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Old 12-15-2009, 07:48 AM   #41 (permalink)
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hmm I've never thought about the double jeopardy thing like that before.. it makes sense.

I'm glad this cop was fired, but as the attorney said, it doesn't change the real issue at hand one bit. This cop needs to be put in front of a jury.
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Old 12-15-2009, 10:41 AM   #42 (permalink)
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I agree

I already get pissed every time I see a cop going way over the speed limit when their lights are not on - I'm sure they are sometimes going somewhere important, but not all the time.

95% of the time when I'm driving and I see a HP in my lane, they are passing me, usually at a high rate of speed.

They like to be able to do whatever they want to do on the road, just because they are cops, and in this case, it cost somebody their life.
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Old 12-15-2009, 12:31 PM   #43 (permalink)
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I agree

I already get pissed every time I see a cop going way over the speed limit when their lights are not on - I'm sure they are sometimes going somewhere important, but not all the time.

95% of the time when I'm driving and I see a HP in my lane, they are passing me, usually at a high rate of speed.

They like to be able to do whatever they want to do on the road, just because they are cops, and in this case, it cost somebody their life.
I watched local cops screaming out their windows to each other and flooring it through red lights right at shift change time once. Good thing I had looked before stepping out into the crosswalk.

This is a pretty clear case of wrongdoing, but the media survive off sensational stories and it can throw off our perception. I know plenty of cops and they're good people, and it would be great to see them out there doing good on TV and in the paper, but it doesn't sell very well because "Man is polite to officer during traffic stop, gets off with warning and promises to keep an eye on his speed" isn't particularly exciting.
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Old 12-15-2009, 12:55 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Thanks for posting the outcome, mate. Glad to see some justice served...now, the -real- test will be to see if this piece of work gets hired at another PD.
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Old 12-15-2009, 01:10 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Really? Because I've yet to see any of these incidents resolve in any way other than:

1: Cop fucks something (or someone) up. (For example shoots a homeowner in the back while homeowner holds robber at gunpoint and, beats up a waitress for refusing to serve him another drink, shoots handcuffed unarmed suspect who's secured in a patrol car, blows up/burns down a major residential neighborhood.)
2: Cop and his co-workers attempt to cover up the upfuckerry. Other cops pitch Major Union Bitch that anyone is daring to question anything they ever do.
3: Cop is placed on "Paid suspension" while an "investigation" takes place.
4: "Investigation" finds that cop "acted within procedures" or some other such Newspeak.
5: Cop is reinstated, frequently given a raise.

The above article is literally the first time I've heard of any cop, anywhere, looking at serious sanction for killing somebody. Prior to this the worst I've heard of is the thug/thugette "taking early retirement" only to be hired at another Cop Shop a few miles down the road, where they do whatever-it-was (this seems a particular problem with sexual assault/rape) all over again. If there actually are more incidents wherein up-fucking cops lose their jobs (or suffer any serious sanction whatsoever, it would do my heart good to read about them.
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And you're right, it's not newsworthy, so nobody hears about how often it occurs (which is often).
You don't hear about it because it never makes the news.
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Old 12-15-2009, 07:13 PM   #46 (permalink)
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It depends heavily on the state you're in for how things are handled and the quality of police officers (cities too) you may have. Here for instance you can be fired for being late one too many times, even showing up only a few minutes late will go on your permanent file.
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Old 12-16-2009, 03:44 AM   #47 (permalink)
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I wish there were more articles about when the police screw up and DO get fired with no questions asked. But that's not interesting so it doesn't make it on the news.
There was.

Injustice Everywhere

but seems that they've lost their funding. not enough people were interested in police misconduct.
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Old 12-16-2009, 05:57 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Thanks for posting the outcome, mate. Glad to see some justice served...now, the -real- test will be to see if this piece of work gets hired at another PD.
Funny you should ask that... see the 4th paragraph.
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By Frank Juliano
STAFF WRITER
Updated: 12/15/2009 11:11:57 PM EST

MILFORD -- Being fired by the Milford police for driving recklessly in a crash that killed two people would not by itself keep Jason Anderson -- or any other officer in the same circumstances -- from being hired by another department.

Municipal police officers are certified by the state through the Police Officer Standards and Training program. The Meriden agency, headed by former Milford Chief Tom Flaherty, runs the training academy used by several area communities, including Milford.

Speaking in general terms and not about Anderson in particular, Sgt. Vaughan Dumas, a Milford Police Department spokesman, said that it would be up to each department whether to hire an officer fired somewhere else, and up to the POST program whether to certify the officer.

Police officers may not have felony records, so Anderson would have to be exonerated of the charges that he faces in the deaths of Ashlie Krakowski and David Servin, both 19, before he would be allowed to resume his law enforcement career.

Anderson was fired by the Board of Police Commissioners on Monday night for violating departmental policy, specifically the requirement that officers obey all traffic laws when not responding to an emergency.

State Police say that Anderson was traveling 94 mph when his cruiser broadsided the car carrying Servin and Krakowski early in the morning of June 13 on the Boston Post Road.

The commissioners Monday night also suspended another officer, Richard Pisani, for 30 days without pay in connection with the incident, and extended Pisani's probationary period, due to end in February, for another year.

But if Pisani completes his term as a probationary officer and joins the regular force, the incident will have no impact on his future police career, officials said.

Anderson and Pisani were heading back to Milford from a mutual-aid call in West Haven on the night of the accident. A video camera installed in Pisani's cruiser recorded both officers speeding far above the posted limit of 40 mph. Pisani accelerated up to 72 mph and was driving at about 65 when Anderson barreled passed him on the right, shortly before crashing into the teens.

Police officials said that probationary officers are closely supervised in the field and their performance is reviewed monthly. But Milford officials would not say who was supervising Pisani on the morning of the double-fatal crash.

Sgt. Richard Anderson, Jason Anderson's brother, was the first Milford officer at the scene of the crash, at the intersection of the Boston Post Road and Dogwood Road in Orange.

Jason Anderson, charged with two counts of second-degree manslaughter and reckless driving, is free on $250,000 bond and is next scheduled to appear Jan. 13 in state Superior Court in Milford. Pisani does not face criminal charges.

Commissioners went to unusual lengths Monday night to conduct the disciplinary hearings without any taint of questionable procedures. Chairman Carleton Giles, a Norwalk police officer, recused himself, citing his professional contact with police union officials.

A full page of "ground rules'' for covering the public portions of the hearing were given to the media, and none of the commissioners took questions afterward.

Chief Keith Mello read a prepared statement and the department's spokesman relayed his answers to written questions from reporters.

Several times officers said that the measures were being taken because of "potential litigation," but would not say whether they thought Anderson or Pisani might seek to overturn the actions taken against them. Lawyers for the families of the teens have filed notices of intent to sue the city and the Police Department.

Eric Brown, the legal counsel for the Connecticut Association of Police Unions, Council 15, did not return a reporter's phone call Tuesday.
The Anderson file n Jason Anderson, 34, was a Milford police officer for five years. n Prior to that, he had been a member of the Darien police force. n He had two minor motor vehicle accidents before the June 13 crash in Orange that killed two teens. Both occurred while he was backing a police cruiser into a parking space. n Anderson was commended for individual bravery and received five unit citations, a service award presented by the Board of Police Commissioners. n He had one civilian complaint on his personnel record, but the complaint of conduct unbecoming an officer was not sustained after an internal investigation. n Anderson had been on paid administrative leave since his arrest on Nov. 10. n He had returned to work in late summer, on light duty, as he recovered from a chest injury in the crash. n Anderson worked the 3 to 11 p.m. shift and was a member of the department's special tactical unit. He earned a base salary of $57,144.
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Old 04-27-2010, 11:16 AM   #49 (permalink)
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On-duty crash killed two teens

Updated: Tuesday, 27 Apr 2010, 12:57 PM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 27 Apr 2010, 11:11 AM EDT

Milford, Conn. (WTNH) - A former Milford police officer pled not guilty to manslaughter charges following an on-duty crash that killed two teenagers.

A dashboard camera showed Jason Anderson's police cruiser speeding down the Boston Post Road in Orange and colliding with another car back in June of 2009. He was not responding to a call and he did not have his lights or siren on.

Dave Servin and Ashlie Krakowski, both 19-years old and from Orange, were killed.

Anderson's case was continued until June. The defense has hired an independent researcher to reconstruct the accident.

"These things generally take a little longer than ordinary criminal cases because it's so complicated and the state police, for instance, in their accident reconstruction of the case before the arrest took about five months," said Anderson's attorney, Hugh Keefe.

Anderson was fired from the force in December.
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:07 PM   #50 (permalink)
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wow.

buying time with the independent researcher bit.

I hope this guy gets prison time.
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Old 09-29-2010, 07:48 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Glory is gone, so, does anyone else still care about this case? I can continue to post updates, if even one person asks.
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Old 09-29-2010, 08:11 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Old 09-29-2010, 08:15 AM   #53 (permalink)
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And where did that old cuffer Gucci go? Polishing knobs in Thailand for $20s or what?
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Old 09-29-2010, 08:27 AM   #54 (permalink)
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Milford cop suspended for erasure of dashboard video
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Published: 12:03 a.m., Tuesday, September 28, 2010

Milford cop suspended for erasure of dashboard video - Connecticut Post

MILFORD -- A police lieutenant was suspended for one day without pay for inadvertently ordering the destruction of thousands of hours of dashboard video sought by the family of one of the two teens killed when a speeding Milford police cruiser slammed into their car.

Police Chief Keith Mello said Monday afternoon that he suspended Lt. Dan Bothwell, who is in charge of the Records Division, in the incident. The video was the subject of a Freedom of Information request by lawyer Bart Halloran, who said that he hoped to use it to establish a pattern of Milford police officers using excessive speed on routine business.

"I am furious, absolutely outraged at this," Halloran said Monday night. "We will be pursuing every legal remedy available to us for destruction of evidence."

Halloran represents the parents of David Servin, who was killed June 13, 2009, along with his girlfriend, Ashlie Krakowski. The two, both 19, were returning to Servin's home in Orange when their car was hit broadside by a Milford cruiser driven by Officer Jason Anderson.

Anderson's speed was estimated at more than 90 mph in the moments before the crash on the Boston Post Road. He was fired last December and has been charged with two counts of vehicular manslaughter.

Mello said at the time of the crash that Milford police had between 18 and 20 months of footage from dashboard cameras stored on a server. State law requires municipal police departments retain the most recent 30 days of video. The chief said that Milford police were aware of Halloran's FOI request.

The chief stressed that none of the footage of the crash, taken from the Milford cruiser behind Anderson's, and none from the 30-day period that included it, was affected. The deleted material was "non-critical, in-car police video files from 2008 and 2009," he said.

"I disciplined the lieutenant for unintentionally violating an order to retain video files that were being reviewed for possible release under the pending FOI request," Mello said. Bothwell reportedly instructed a Management Information Systems staffer who works in the Parsons Government Center to delete the files. That instruction was in accordance with State Records Retention schedules, but violated Mello's order to retain all existing video files.

"Quite plainly, this should not have happened," the chief said, adding that he called in a computer forensic examiner to try to locate and recover the deleted material. "This accidental lapse is a stark reminder to pay close attention to every detail of our work. This employee has expressed sincere regret for his error." No additional disciplinary action is expected, he said.

The scheduled Oct. 18 hearing before the state Freedom of Information Commission will go forward, Halloran said, "at which time we will seek the maximum penalty the commission can assess." That maximum, officials said, is $1,000 per violation.

"It seems to be one thing after another with the Milford Police Department," Halloran said. "Their apology really helps," he added sarcastically. "It is inconceivable to me that this evidence would have been destroyed if it had been in any way helpful to their case."
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Old 09-29-2010, 07:00 PM   #55 (permalink)
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That's pretty appalling, I've covered people's asses for various reasons, but never for something involving harming anyone else. That's just inexcusable.
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And where did that old cuffer Gucci go? Polishing knobs in Thailand for $20s or what?
Something like that.
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Old 09-30-2010, 12:00 PM   #56 (permalink)
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I'm not surprised at this, even expected it. It's not any different with the Erik Scott case in Costco. LV Metro confiscated the hard drives for the video system after they executed him, then claimed that they couldn't get any footage off the disks because they were damaged.
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Old 10-05-2010, 02:31 PM   #57 (permalink)
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yet another case of favoritism applied to cops.

deputy allowed to fly after gun found in carry on luggage

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DENVER - A Gilpin County Sheriff's deputy was allowed to fly from Denver International Airport Sunday, even after Denver Police confiscated his personal handgun and a loaded magazine from his carry-on luggage.

Lloyd Stace Williams, 38, was flying Sunday morning, when TSA agents found his personal gun and magazine.

Denver Police took Williams into custody and FBI agents interrogated him.

After two hours of questioning, and confiscating the gun, Williams was allowed to rebook his travel plans, according to Department of Homeland Security Spokesman Luis Casanova.

Williams is not facing charges, according to Denver FBI spokesman Dave Joly.

"The FBI investigated this matter and consulted with the United States Attorney's Office, which declined prosecution," Joly said in an emailed statement.

Jeff Dorschner, a spokesman with the U.S. Attorney's Office in Denver declined comment.
But i'm sure that the DOJ is always fair and equal and would not charge anyone else for their forgetfulness, right?

What? That-doesn't-apply-to-us?
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