She was appreciative and loved what you did for her. She's 24 and was doing what many young girls in that situation would do. She's young and mistook gratitude for love.

I understand the bond with the kids and if there was any way you could maintain some sort of visitation with the kids, that would be great. However, I get the feeling that it would not be good for either you or her kids in the not-distant future.

I'm with the majority. Cut your losses. Stop allowing her to take advantage of your kindness. You have a big heart and sound like a good guy, but looking for women to rescue sounds like an invitation that will likely end badly. You're young and have plenty of time to find what you're looking for.

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Ourcrazymodern?

Have you considered killing the dyke? If you've described the situation as I read it, YOUR lady friend is an idiot who didn't really care for you. Sad, especially for her kids, but only as much your business as you continue to make it. There are so many out there who will share your dreams for the future without letting others get in the way, you should have a look around. Best of luck, young man!

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flat5

Good post, jewels.

dlish

either lock the friend out, or lock em both out.

id go for the latter porsonally. from what youve said, this seems like this behaviour will continue. you dont have to put up with this shit and share her with another woman. why would you comprimise if you're in the right?

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Kreal

Thanks again for the great replies. I think I'm beginning to fight my inner conscience that still wants her back and is open to forgiving... today I realize there really is no reason for me to want a girl like her after this. In the dating world she sure isn't the best offering as she can never (and never showed initiative) in wanting to better herself financially, credit wise, or look for a better job.

Pretty much the sexual openness, and her cleaning and helping with tasks around the house is about all she can qualify for in the 'whats good' department.

Faithfulness, honesty, well they flew out the door so fast I couldnt catch up.

I believe she did exactly what Jewels said; she mistook my offerings of giving her a home, a car, and a future for love. She had the desire for a lesbian and I just couldnt fulfill that need for her.

Part of me of course is still wanting her back, but thats to be expected as I am a weak-hearted person when it comes to being alone. Its like she was one step from marriage, one step from the top of the ladder and she just jumped down all of the steps. Now she is without a future, a home and stability . I really don't understand it and I dont think I ever will.

Atleast with my name tattood on her breast she will forever remember the name of the man that loved her and her children most in this world, reguardless of faults.

What I do find odd is that she ignores me when I ask her where she wants me to drop her things off at. I tell her 'Where do I put your things? I'll drop them off anywhere just tell me where, I want them out of my house'. And there is never a reply.

Plan9

Is "dyke" really appropriate language here, TFP?

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dlish

on the front lawn. dont ask her, just tell her where you're going to leave them.

i feel for the kids too, but thats not really your responsibility as you're not the legal guardian.

you'll feel like shit for a while, but once you feel the love of a real relationship, your guilt will subside, and you'll get on with life. Good luck.[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]

you're right, Plan9..after re-reading it a few hours later, it wasnt appropriate....im such a dumbass when im drunk

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citadel

You said that you two discussed marriage, but how deeply? The way I read your post, she's needy with a history of bad relationships, and you stepped in to buy, fix and give within days of meeting her. You probably saw that as rapid steps towards something permanent, but did she? In your rush to get into the relationship I think you missed some pretty big warning signs.

She's hedging her bets in case things don't work out with what's her name. For the sake of your self respect (and emotional well being), don't be a doormat.

I wouldn't ever use that term personally, but some lesbians self-identify with it. In the context of the posts here I think you're right though.

eribrav

She got where she was in life by making bad decisions.
She isn't going to change.
If you get back together (which would be a bad move IMO) she will find some other way to torpedo things again in the future.
Go find someone who won't be so destructive on a whim.

EventHorizon

tell her the day after the garbage man comes that all of her shit is on the curb and that the longer she waits to pick it up, the more likely its going to be taken by passers by or thrown out.

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Originally Posted by canuckguy Pretty simple really, do your own thing as long as it does not fuck with anyone's enjoyment of life.

StanT

The one and only time I've been in this situation, I loaded all her things into my truck, backed into her parent's driveway and slid them off the back. Not one of my more tactful responses; but it felt damn good and worked well.

skizziks

i'm sorry, that is not the "most insane story." in fact...that's not such an insane story at all, i've heard many many similar stories and many worse. my advice...follow your heart, and all your dreams will come true.

citadel

Did you park it and slide them off, or drop the tailgate, pop the clutch and leave them behind with a strip of rubber?

EventHorizon

lol why would he pop the clutch? also, i think he meant putting his truck in reverse and then gunning it before slamming on the brakes right on he property (lawn, doorstep, doghouse, whatever)

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Originally Posted by canuckguy Pretty simple really, do your own thing as long as it does not fuck with anyone's enjoyment of life.

dlish

personally i'd rather see the strip of rubber fishtail down the street. that'd be comedy gold.

There you have it Kreal.. you know what to do.

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StanT

Na, I was semi civil and even used a ramp. However, I did leave her panty collection on top (at her folks house).

She was stopping by every few days in her new boyfriend's Jaguar XKE. "Can't fit much in the Jag". Fuck that.

Amusingly, the Jaguar was up on blocks when I dropped her crap off. I'm guessing a 12 cylinder engine with a bad valve isn't trivial.

Damn, she was hot and damn we were young, I never saw her again.

chinese crested

Think yourself lucky you did not lose your house as well. I assume if you had gotten married and she had moved in her female shag you would have been lucky to get her old trailer to live in. Whilst it certainly sounds like one of you was in love - I dont think that person was her. You say you got on well with her family - so ask them to pick her stuff up from your lawn - or hire Stan to drop it off for her. Yes leave the panties on the top for the neighbours - you could always decorate them with brown sauce and a lobster claw. You can never be the lesbian she wants now can you. If you decide to take the whore back, please take your cats to a sanctuary and sign them over for adoption first - there is no excuse for animal cruelty, nor for you to knowingly put them at further risk.

Random Hair

"Forget your problem, we need to talk about your intro paragraph.

What job do you have where you have 30 classic automobiles and own a house at say, 27, without a college degree and very frugal with your money?"

He works in a scrap yard, surrounded by the wrecks of 30 classic cars

Boom Boom.


What you need to do my friend is walk away.
I know that’s easier said than done, we’ve all been in love and it sucks when it ends. But you will never have what you had; you will always be worried when she is out and never trust her. So leave alone.
You may love those kid like your own, but they aren’t.
Eventually you will find someone better for you. And you can have some kids of your own. And even if you don’t, as Shakespeare said (maybe): “T’is better to die alone as an old man than be stabbed up some mental dyke.”

The_Jazz

God, I feel like I'm getting RickRolled by this thread. Let's see, homophobia (check), wild claims (check), missed points (check), death threats (check). Yep, got 'em all.

OK, Kreal, I'm going to assume that we're getting the truth as you see it. That doesn't mean that we've got a good grip on the situation, just that I'm assuming you're telling us what you think are the important parts. And I think you've missed some stuff.

Your narrative sets the other woman up to be a pretty hardcore drug user but then drops the thread. Are you sure your girlfriend didn't get involved with that? Based on what I've read, it seems glaringly obvious that you need to go get checked for STD's since lesbians can, in fact, give each other diseases.

Based on what you've posted, it seems entirely possible that you could get custody of the kids if that's what you want. You probably could if you just asked her, although you'd want to get a lawyer to make it all legal. You could even start adoption proceedings with her blessing.

If I were you, I'd remove "dyke" from your vocabulary when your ex is around. It's not going to do you much good.

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Strange Famous

who'd he threaten to kill?

And it isnt possible for two women to exchange a significant STD in my opinion. Two women cannot have full sex with each other, just foreplay or oral sex.

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The_Jazz

It wasn't the OP. Look closer, SF.

As for your opinion, I'm sorry, but you're wrong.

Sexually transmitted infections: a guide for lesbian and bisexual women

It's not as easy as hetrosexual sex or gay sex, but it's definitely possible.

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dlish

strange you have no idea about STD'd then. Do your research before you open up your gob with that nonsense.

"significant" STD's can in fact me transmitted. Mostly STI's but yes, even HIV.

where's Daniel_ when i need him.

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Strange Famous

you might be able to get crabs or herpes from certain actions that two women could commit, but I dont see how you could get anything fatal (ie AIDS, Hepatisis, Syphillis, etc)

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The_Jazz

SF, I see you didn't bother to click the link I gave you. I even made sure it was a .uk just for you.

The highlights, though:

• By sharing toys
• Oral sex, especially if one is having their period
• Digital insertion, especially if there are long fingernails and an open wound
• Gonorrheoa, chlamydia, herpes, HPV (which can lead to cervical cancer) and sphyillis can all be spread through oral sex.

Just because you can't imagine it doesn't mean that there's not a risk factor. There's a very real one.

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flat5

Any transfer of blood is enough to pass disease. Bleeding gums, sores, sharing drug paraphernalia...

KirStang

Palimony (that a girlfriend could claim alimony) is an asinine concept which thankfully never gained traction.

You sound like a good guy and we're about the same age.

Next time pay attention to the warning signs. A relatively young girl who's mothered different children from different fathers and is eyeball deep in debt without being able to pay for basic housing isn't the type of girl you invite in to your home.

I don't care how good the sex is--these sort of things generally spell trouble. And now you know why.

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.....I'm probably about to get creamed by the PC people in here. Sigh.

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blahblah454

Everything except the lesbian sounds pretty close to my ex. I was also a broke ass student with hardly even one car though.

The fact of the matter is I eventually just got the hell out of there with none of my stuff. I still kinda get an update on her life every now and then, and she is just as destructive to herself now as when I was with her. She has gone through about 4 other guys, had them support her and "make babies" with her, and then the cycle just goes over and over.

All I can say is that I am so thankful I didn't get her pregnant.

Run and don't look back!

Plan9

Negative.

If you can call a homosexual a derogatory term in this thread, you can most certainly call a baby-daddy-hopping trailer trash slut a baby-daddy-hopping trailer trash slut. I mean, everybody is so gosh darn honest here. Don't let their "free love" bullshit get you down, brah. They're all white people, anyway.

...

For the OP:

Kreal, my man, you need a new hobby. Stop playing savior and start playing equal partner. Consider the return on your investment next time.

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ZombieSquirrel

Thank you Jazz. Yes Lesbians can get serious STDs, and I'm sorry if you cannot fathom this SF. The list Jazz presented is great. When a lesbian told me once that I was ignorant for giving her a condom, I told her to use it on a vibrator or strap on. I also gave her some dental dams...cherry flavored even.

The OP also said that the woman in question was a druggie. He did not go into detail, but if she shoots up with a shared needle, she could get HIV that way. (OP may have gone in further detail, but i wad too lazy to reread the long post. It's also a frustrating story that I did not wish to revisit.) It's possible that the girlfriend uses too.

I am concerned for the children. If she locked them in their rooms, that is abuse. I would contact the authorities. If she is bringing a drug addicted individual around her children, she is not a very good parent.

I wouldn't put up with all this, but it's not my place to tell you what to do.

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chinese crested

Please never ever give advice to people on safe sex or contraceptives.
Standing the woman on her head in a corner afterwards does not make the tadpoles swim in the wrong direction, you can not knock your male friend up by giving him anal or sharing pool water, and of course sexualy transmitted diseases can be passed between gals who hump gals. Hep and such can be passed through 'shared things', and of course you can get oral thrush from eating infected vagina. Sounds like a certain sort of church education you have been given.

LordEden

You can take the girl out of the trailer park but you can't take the trailer park out of the girl. Period.

Listen to plan9, as always he 100% correct.

*****

When did lesbians stop having sex? That would come to a big surprise to my lesbian friends who fuck each other on a regular basis. I'm pretty sure SF still thinks GRID is real.

*****

OP: Stop trying to play "White Knight", it's just not fucking worth it. I have tried to save all kinds of broken women in my life and it always ended with pain, heartbreak, mental institutions, police reports, and trips to the free health clinic.

Don't do it, just don't.

*****

Tattooing someone's name on you is the biggest Red Flag there is. NO ONE should do this, as it is the trashiest thing you could possible do (besides dead family members, i'll accept that). Chick tattoos your name near any zone that you associate with sex, get the fuck out of there while you can. Change your name, sell your house, run and don't look back!

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Plan9

Chinese Crested, did you miss Jazz's earlier post?

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