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Kick Ass Kunoichi
Location: Oregon
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Does this trailer bother you?
So, for quite a while now, movie studios have been releasing "red-band" trailers over the Internet. Red-band trailers are R-rated trailers for R-rated movies; they typically require online viewers to enter in age verification information.
The New York Times this morning had an article about a new controversy springing up around red-band trailers, especially ones for the new movie "Kick-Ass": Quote:
You can find another here: KICKASS WIDGET Family values groups are arguing that these trailers proliferate on sharing sites where there are no age checks, allowing children and teens easy access to seeing a red-band trailer, and thus movie studios shouldn't produce red-band trailers. I guess what surprised me is how little I am bothered by this trailer. Sure, there is bad language in the red-band trailers for this movie, but if parents are doing their jobs, why do we need to restrict access to these trailers? I don't see why the movie industry should have to do the job that parents are supposed to do; if parents have a problem with it, then it is up to them to police it. As I see it, parents should already be supervising their children on the Internet. That said, I doubt my parents would have worried too much about me seeing something like this ![]() Are you bothered by this trailer? What kind of conversation would you have with your own children (real or imagined) about such a topic?
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Confused Adult
Location: Spokane, WA
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that's just real. not the conservative fingers in the ears version of life that some people try to strive for *shrug*
that said, it made me want to watch it. I think this is more offensive The Human Centipede (First Sequence) (2009) - Synopsis You can google some clips but it made my toes curl. |
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We work alone
Location: Cake Town
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Doesn't bother me at all. I've been watching R rated movies since as long as I can remember (since before I was 10), even with parents watching them with me. I just knew that it was just a movie and hearing a "bad word" didn't give me any freedom to say it, unless I was around friends...
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Lover - Protector - Teacher
Location: Seattle, WA
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I guess these family groups don't know about the *rest* of the Internet, where you can get hardcore pornography with not so much as as "I agree" to the "must be 18" dialog. Hell, half of them don't even have that.
So a little girl swearing? Not so bad. If you want to protect your children from those evil evil influences like TV, movies, the Internet then here's an idea. BE A FUCKING PARENT AND DON'T LET THEM GET ON THE INTERNET AT ALL UNSUPERVISED UNTIL YOU TRUST THEM TO DO SO RESPONSIBILITY. Mommy and Daddy probably have far more traumatizing things hidden in the 'parents bedroom.' Keep them out of where they shouldn't be, not change the places they shouldn't be to fit them.
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I Confess a Shiver
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I guess my issue is the ADHD erosion of the entertainment world to the point where we have use tits 'n gore in 30-second slots to sell a movie.
I don't wanna be an prude, but shouldn't the brand-name actors, plot and a few choice one-liners be enough? This is very '70s 'ploitation-style. ... You mean a 12 gauge? |
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We work alone
Location: Cake Town
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What was exploitation then is the norm now.
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Mine is an evil laugh
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Am I concerned this is on the Internet? no.
Would I like my children to see it, at their current age? no. Am I concerned in any way that they are even remotely likely to see that trailer? no. Do I want to see the movie? yes. I remember seeing Platoon with my parents - pretty quiet ride home in the car afterwards - that had too much swearing for my mum ![]()
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More Than You Expect
Location: Queens
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Smaller than my penis?
I saw the green band preview for Kick Ass when I saw Avatar and it did a really poor job of making clear what was to be expected from the movie. I can understand why these red band previews shouldn't be shown in theaters or for films under an R rating but the red band preview for Kick Ass not only did a much better job of making clear what could be expected from the movie, it's convinced me that I'd probably enjoy it after a few drinks. I'll probably see it.
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Location: Canada
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It looks like a mildly amusing film. The fact that the film itself seemingly contains a large degree of mature humour and content would seem to make a trailer containing mature content appropriate.
Then again, I'm not bothered by language in general. Words have power we give them, and no more or less than that. I find nothing offensive about a little girl saying the word 'cock,' and might've been annoyed if they'd neutered the joke for the sake of appeasement. Get it? Neutered? I slay me.
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Groovy Hipster Nerd
Location: Michigan
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The trailer does not bother me and I am most likely going to end up watching the movie just because I enjoyed the trailer. If I lived closer to my 15 year old niece, I would probably take her to the film just because she has been watching R films since she was probably between 8-10 and already hears this type of language and humor from her high school class mates.
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Getting it.
Super Moderator
Location: Lion City
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Aren't there more important things for people to be doing that worrying about this kind of thing?
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has all her shots.
Location: Florida
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I didn't watch the trailer, but I really don't need to. Like Manic alluded to, there's nothing wrong with allowing people to know what to expect when they are purchasing a product. To tap dance around it is more of an offense to consumers than making it plain.
Plus, like snowy said, children should be taught to distinguish the differences between fiction and reality and the nuances of appropriate behavior from their parents. Sight unseen I would let my 10 year old watch the trailer without a shred of fear that she would pick up a gun and go all guttermouth at school the next day. It just doesn't happen that way.
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#15 (permalink) |
I Confess a Shiver
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![]() I'm diggin' the circle jerk of middle class white people going "We All Know Better" in here. It makes righteous squishy noises. How easily they forget the rest of the world. Totally glad we police ourselves so well. Family values and all that. Responsibility. ... We shouldn't protect our kids from anything. We'll just explain that it's fantasy. They'll be okay. Last edited by Plan9; 02-24-2010 at 07:29 PM.. |
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Minion of Joss
Location: The Windy City
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A 13-year old kid with a pistol who says "cock?" This is what's making a stir??
First of all, anyone who thinks young kids don't curse like hung over sailors fighting each other in the dark has clearly never spent time with young kids. My students can even impress me with their ability to cuss a blue streak, and I can self-conjugate the word "fuck" about as thoroughly as anyone I know. Gun? Meh. At least this is in a superhero movie, being used by a nominal hero in pursuit of nominal justice. I'd be more concerned about the 13-year old who spends six hours a day playing GTA, blowing away dealers and whores for the extra score. But there's no real sense getting anybody's knickers in a twist over an R-rated movie. Frankly, as far as I can see, if one's kid's vices are limited to R-rated movies, that's a miracle and a blessing.
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Are you bothered by this trailer?
No. Im looking forward to seeing the movie with a brewski in hand. What kind of conversation would you have with your own children (real or imagined) about such a topic? Im not sure I would start any conversation with a young child over this, even if I knew they had seen it. If they started one, I would answer any questions and throw in some social learning and some humor. If the child were adult, I might learn something from them and i know it would be humorous.
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has all her shots.
Location: Florida
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oh, so it's non middle-class white people who can't distinguish fiction from reality or raise their kids right?
sheesh...nice.
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has all her shots.
Location: Florida
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do I fear what effect a movie trailer or any other form of entertainment is going to have on the 'rest of the world' (whomever they may be)? no. but I am not of the mind that popular culture drives society but rather reflects it. if your concern is that 'we can do better,' then fretting over a symptom of what you believe is wrong is like throwing a bucket of water on a raging house fire.
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#24 (permalink) |
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wait.. so Plan, you're in here talking about parenting.. why?
You don't have kids, you don't WANT kids, yet you want to jump on the parents are stupid bandwagon. Get a grip. Film trailers are supposed to create buzz about a film. It's supposed to show you what the film is about. Imagine if the creators of the trailer had left out all the "indecent" stuff. People would be taking their kids to see a film and then screaming about how the trailer didn't portray what was going to be in the film. People just want to have something to bitch about to help their poor pathetic lives seem a bit easier. |
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#25 (permalink) |
I Confess a Shiver
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So... you'd take your young kids to an R-rated film called "Kick Ass" without reading online reviews?
... Ooo, I was unaware you were more qualified than I to be a parent. I guess you got the manual or something? ... I'm mostly playing devil's advocate in this thread... I grew up watching Terminator 2 and Predator. What I don't like is how callus society is becoming to this type of thing regarding their younger kids. Kids are sponges. It's not "normal" to have a X year old blasting hookers in GTA after school. I think we can do better. I know we're all highbrow motherfuckers IRL, but c'mon... let's at least play the part here occasionally. Last edited by Plan9; 02-25-2010 at 07:21 AM.. |
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Yes kids are sponges, I'm agreeing with you in that sense, but there are a lot of dumb parents out there who think that a green tape trailer is going to save the world and then those dumb parents will think it's ok to send little susan off to the movies.
I am more qualified to be a parent, for the singular fact that I have kids. Everyone thinks they know how to be a parent until that kid comes along.. let me tell you, it's a whole new ballgame when it actually happens. |
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#27 (permalink) |
I Confess a Shiver
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Well, that logic suggests that the best place to train a football team is at the Superbowl.
"I've got a kid, I'm a parent." What a paradox. Very chicken and egg, too. ... I honestly don't care about the OP or the trailer, I was more intrigued by the "parenting" responses here. Let me apologize for my excessive hatewhiteyitude. Ugh, it randomly flares up like TheJazz's hemorrhoids. Last edited by Plan9; 02-25-2010 at 07:43 AM.. |
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I change
Location: USA
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I am of the opinion that culture drives society and not the other way around.
We are not as free as we would like to believe we are. Big-corporate marketing has made us who we are. To think otherwise if to unduly flatter ourselves. It would be way cooler if we were as free as we think we are - even in our own minds. It just doesn't look that way...
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I Confess a Shiver
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Pickles
Location: Shirt and Pants (NJ)
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The only thing that bothers me about this is that I'm watching a trailer for what seems to be a really badass movie and not the actual movie itself.
Living in New Jersey I can't really say the swearing of anyone of any age bothers me as people here (myself included) use the word "fuck" as often as the word "the."
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has all her shots.
Location: Florida
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Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce |
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I change
Location: USA
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To clarify, mixedmedia, I think what culture does is reveal the specific forms of programming that are being promulgated via existing power structures. In that sense, it reflects something about us. But because it also constitutes the actual programming itself, it is the means by which existing control structures exercise power over individual consciousness and identity. I see this as especially true for what is often referred to as "youth culture," "popular culture," "alternative culture," and so forth - as these are the most virulently powerful sets of memes used to control and nullify potentially free-thinking individuals.
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Location: Near Raleigh, NC
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warrior bodhisattva
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Location: East-central Canada
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I think the example of Kick-Ass was a good one.
It opens today, and the advance reviews are coming in. I'm intrigued because it's getting positive reviews (even in the Globe and Mail of all places ![]() What's most interesting to me at this point is that Roger Ebert found it "morally reprehensible." Metacritic gauged his review with a 25 out of 100. ![]()
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