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Old 03-25-2010, 01:08 PM   #41 (permalink)
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my son is in his second year of an engineering degree (biomedical) the tuition is $7,100 per year. The books work out to about $1800.

It's not cheap, but it's not crazy expensive either. Plus the school is in downtown Toronto.

He just applied to Home Depot last month for a job, which came through today. It took him 3 interviews (for a retail job???) plus references plus a 2 followup calls to land it. Unfortunately, it is minimum wage ($10/hr or so) but he should be able to save up for next term.
Interesting - I'm looking for 2'nd and 3'rd year Civil Engineering Students - but we pay $16.00 an hour. (I thought that that might be a bit low. I guess not.)
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Old 03-25-2010, 02:20 PM   #42 (permalink)
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James, it's not low, but it's certainly not spectacular either. I would expect that for any B.Sc. student in either a technical or professional summer position.
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Old 03-26-2010, 10:55 AM   #43 (permalink)
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And james, I kinda follow ... but my work will not be done UNLESS I am paid, by the fuckin' hour. I work a menial manual labor job. I can find another if you don't pay me. Otherwise I am wasting my time.

What you described is compensation. The trip, the free rental cars, the traveling, that's compensation any way you look at it (not to mention fucking glamorous!! Jealous!).
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Old 03-27-2010, 05:37 AM   #44 (permalink)
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And james, I kinda follow ... but my work will not be done UNLESS I am paid, by the fuckin' hour. I work a menial manual labor job. I can find another if you don't pay me. Otherwise I am wasting my time.

What you described is compensation. The trip, the free rental cars, the traveling, that's compensation any way you look at it (not to mention fucking glamorous!! Jealous!).
I hear you. And I can distinguish between muscle jobs and career jobs. (And muscle jobs need not necessarily be manual labour jobs.)

If you're working a professional job, then you have to expect to put in more hours. I worked 20 years in the consulting Engineering industry. Everything is timesheet based. You win a project, you start working on it, you start billing time. The one HUGE problem that I used to have where I used to work was the billing of hours. The policy was that if I worked 60 hours a week on a project, I was to show 60 hours on my timesheet. The MASSIVE corporation I used to work for would then issue an invoice to the client for 60 hours BUT, they would only pay me for 40 hours. (The way that it worked was that we would bill at 2.6 times hourly salary. So if they paid me $50.00 an hour, the client was billed $50 x 2.6 = $130 per hour.) The scam came in when they would bill the client 60 hours x $130 per hour, but they would ONLY pay me for 40 hours.

Then it gets EVEN BETTER.

Say at the end of the job, you've billed 600 hours. 400 they've actually paid you for and 200 they've kept the entire amount received from the client.

Now say the budget was 500 hours.

The Bean Counters come to you and tell you that you are 100 hours over budget and "what are you going to do about it" (I'm fucking serious here.) And you say, well, you're still up by 100 hours because you've only paid me for 400 hours, so I'm 100 hours UNDER budget.

They look at you like you're on crack.

The answer is that you need to go back to your client and somehow get 100 more hours out of them because there were "scope changes" (which usually there was.)

That my friend is bullshit.

So what I used to do was work say 60 hours a week on a project, but only bill 40. That way, buy the end of the job, I'd be 100 hours (using the same example above) UNDER budget. I then had 100 hours to play with and I would either not bill the client, or take a couple of days off and bill the job. I just got sick and tired of dealing with fucking accountants and their twisted world of what adds up and what doesn't.

As to travelling for work being a perk, trust me, it isn't. It's fucking terrible and I HATE it. I've seen the inside of more Comfort Inns and Travel Lodges than I care to remember. Renting a car is just renting a car, A to B. A "shitbox" as I call them. Sure, sometimes you're in Downtown Montreal and you stay at the Le Germain (fantastic Hotel) or your rent a Lincoln Navigator for a laugh, but you're still not where you want to be. You're not home, and even when you're done working, you're still working. There's no romance in it.

I used to travel like mad from 99 to 2005. I used to travel for 1 day to get where I needed to be, work 10 days straight - typically 6 a.m. to 6 or 7 p.m., and typically moving locations every 1 or 2 days, then travel home. 12 straight days. I'd be home for 10 days, then the cycle would repeat. That went on for 6 or 7 months of the year. It wears on you. It's exhausting, you live out of a suit case. It destroys relationships.

I'd come home and the lawn would be 2 feet high, or dead, the mailbox was jammed with post to take care of, all those things that people scatch off their list on a day to day basis are now a mountain of things that need to be addressed. It would take 2 to 3 days just to get back on track. Meanwhile, I'm back in the office because there are the other jobs that I was working on that needed desperate attention with little or no time off. In those cases I had to bill the client full pop because he needed to bill and there was no time to take any time off anyway. Then, 10 days after I got home, I was on a plane again. More motels and more shit food. (It was always great when you were in a town with a decent restaurant. When you're on the road in Quebec allot (as I was and still am) you learn, "when in doubt, order the club sandwich, or the pizza. Two things that are hard to screw up. Never ever order the Pasta, never go to a Chinese Restaurant (cause there are no Chinese people in Quebec), and never order a hamburger (cause it will be a sawdust burger).

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Old 04-05-2010, 12:42 PM   #45 (permalink)
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... never go to a Chinese Restaurant (cause there are no Chinese people in Quebec)
I can't believe I'm just reading this. Well said kirk. It certainly puts some things into perspective. It also places internships to mind.

I recently read this article ...

Unpaid Internships May Be Illegal
The number of unpaid internships has climbed in recent years, leading officials to worry that employers are illegally using interns for free labor.   click to show 


>>LINK<<

and immediately thought of this thread. I'm kind of afraid internships will disappear or be less and less if companies are forced to pay people who intern. They might otherwise have some sort of "volunteer" contract signed in exchange for the experience gained whilst in the company's employ.

On the other hand, perhaps it might be a good thing to end the "X years experience required" minimums.
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Old 04-05-2010, 02:35 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Sorry to bring this back on topic but . . . . Man, I wish I had a job to bitch about. I guarantee you one thing - when it finally happens, you will never hear the phrase "Thank God it's Friday" pass my lips again.

(James - I loved your post, though! I hated going into the Director of Operation's office to present a budget, invariably to be told, "Triple it" I always thought there had to be a better way to treat your best clients than to constantly overcharge them.)
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Old 04-20-2010, 12:26 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Ok...I fully understand that it is the Red-headed stepchild of Criminal Justice related fields, but seriously, take a look into Corrections. I know... But seriously, I really didn't know and I've been in the field for 4 years now and I honestly love my job. Once you get in, and put a little time in there are a lot of different opportunities available, or you might just end up loving what you do. Just a thought...
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Old 04-22-2010, 08:18 AM   #48 (permalink)
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I just got done reading yet another soul crushing email that informed me that they have hired someone else instead of me.

A little background is in order though I suppose...I have a Bachelor's and a Master's Degree in Criminal Justice. I earned extremely good grades throughout my academic career (3.55 GPA in undergrad, 3.97 GPA in graduate school.) I worked as a graduate assistant at a top tier research school, and yet I can't land an entry level job in my field anywhere in the US.

Every interview I go to, they are interviewing at least 6 other people, and most of them are older with more actual experience in the field than me (but less education). How am I supposed to compete with people that have 10+ years of experience as a counselor, or a probation officer? I've got a great education, but I've yet to interview at a place where that held the same weight as an equivalent amount of work experience.

I'm really starting to become cynical about the whole process, granted I've only been looking for 5 months, but that seems like a long time to look for a job and find nothing. It's very tough getting rejected by companies over and over again.

Just to make ends meet I've taken a job as a waiter at a local restaurant. It's not as if I think I'm above waiting tables, but it is a bit frustrating to have spent so much time in college, and really have nothing to show for it other than 2 pieces of paper and a lot of seemingly useless knowledge.

I want to make a difference in the Criminal Justice system, either through being a probation officer, a pre-trail officer, or a youth counselor or just a counselor in general, but I can't seem to find a place where I can do that.

So, other than a big rant, I guess I'm asking the TFP for a bit of advice on what to do/how to improve my chances. Any advice would be great.

Thanks in advance ^_^.

Homie, welcome to a bad economy..

When there are 500 fish that need food, but only enough food to feed 10 of them.

Next time you may want to poison the competition, because you're going to lose every time when you play by the books these days. This is Earth, as you'll recall... It aint an easy world to live on.. Just look at the ground from time to time, and witness all of the critters eating other living critters. You can almost hear the devouree saying, "NO, PLEASE NO! STOP PLEASE! I DON'T WANT TO GO!", but the devourer keeps on munching away. Itty bitty, excruciating piece by piece.

This world wasn't built to give you a break. It was built to try you. In all probability you will fail. It is only those who are most opportunistic that make it.

My advice - Skip the poison, find a beautiful girl who just so happens to be the boss of, or a close friend of the boss of - a place you want to work. Make sweet sweet love to her and then mention that you are hard pressed for a job in her, or her close friends line of work.

Another side effect of this economy is that every retard thinks he's a lawyer, a programmer, a doctor, or whatever else will pay the bills.. They'll apply, too, and may even get hired. They'll go to school for it, etc etc, but really.. What the fuck do they know about what they're doing? They can barely work a TV! Nevertheless, imagine you're alone in a room, and all of a sudden thousands upon thousands of people start asking for your attention. How do you divide your attention amongst thousands of people?

YOU DON'T!
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Old 05-03-2010, 05:49 AM   #49 (permalink)
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Now it's my turn to cry over looking for a job!

Not only do I live in the "Rust Belt of the U.S.A", which is northeast Ohio....I'm over 50 AND I have a B.A. in Art. When I lived in the Bay Area of San Francisco, California -- there were plenty of jobs to be found (or temp at).

Here there is NADA!!

Hmmmm....been off work for 3 weeks and it's already looking brutal out there!!!
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