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Couple shoplifted $5 million - tracking device
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The second and the bigger issue for me is the tracking device. I find it smart inventive, and potentially illegal. I do not even know if it can be admissible in court or not. True they were not working as an agent for the police so maybe it is. Also does the store have potential criminal concerns for putting it on. |
Quick, let's have KirStang chime in about the 4th Amendment and tracking devices.
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Are tracking devices listed under the same rules as wiretaps? I would think you would just need a warrant to do this, but I don't know shit about the judicial system except that you don't throw plastic lawn chairs at off duty police officers.
They probably waited to either see if it was a shoplifting ring or get it up to the level of crime that they could put them away for awhile. |
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(a) Depends on what jurisdiction you're in. and (b) it ostensibly was not a state actor, although you can make an agency argument. Under what I've studied in section 1983 "state actor" law, this would not suffice to become state action and invoke 4th Amendment protection (1983 is civil, whereas this is criminal). Finally, there is always room to study each case and draw parallels on the facts and reasoning. I somehow doubt a judge would be very sympathetic to a couple who stole $5 mil worth of goods. |
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That would be like wal-mart placing a tracking device on every customers vehicle because they want to collect data on every store you visit. I dont see how they can legaly do that. If I suspect my wife is cheating on me with my neighbor can I place a tracking device on his car? |
Well, I don't see how it's necessarily illegal under property laws. Safeway didn't damage the car (that's been reported; it's a different story if they did). They didn't share the information they gathered with anyone but law enforcement. And they did it to protect their own property. I don't see how they necessarily need permission to do this. I also don't see how it's any different than them hiring a private investigator to follow these folks.
There's a big difference with your Wal-Mart example. Wal-Mart isn't tracking you to protect their property. Their data would most likely end up being sold, and that would most definitely violate lots of privacy laws. |
Yea that's the argument that Safeway will probably make: You have no legitimate expectation of privacy while travelling on public roadways and public shopping centers.
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$5 million doesn't sound right at all. I don't think even a good thief could steal that amount in that time. And these were bad thieves (they got caught altho tracking device wtf.)
I'm really getting sick of this kind of thing. There is now no such thing as innocent until proven guilty. My friend is in jail without bail, I mean automatically, he hasn't been sentenced or seen a judge or anything. This is the kind of thing that makes me respect police or any government authority less and less. I used to respect them a lot (whole family full of police, firemen, and military). |
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If you take the "corporate" portion out of the equation, I don't see where this is that big a deal. So long as it's confined to catching those suspected of illegal acts, I don't have a problem with this. |
$5 million would be $2666 per day, every day for 5 years. That seems like quite a lot.
They should have used one of those shopping cart parking lot stopping sensors that would notify security when they came into the parking lot. |
If this is a full time job and they're hitting multiple stores per day, it doesn't seem that farfetched to me, especially if they're after the higher ticket items, like alcohol and pharmacy items.
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Yeah, batteries and razors are expensive and don't take up much space. If I wore cargo pants, I could probably walk around with $1000 of razors and not even look that bulky.
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took a bail recovery agents class a few years back, and found it was amazing how lax the laws often actually are with regards to tracking- especially if it is not a gov. agency involved- You may think that "they " cant legally watch, track, and make notes of you, but you would, dependent on your state of residence, likely be amazed....
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