The "rape" video game!?! - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Tully Mars · 03-31-2010, 06:12 AM

This, according to CNN-

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Tokyo, Japan (CNN) -- The game begins with a teenage girl on a subway platform. She notices you are looking at her and asks, "Can I help you with something?"

That is when you, the player, can choose your method of assault.

With the click of your mouse, you can grope her and lift her skirt. Then you can follow her aboard the train, assaulting her sister and her mother.

As you continue to play, "friends" join in and in a series of graphic, interactive scenes, you can corner the women, rape them again and again.

The game allows you to even impregnate a girl and urge her to have an abortion. The reason behind your assault, explains the game, is that the teenage girl has accused you of molesting her on the train. The motive is revenge.

Whole story here

What do you think? Freedom of speech and just a game? Or???

My thought is... Seriously? Who thinks up stuff like this as a game?

SecretMethod70 · 03-31-2010, 06:35 AM

Is it sad that I knew it was made in Japan just based on the thread title?

Plan9 · 03-31-2010, 07:53 AM

This kind of thing is hardly new or shocking. According to another article, the Japanese have been putting out cartoon/anime adult "sex adventure" games for years. You name it... tentacle rape, demon rape, rape on subway cars, rape at school, gang rape, lesbian rape... they're all about weird sex.

Back in my army days I had this one guy, looked like a parrot with glasses, who used to play a MS DOS-based computer game called "Ring Out" where captured cartoon/anime schoolgirls were forced to compete in some lesbian bondage MMA fights. Really kinda creepy. Well, that and his snorting.

...

Something tells me a few guys here at TFP are experts on these games.

Tully Mars · 03-31-2010, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Plan9

This kind of thing is hardly new or shocking. According to another article, the Japanese have been putting out cartoon/anime adult "sex adventure" games for years. You name it... tentacle rape, demon rape, rape on subway cars, rape at school, gang rape, lesbian rape... they're all about weird sex.

Back in my army days I had this one guy, looked like a parrot with glasses, who used to play a MS DOS-based computer game called "Ring Out" where captured cartoon/anime schoolgirls were forced to compete in some lesbian bondage MMA fights. Really kinda creepy. That and his snorting.

I had no idea and I lived in Japan for six months.

Plan9 · 03-31-2010, 07:58 AM

Well, you don't strike me as a drooling computer perv, Tully... maybe just perv, regular type, one each. Anyway, I've always been told that Japan is full of outta control sexual fantasy media in plain view (in bookstores next to cooking guides and school texts) and that their culture basically accepts it because they feel it prevents real life sex crime. As one of my bros would say, "Dude, it's the land of bukkake! That says it all." And it kinda does.

Tully Mars · 03-31-2010, 07:59 AM

Good thing you added "computer" in there.

Baraka_Guru · 03-31-2010, 08:02 AM

It's Japan.

They have vending machines that sell used panties.

Plan9 · 03-31-2010, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru

It's Japan. They have vending machines that sell used panties.

Don't tell Eden. He'll change his plane tickets.

LordEden · 03-31-2010, 08:36 AM

*sniff* *sniff* *SSSSSSSSSNNNNNNNNnnnniffff* If you microwave them for a few seconds, it makes them feel like she just took them off.

Boner'd!

*****

Seriously, this doesn't surprise me. I've seen some of the games that have come out of Japan and I'm just surprised there are not tentacles. I look at it this way, America has the "gore" games ("Hey man, if you shoot this zombie in the head JUST RIGHT, it explodes! Look at the blood stains on the wall!") and japan has the sex games. Like Planster9000 said, this isn't that abnormal. I got a friend who whacks it to tentacle rape hentai scenes, if you could think about it in a sexual way, someone is trying to make money off of it.

I bet money Tully is going to get me to download this game and bring it to him in Mexico on my external HD.

"Guys, grab a drink and make yourself at home... I'm... uh... going to the bedroom... to... uh... trade stocks! Yeah, trading socks! I mean stocks!"

*Runs off with laptop and a pair of tube socks*

Iliftrocks · 03-31-2010, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tully Mars

This, according to CNN-

Whole story here

What do you think? Freedom of speech and just a game? Or???

My thought is... Seriously? Who thinks up stuff like this as a game?

Well, as long as there is a safe word, it should be OK. ( some sarcasm for ya )

It's role playing, and is in all probability not going to cause people to go out and rape. While I find it completely repulsive, I would see no reason to ban it, but would encourage people to express their depth less disgust at it's existence.

Jetée · 03-31-2010, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Tully Mars

I had no idea and I lived in Japan for six months.

Well, you find what you seek out (or in my case, you just happen upon most knowledge of the world's cultures in the span of a single lazy year of independent research).

Plan9 is right; this is not even close to being new. Simulated rape video games, manga, hardcore anime, and even some live hardcore features all make full use of this sexual scenario, especially in Japan, so much so I'm thinking it goes back several decades, at least. It is somewhat their niche (more-so than the Brasilian, Eastern European, and American porn industries, I'm guessing combined).

Hell, I just found out yesterday of a Japanese "DL site" that caters to this sort of thing (though because of the intimation, connotation, and real effect of the word, "rape", in any language, most of the very intricate and truly-out there fantasies of the Nihon island's population are mostly played out by big-eyed, big-boobied anime dolls)

The_Jazz · 03-31-2010, 09:10 AM

This is yet another thing I'm going to have to try to unlearn.

Jinn · 03-31-2010, 09:27 AM

This game has been out since 2006. There's been like five waves of outrage since then. It's a game. There are movies of the same genre. Not outraged at all.

Let them make whatever they want.

If they really want to 'protect the children', work on better rating systems and better enforcement of it. It's no different than cigarettes and alcohol. OK if you have the adult werewithal to understand it for what it is.

LoganSnake · 03-31-2010, 09:33 AM

More discussion in the thread Cyn made about this game:

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/general...-hundreds.html

ratbastid · 03-31-2010, 10:14 AM

I read a really interesting article about an American woman who went to Japan for grad school or something. She wrote particularly about dating and sex in Japan. Turns out in the Japanese view of sex, the woman should pretty much lie there and be passive and make embarrassed noises during sex. That explains a lot about the hentai I've seen, because it's basically exactly that--the man is aggressive and, to Western eyes, basically assaults the woman, who looks downright unwilling. But that's normal sex for Japan.

She wrote that, not knowing this, she climbed on top of her first Japanese sexual partner, and started riding him, and he went very still and just laid there until she got them both off. Afterward he said how kinky and weird it was to have his partner "turn him into the woman" like that. Turns out ONE partner has to be the "fuck-ee", and changing up the gender roles is at least a little bit taboo...

Anyway, in that context, you can see that rape is of questionable wrongness. She's supposed to "not want it" in normal sex anyway, so...

settie · 03-31-2010, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru

It's Japan.

They have vending machines that sell used panties.

Yep, that's what I was thinking.

If its coming from a Country that likes buying used panties, well, the sky's the limit, ain't it.

Tully Mars · 03-31-2010, 11:50 AM

Yeah LE, like I wear socks.

Don't remember any used panties vending machines, but hey everything was written in Japanese. So???

I do remember vending machines for beer, porn mags and hard booze.

Sorry I searched and didn't see the other thread discussing this, if anyone feels the need merge them.

Hey, RB you just explains the end of several dates I had in Japan. Mystery solved. Seemed odd young women would ask you to dance and drink all night with you then invite you home and sleep, only sleep with you. They were probably just as confused as many of us sailors.

ARTelevision · 03-31-2010, 12:09 PM

This further coarsens, cheapens, and dehumanizes us.
It is disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

ObieX · 03-31-2010, 12:56 PM

This game has been around for years now - CNN needs to get with the times. Let me know when they learn about Artificial Girl, where not only can you take advantage of multiple ladies, but you can design them yourself!

Shauk · 03-31-2010, 01:54 PM

question, does Japan have a high percentage of sex related crimes? I just wonder if this is the whole "video games influence behavior" argument.

I think some can, i think some are too shallow to evoke conditioning from it's players. Say the difference between a Rape Simulator or a Rape MMO

Jetée · 03-31-2010, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by the linked CNN article in the OP

Step into a game shop in Akihabara, Japan's electronics district, and hentai games are readily available. In minutes, we found a game similar to RapeLay. The object here is also revenge: Find and rape the woman who fired the player from his imaginary job. Along the way, the player can rape a number of other girls and women.

Hentai games are not new to Japan. This country has long produced products the rest of the world would call pornographic. But before the arrival of the Internet, such items stayed in Japan. Now, once a game goes on sale in Tokyo, it is digitized and shared everywhere.

Japan does have censorship laws for sexual content. In games and videos, genitalia are obscured, even if it is animated. But Japan's laws do not restrict the themes and ideas of the games.

Not new; not unusual; not seen as a big deal in Japan or the internet (save for the Women's Rights group protesting this game, and to a somewhat broader extent based on our Puritanical history, humble Americans at large. The problem is that we, as a whole populus, do not intimately know of Japan's (not even Canada or Mexico's history even) once-repressed societal structure, and how they have come to evolve into an entirely different nation now based solely on their obsessiveness with virtually anything/everything).

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Originally Posted by ObieX

This game has been around for years now - CNN needs to get with the times. Let me know when they learn about Artificial Girl, where not only can you take advantage of multiple ladies, but you can design them yourself!

I don't have a specific title for you, nor will I tell more easily how to access such a game, but this, too, is not anything new or unheard of as of yet. Crude versions of this type of game in which you describe I've known about for at least fifteen years, and newgrounds probably has equally as rudimentary examples of what you have described.

Plan9 · 03-31-2010, 03:04 PM

I've been thinking about this for the last hour and I feel like there's an untapped video game niche:

The modern American college-age nearly-an-adult-but-not-really relationship! All the drama, half the sex.

Just imagine: You play Schmoe Average, the Destroyer of Bud Light, a senior at Whatever-U. You were used to slacking off in class and pulling that C average, going to keg parties with your frat bros, and trying to nail anything with tits.

That is until you met Kaylee Keeper, the Destroyer of Single Men. She's reasonably attractive, reasonably intelligent, and hell... you were totally wasted that night you gave her rugburn on your buddy's basement couch. It was a whirlwind romance until you got caught up in the title thing and now you're pretty much a married bitch. You know this as true because you've talked about minivans with her before at great length.

Life is kinda miserable now. You've gotta somehow salvage your GPA, your weekends consist of compromising on movies or doing laundry, and you haven't seen your friends since last semester (since they don't go to class). You only have sex on Saturday nights (if you remember the right ABAB combination) and you sometimes find yourself in pleated khakis (reduces HP to 3). Suicide is an option, but only after you get that diploma (level 9 - Graduation, followed by level 10 - Whining About Marriage) and remember to pick up some soymilk (Paperboy-style) on the way back to your apartment. Ya know, the one that used to have all your death metal posters and now looks like its full of furniture that no one uses.

/humor

uncle phil · 03-31-2010, 03:09 PM

^ we MUST hook up with badnick sometime this summer...

Plan9 · 03-31-2010, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by uncle phil

^ we MUST hook up with badnick sometime this summer...

Reading this with the combination of the thread title and what I just wrote is really funny.

Boggy · 03-31-2010, 03:21 PM

Old news. Saw this on CNN. They even said it themselves, Japan has been making these video games for years. I'm not condoning these games nor have I ever played one, but I think CNN/America has their own problems to worry about rather than calling upon an entirely different country's society to change something that has nothing to do with the US in the first place. Japan has a lot of other weird shit too.

Shauk · 03-31-2010, 03:43 PM

k since nobody answered me

YouTube- I MADE THIS FOR YOU!!!!!!!

non-issue, Canada is rapey

Jinn · 03-31-2010, 05:24 PM

They made that already Plan9: Leisure Suit Larry: Magna Cum Laude - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ObieX · 03-31-2010, 06:01 PM

He goes out of his way to not show any of the sex or nudity in the video. That one is Artificial Girl 3.

Rapelay is a simpler/earlier type of game where there's only 3 fake chicks to choose from. Artificial girl you can customize everything from body to outfit. Rapelay ya just go about your raping, in Artificial Girl you have to go and actually get the fake chick to like you before you do anything. There's various personalities and traits you can set for each girl as well.

Basically this is all much to do about nothing. If a parent is doing their job no kid will come in 100 miles of this game unless they download it illegally off the internet. You'd never find this in any store in the US.

I don't get what a woman's rights group has to say about this. They have the right to be offended and that's about where their rights stop in this case. Don't want it, don't buy it. Don't want you kids to have it, be a fucking parent and make sure they don't get their hands on it.

This one is the one they mention in the OP:

Plan9 · 03-31-2010, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jinn

They made that already Plan9: Leisure Suit Larry: Magna Cum Laude - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Awwh, boolsheet. How is that pathetic enough to echo real life?

Willravel · 03-31-2010, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Plan9

Something tells me a few guys here at TFP are experts on these games.

Raises hand. Then other hand. Then makes victory fists.

Jetée · 03-31-2010, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Plan9

Awwh, boolsheet. How is that pathetic enough to echo real life?

People (read as: you and/or me) need to play it in order to receive a vicarious thrill because the alternatives to such are not available to us [/hypothetical loser lives we lead]

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Originally Posted by Willravel

Raises hand. Then other hand. Then makes victory fists.

What do "victory fists" look like?

I picture something akin to the "Macho Man" winning throwing somebody out of the ring.

Willravel · 03-31-2010, 07:26 PM

That's probably the best representation that one can find on google images, yes.

yournamehere · 04-01-2010, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ARTelevision

This further coarsens, cheapens, and dehumanizes us.
It is disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

We've certainly become desensitized, if nothing else. Most of the people on this forum are probably too young to remember, but in 1976, a video game called Death Race was released. In the game, you drove around in a car chasing "gremlins" (they had to call them that - to consider them as people probably would have prevented the game's release), and when you ran them over, they turned into tombstones and you got points.

That seems pretty tame nowadays, doesn't it? But the outrage at the time was even more widespread than it is now over this game. It was a very big deal.

You can't legislate taste, I guess.

EDIT LATER: Plan9, your idea sounds like a variation of the Leisure Suit Larry series

Reese · 04-02-2010, 01:49 AM

Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

Don't you just love sensationalist media? Video in link is whatshisface at CNN trying to interview the co-author of Grand Theft Childhood. I guess they didn't actually read the book so they cut the interview short when they found out she wasn't going to just agree with everything he believed.

mixedmedia · 04-02-2010, 05:04 AM

I remember talking about these games a year or so ago...prob. more.

Obie, when there comes a time when all parents are able to control every piece of information that comes into their child's lives, then please let me know. It's very disingenuous to purport that kids can be 'protected' from seeing anything by having good parents. Not unless you keep them locked up 24/7. Rather, as a parent, the best you can hope for is that you have prepared them adequately for the times when they will see things you would prefer they didn't. And they will, you can count on that.

As for the games themselves, I think they are disgusting and I wish fewer people wanted to play them. And I wish more people would find them objectionable on principal. It's kind of telling that some people would express more indignation at the fact that some 'women's rights groups' are dismayed about the games than they do about the games themselves. Games that are obviously based on male anxiety about loss of control in a modern society...loss of manhood. It's not surprising given the demographics of the board, though.

Baraka_Guru · 04-02-2010, 05:29 AM

This takes pornography to its logical conclusion: guaranteed sex without fear of the consequences.

At the same time, this is a play on a male fantasy; that there is a market---of any size---for this kind of thing is telling of that.

This is along the same line as that game Manhunt, except in that instance it's about engaging in stealth and brutal violence (even for video games).

It's important to remember: this is fantasy. What's interesting, I think, is exploring that bridge between fantasy and reality. What tempts one to cross it?

xepherys · 04-02-2010, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ARTelevision

This further coarsens, cheapens, and dehumanizes us.
It is disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

You know... I don't neccesarily agree at all. Especially the dehumanization aspect. Realistically there's an implied social rule that prohibits desiring things which I htink is bad. A perfect example - teen girls (say late teens - 17 perhaps?)

An adult male having sex with a 17 year old girl is illegal in many Western countries. But most guys can look at a 17 year old hottie and think, "Damn! That would be so awesome!" It's not about maturity and love. It's not about being the older guy and having domination or whatever. It's about instinctive procreation and sex drive for something attractive. Period!

I think that by allowing people to explore what I see as VERY human elements that are not socially acceptable, it makes society a bit safer and more secure. Personally, I don't dig the rape fantasy... but a lot of guys (and girls) do. Actually raping a girl = bad. Fantasizing about it = your personal nature.

Also, for an example of why forced social norms should make us wary... look at the Catholic Priesthood.

ARTelevision · 04-02-2010, 06:23 AM

Responding here to this by Baraka_Guru:

"It's important to remember: this is fantasy. What's interesting, I think, is exploring that bridge between fantasy and reality. What tempts one to cross it?"
__________________

As if human beings had some idea of the difference between so-called "reality" and "fantasy." What should I think? That human beings typically take time to educate themselves about phisosophical considerations and deep subjects such as "what is reality"? Come on. When does the charade that there is something rational and sensible about typical human behavior cease?

We're barely conscious. We're led around by the nose by huge social and cultural forces that play our unconscious fear and desires like so many harpstrings.

We like to flatter ourselves. How about we take a hard look at ourselves once in a while? What are we afraid of?

xepherys · 04-02-2010, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mixedmedia

Games that are obviously based on male anxiety about loss of control in a modern society...loss of manhood. It's not surprising given the demographics of the board, though.

Really, MM?

First of all, these kinds of sexual motivators are not modern or new at all. Video games may be, but rape is as old as dirt. I think it's disingenuous to make assertations otherwise. EVERYONE has their kinks, socially acceptable or not. Mine is as mundane as redheads. Some guys dig older women. Some guys want to feel some power. Some guys want to be dominated. As long as your sexuality is played out in a consentual fashion (or in this case a virtual fashion), then what's the big deal?

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Originally Posted by ARTelevision

Responding here to this by Baraka_Guru:

"It's important to remember: this is fantasy. What's interesting, I think, is exploring that bridge between fantasy and reality. What tempts one to cross it?"
__________________

As if human beings had some idea of the difference between so-called "reality" and "fantasy." What should I think? That human beings typically take time to educate themselves about phisosophical considerations and deep subjects such as "what is reality"? Come on. When does the charade that there is something rational and sensible about typical human behavior cease?

We're barely conscious. We're led around by the nose by huge social and cultural forces that play our unconscious fear and desires like so many harpstrings.

We like to flatter ourselves. How about we take a hard look at ourselves once in a while? What are we afraid of?

Well, that's a whole different thread in a whole different forum. But for the sake of continuity, I'll just pose this.

We're human. Always have been, always will be. We're no smarter now than we were a thousand years ago or a million. We may have slightly more knowledge, though that is debateable. How long ago was it that the "smartest" people thought the Earth was flat? That nuclear weapons were a "good" idea? In three hundred years, people will look back at us from their high-horse thinking how backwards and ignorant we were. But you know what? In three hundred years, there will STILL be guys that fantasize about or commit rape. I'd bet my fortunes on it.

Halx · 04-02-2010, 06:31 AM

There is a sentiment that Philip Pullman recently expressed that I want to fit to this situation:

Nobody has the right to live without being offended. You have every right to avoid the things that offend you by not partaking of them, but you have no right to force them not to exist.

Also, I want to point out 3 more things:

1. A vast majority of Japanese hentai involves rape or emotional resistance to sex. As ratbastid has pointed out, this permeates their culture.

2. Japan has about a 30 times lower rape-per-capita rate than the US.

3. The above statistic should be handled with caution, as fewer things are classified as rape in Japan.

03-31-2010, 06:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	Is it sad that I knew it was made in Japan just based on the thread title? __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

03-31-2010, 07:53 AM	#3 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	This kind of thing is hardly new or shocking. According to another article, the Japanese have been putting out cartoon/anime adult "sex adventure" games for years. You name it... tentacle rape, demon rape, rape on subway cars, rape at school, gang rape, lesbian rape... they're all about weird sex. Back in my army days I had this one guy, looked like a parrot with glasses, who used to play a MS DOS-based computer game called "Ring Out" where captured cartoon/anime schoolgirls were forced to compete in some lesbian bondage MMA fights. Really kinda creepy. Well, that and his snorting. ... Something tells me a few guys here at TFP are experts on these games. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake." Last edited by Plan9; 03-31-2010 at 07:57 AM..

03-31-2010, 07:58 AM	#5 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	Well, you don't strike me as a drooling computer perv, Tully... maybe just perv, regular type, one each. Anyway, I've always been told that Japan is full of outta control sexual fantasy media in plain view (in bookstores next to cooking guides and school texts) and that their culture basically accepts it because they feel it prevents real life sex crime. As one of my bros would say, "Dude, it's the land of bukkake! That says it all." And it kinda does. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake." Last edited by Plan9; 03-31-2010 at 08:03 AM..

03-31-2010, 07:59 AM	#6 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Good thing you added "computer" in there. __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

03-31-2010, 08:02 AM	#7 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	It's Japan. They have vending machines that sell used panties. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

03-31-2010, 09:10 AM	#12 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	This is yet another thing I'm going to have to try to unlearn. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

03-31-2010, 09:27 AM	#13 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	This game has been out since 2006. There's been like five waves of outrage since then. It's a game. There are movies of the same genre. Not outraged at all. Let them make whatever they want. If they really want to 'protect the children', work on better rating systems and better enforcement of it. It's no different than cigarettes and alcohol. OK if you have the adult werewithal to understand it for what it is. __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

03-31-2010, 09:33 AM	#14 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	More discussion in the thread Cyn made about this game: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/general...-hundreds.html __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

03-31-2010, 10:14 AM	#15 (permalink)
ratbastid Darth Papa Location: Yonder	I read a really interesting article about an American woman who went to Japan for grad school or something. She wrote particularly about dating and sex in Japan. Turns out in the Japanese view of sex, the woman should pretty much lie there and be passive and make embarrassed noises during sex. That explains a lot about the hentai I've seen, because it's basically exactly that--the man is aggressive and, to Western eyes, basically assaults the woman, who looks downright unwilling. But that's normal sex for Japan. She wrote that, not knowing this, she climbed on top of her first Japanese sexual partner, and started riding him, and he went very still and just laid there until she got them both off. Afterward he said how kinky and weird it was to have his partner "turn him into the woman" like that. Turns out ONE partner has to be the "fuck-ee", and changing up the gender roles is at least a little bit taboo... Anyway, in that context, you can see that rape is of questionable wrongness. She's supposed to "not want it" in normal sex anyway, so...

03-31-2010, 11:50 AM	#17 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Yeah LE, like I wear socks. Don't remember any used panties vending machines, but hey everything was written in Japanese. So??? I do remember vending machines for beer, porn mags and hard booze. Sorry I searched and didn't see the other thread discussing this, if anyone feels the need merge them. Hey, RB you just explains the end of several dates I had in Japan. Mystery solved. Seemed odd young women would ask you to dance and drink all night with you then invite you home and sleep, only sleep with you. They were probably just as confused as many of us sailors. __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

03-31-2010, 12:09 PM	#18 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	This further coarsens, cheapens, and dehumanizes us. It is disingenuous to pretend otherwise. __________________ create evolution

03-31-2010, 12:56 PM	#19 (permalink)
ObieX Pickles Location: Shirt and Pants (NJ)	This game has been around for years now - CNN needs to get with the times. Let me know when they learn about Artificial Girl, where not only can you take advantage of multiple ladies, but you can design them yourself! __________________ We Must Dissent.

03-31-2010, 01:54 PM	#20 (permalink)
Shauk Confused Adult Location: Spokane, WA	question, does Japan have a high percentage of sex related crimes? I just wonder if this is the whole "video games influence behavior" argument. I think some can, i think some are too shallow to evoke conditioning from it's players. Say the difference between a Rape Simulator or a Rape MMO

03-31-2010, 03:04 PM	#22 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	I've been thinking about this for the last hour and I feel like there's an untapped video game niche: The modern American college-age nearly-an-adult-but-not-really relationship! All the drama, half the sex. Just imagine: You play Schmoe Average, the Destroyer of Bud Light, a senior at Whatever-U. You were used to slacking off in class and pulling that C average, going to keg parties with your frat bros, and trying to nail anything with tits. That is until you met Kaylee Keeper, the Destroyer of Single Men. She's reasonably attractive, reasonably intelligent, and hell... you were totally wasted that night you gave her rugburn on your buddy's basement couch. It was a whirlwind romance until you got caught up in the title thing and now you're pretty much a married bitch. You know this as true because you've talked about minivans with her before at great length. Life is kinda miserable now. You've gotta somehow salvage your GPA, your weekends consist of compromising on movies or doing laundry, and you haven't seen your friends since last semester (since they don't go to class). You only have sex on Saturday nights (if you remember the right ABAB combination) and you sometimes find yourself in pleated khakis (reduces HP to 3). Suicide is an option, but only after you get that diploma (level 9 - Graduation, followed by level 10 - Whining About Marriage) and remember to pick up some soymilk (Paperboy-style) on the way back to your apartment. Ya know, the one that used to have all your death metal posters and now looks like its full of furniture that no one uses. /humor __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake." Last edited by Plan9; 03-31-2010 at 03:10 PM..

03-31-2010, 03:09 PM	#23 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	^ we MUST hook up with badnick sometime this summer... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

03-31-2010, 03:21 PM	#25 (permalink)
Boggy Upright	Old news. Saw this on CNN. They even said it themselves, Japan has been making these video games for years. I'm not condoning these games nor have I ever played one, but I think CNN/America has their own problems to worry about rather than calling upon an entirely different country's society to change something that has nothing to do with the US in the first place. Japan has a lot of other weird shit too.

03-31-2010, 05:24 PM	#27 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	They made that already Plan9: Leisure Suit Larry: Magna Cum Laude - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

03-31-2010, 06:01 PM	#28 (permalink)
ObieX Pickles Location: Shirt and Pants (NJ)	He goes out of his way to not show any of the sex or nudity in the video. That one is Artificial Girl 3. Rapelay is a simpler/earlier type of game where there's only 3 fake chicks to choose from. Artificial girl you can customize everything from body to outfit. Rapelay ya just go about your raping, in Artificial Girl you have to go and actually get the fake chick to like you before you do anything. There's various personalities and traits you can set for each girl as well. Basically this is all much to do about nothing. If a parent is doing their job no kid will come in 100 miles of this game unless they download it illegally off the internet. You'd never find this in any store in the US. I don't get what a woman's rights group has to say about this. They have the right to be offended and that's about where their rights stop in this case. Don't want it, don't buy it. Don't want you kids to have it, be a fucking parent and make sure they don't get their hands on it. This one is the one they mention in the OP: __________________ We Must Dissent. Last edited by ObieX; 03-31-2010 at 06:03 PM..

03-31-2010, 07:26 PM	#32 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	That's probably the best representation that one can find on google images, yes.

04-02-2010, 01:49 AM	#34 (permalink)
Reese Delicious	Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com Don't you just love sensationalist media? Video in link is whatshisface at CNN trying to interview the co-author of Grand Theft Childhood. I guess they didn't actually read the book so they cut the interview short when they found out she wasn't going to just agree with everything he believed. __________________ “It is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick” - Dave Barry

04-02-2010, 05:04 AM	#35 (permalink)
mixedmedia has all her shots. Location: Florida	I remember talking about these games a year or so ago...prob. more. Obie, when there comes a time when all parents are able to control every piece of information that comes into their child's lives, then please let me know. It's very disingenuous to purport that kids can be 'protected' from seeing anything by having good parents. Not unless you keep them locked up 24/7. Rather, as a parent, the best you can hope for is that you have prepared them adequately for the times when they will see things you would prefer they didn't. And they will, you can count on that. As for the games themselves, I think they are disgusting and I wish fewer people wanted to play them. And I wish more people would find them objectionable on principal. It's kind of telling that some people would express more indignation at the fact that some 'women's rights groups' are dismayed about the games than they do about the games themselves. Games that are obviously based on male anxiety about loss of control in a modern society...loss of manhood. It's not surprising given the demographics of the board, though. __________________ Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce

04-02-2010, 05:29 AM	#36 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	This takes pornography to its logical conclusion: guaranteed sex without fear of the consequences. At the same time, this is a play on a male fantasy; that there is a market---of any size---for this kind of thing is telling of that. This is along the same line as that game Manhunt, except in that instance it's about engaging in stealth and brutal violence (even for video games). It's important to remember: this is fantasy. What's interesting, I think, is exploring that bridge between fantasy and reality. What tempts one to cross it? __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

04-02-2010, 06:23 AM	#38 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	Responding here to this by Baraka_Guru: "It's important to remember: this is fantasy. What's interesting, I think, is exploring that bridge between fantasy and reality. What tempts one to cross it?" __________________ As if human beings had some idea of the difference between so-called "reality" and "fantasy." What should I think? That human beings typically take time to educate themselves about phisosophical considerations and deep subjects such as "what is reality"? Come on. When does the charade that there is something rational and sensible about typical human behavior cease? We're barely conscious. We're led around by the nose by huge social and cultural forces that play our unconscious fear and desires like so many harpstrings. We like to flatter ourselves. How about we take a hard look at ourselves once in a while? What are we afraid of? __________________ create evolution

04-02-2010, 06:31 AM	#40 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	There is a sentiment that Philip Pullman recently expressed that I want to fit to this situation: Nobody has the right to live without being offended. You have every right to avoid the things that offend you by not partaking of them, but you have no right to force them not to exist. Also, I want to point out 3 more things: 1. A vast majority of Japanese hentai involves rape or emotional resistance to sex. As ratbastid has pointed out, this permeates their culture. 2. Japan has about a 30 times lower rape-per-capita rate than the US. 3. The above statistic should be handled with caution, as fewer things are classified as rape in Japan. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]