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SecretMethod70 11-12-2009 03:22 PM

Plan9: you realize you can delete anything you don't want and untag yourself from photos, right? It's really not that hard to manage your Facebook identity. Granted, having friends who respect that identity does go a long way, and is luckily something I don't have to worry much about.

Plan9 11-12-2009 03:29 PM

Yeah, I can delete a perpetual tide of bullshit and monitor every little thing my associates do.

Heh, I don't know about the rest of you, but that's how I like to spend my free time.

Oh well, turns out my friends are generally total douchenozzles on the Intarwebz.

/sarcasm

...

I'm not trying to be a huge Debbie Downer about Facebook, just playing Devil's advocate, really.

Facebook is not for me at this point in my life based on the career choice I've made.

I'm also an uptight bastard that's seen how easy it is to get scroo'd via Intarwebz.

Anybody who's naive about the issues should take an entry level privacy law class.

SecretMethod70 11-12-2009 03:48 PM

Anyone who is reasonably tech savvy doesn't have much to worry about. If you're like one of my cousins, on the other hand, who posted last night about how she was surprised to find out Google Chrome keeps a history of every website she ever visits (you know, just like every browser ever), then you're probably not doing all you can or should to use Facebook properly.

savmesom11 11-12-2009 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plan9 (Post 2727046)
I'm... I'm a Facebook Fundamentalist! Oh, the horror

What a shame....


I was lucky enough to have joined facebook in time for me to be found by my father's family as he was passing from a horrific 8 month long battle with cancer.

I also have ran into several old friends who I did care to see again and have truly enjoyed reuniting with. I would say that as with anything - you get what you put into it. Many people that are over-the-top FB haters seem to have not evolved beyond their awkward high school existence and therefore find it necessary to announce to the world that they are in fact 'too cool' for FB. Give people the benefit of the doubt....I mean are you the same person you were in high school?

SecretMethod70 11-12-2009 05:59 PM

Indeed, I've discovered that I have a TON in common with some people I barely even knew in HS.

Plan9 11-12-2009 08:41 PM

This thread has helped me realize that I don't really care for people all that much.

I'm just never going to be a priest, shrink, or talk show host.

Ace_O_Spades 11-13-2009 03:22 AM

Am I on facebook? Yes.

Can you find me on facebook? No.

IF you found me on facebook, could you see my profile, add me, or even message me? No. My friends can't even see my tagged photos, only my profile pics.

I have ~50 friends on facebook, all of which are people I interact with on a regular basis.

wooÐs 11-13-2009 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by savmesom11 (Post 2728184)
Many people that are over-the-top FB haters seem to have not evolved beyond their awkward high school existence and therefore find it necessary to announce to the world that they are in fact 'too cool' for FB.

I'm glad you said 'many' and not 'all.' Because that would be a huge, steaming load of judgmental donkey crap.

Plan9 11-13-2009 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by savmesom11 (Post 2728184)
Many people that are over-the-top FB haters seem to have not evolved beyond their awkward high school existence and therefore find it necessary to announce to the world that they are in fact 'too cool' for FB. Give people the benefit of the doubt....I mean are you the same person you were in high school?

Did you just read what you wrote? It's funny.

...

God forbid they have anything else to do with their time, right? Your self-righteous reverse cool is showing.

Glory's Sun 11-13-2009 09:03 AM

for the record, I am, in fact, far too cool for facebook.

Shauk 11-13-2009 09:03 AM

learn to compartmentalize the parts you want made public vs those you want private


my public page
Shauk | Facebook

my private page
http://www.facebook.com/Shauk

you're not going to see much besides "page not found" on the 2nd one unless I know you.

People don't find me, I find them, lol.

LordEden 11-13-2009 09:08 AM

I just hate facebook and myspace. No real reason, just think they are a huge waste of time and I could less what some douchebag from HS scored on farmville.

There are better places to waste time at than Faceyspacy.

wooÐs 11-13-2009 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guccilvr (Post 2728396)
for the record, I am, in fact, far too cool for facebook.

Pft.

You so need to evolve.

BogeyDope 11-13-2009 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shauk (Post 2728397)
my public page
Shauk | Facebook

I became a fan!

Glory's Sun 11-13-2009 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wooÐs (Post 2728487)
Pft.

You so need to evolve.


into what exactly? A narcissistic wanna-be who wants everyone to know how important they are by constantly updating status and pictures?

I think I'll stay right where I'm at. thanks.

Xerxys 11-13-2009 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guccilvr (Post 2728490)
... I think I'll stay right where I'm at. thanks.

Gucci, what are you saying? Are you saying that right now you already aren't a "narcissistic wanna-be" already?

Glory's Sun 11-13-2009 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xerxys (Post 2728494)
Gucci, what are you saying? Are you saying that right now you already aren't a "narcissistic wanna-be" already?

I'm a narcissistic BE. not a wanna-be.

:D

Baraka_Guru 11-13-2009 01:56 PM

How do we separate the narcissistic wannabes from those who simply like to share?

Does that make TFPers narcissistic wannabes?

wooÐs 11-13-2009 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by savmesom11 (Post 2728184)
Many people that are over-the-top FB haters seem to have not evolved beyond their awkward high school existence...

Quote:

Originally Posted by wooÐs (Post 2728487)
Pft.

You so need to evolve.

[/sarcasm]
Quote:

Originally Posted by guccilvr (Post 2728490)
into what exactly? A narcissistic wanna-be who wants everyone to know how important they are by constantly updating status and pictures?

I think I'll stay right where I'm at. thanks.


SecretMethod70 11-13-2009 02:12 PM

Generalizations make baby jesus sad.

Shauk 11-13-2009 02:14 PM

I think you've confused facebook for twitter.

---------- Post added at 02:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:13 PM ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by BogeyDope (Post 2728489)
I became a fan!



haha, thanks.

Glory's Sun 11-13-2009 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SecretMethod70 (Post 2728512)
Generalizations make baby jesus sad.

awww poor baby!

essendoubleop 11-27-2009 06:10 PM

Okay, so long story short, I ended up joining Facebook and had someone who I knew from high school contact me. I have had NO contact with this person whatsoever for about 7 years, but I heard through friends that she had cancer. Anyways, right off the bat, she posts on my wall and wants to know how I'm doing and such, but the same day, she goes into remission with her cancer. Yeah I know, its sucks and I feel sorry for her, I have a family member going through cancer too and it's tough, but for all I know, she's another sad statistic for cancer, not a person close to me that I would feel empathic for. I haven't responded yet because I don't really know what to say. This was not one of the negatives I foresaw when I was debating whether or not to re-open my profile, but what would you do in my situation?

Shauk 12-02-2009 06:39 AM

Facebook profiles capture true personality, according to new psychology research

so in essence, people who hate facebook, hate themselves, or at least, hate the fact that they're no longer really hiding behind a screen persona.

Cynthetiq 12-02-2009 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shauk (Post 2735299)
Facebook profiles capture true personality, according to new psychology research

so in essence, people who hate facebook, hate themselves, or at least, hate the fact that they're no longer really hiding behind a screen persona.

too interesting to not put up the article in case it disappears...

Quote:

Contact: Michelle Bryant
mbryant@austin.utexas.edu
512-232-4730
University of Texas at Austin
Facebook profiles capture true personality, according to new psychology research

Online social networks such as Facebook are being used to express and communicate real personality, instead of an idealized virtual identity, according to new research from psychologist Sam Gosling at The University of Texas at Austin.

"I was surprised by the findings because the widely held assumption is that people are using their profiles to promote an enhanced impression of themselves," says Gosling of the more than 700 million people worldwide who have online profiles. "In fact, our findings suggest that online social networking profiles convey rather accurate images of the profile owners, either because people aren't trying to look good or because they are trying and failing to pull it off.

"These findings suggest that online social networks are not so much about providing positive spin for the profile owners," he adds, "but are instead just another medium for engaging in genuine social interactions, much like the telephone."

Gosling and a team of researchers collected 236 profiles of college-aged people from the United States (Facebook) and Germany (StudiVZ, SchuelerVZ). The researchers used questionnaires to assess the profile owners' actual personality characteristics as well as their ideal-personality traits (how they wished to be). The personality traits included: extraversion, agreeableness, conscientiousness, neuroticism and openness.

In the study, observers rated the profiles of people they did not know. These ratings were then compared to the profile owners' actual personality and their ideal-personality. Personality impressions based on online social network profiles were accurate and were not affected by profile owners' self-idealization.

Accuracy was strongest for extraversion — paralleling results of face-to-face encounters — and lowest for neuroticism. Those findings were consistent with previous research showing that neuroticism is difficult to detect without being in person.

"I think that being able to express personality accurately contributes to the popularity of online social networks in two ways," says Gosling. "First, it allows profile owners to let others know who they are and, in doing so, satisfies a basic need to be known by others. Second, it means that profile viewers feel they can trust the information they glean from online social network profiles, building their confidence in the system as a whole."

Gosling recently co-authored a study on how first impressions do matter when it comes to communicating personality through appearance. For his latest personality research, he focuses his attention to personality in relation to online social networks.

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Findings will be published in an upcoming issue of Psychological Science, a journal of the Association for Psychological Science. Researchers include: Gosling and Sam Gaddis (The University of Texas at Austin), Mitja Back, Juliane Stopfer and Boris Egloff (Johannes Gutenberg-University Mainz, Germany), Simine Vazire (Washington University in St. Louis), and Stefan Schmukle (Westfälische Wilhelms-University Münster, Germany).
That's an interesting perspective. I think it has inspired me to post a new topic.

essendoubleop 12-02-2009 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shauk (Post 2735299)
Facebook profiles capture true personality, according to new psychology research

so in essence, people who hate facebook, hate themselves, or at least, hate the fact that they're no longer really hiding behind a screen persona.

That's very interesting, and I suspected as much. Earlier, I wrote a lengthy reply observing how the people who were so adamantly against Facebook shared certain similar qualities while those who were supporting it had another type, but I decided against posting it because I thought it was too raw and potentially hurtful. But I would also guess that those who take Facebook excessively seriously are also hiding behind a certain persona as well. By collecting "friends" I think they are attempting distort their own reality as well, or perhaps display a successful area of their life to make up for other shortcomings.

MoonDog 12-02-2009 02:01 PM

I don't use Facebook too much. Basically:
1) Easily keep in touch with some of my extended family.
2) Monitor my kids Facebook (yes, I am one of those parents :) )
3) Easy discovery point for friends that I have fallen out of touch with, but would very much like to have contact with again.

The legions of people that I have friended, who now bombard me daily with Farmville, Mafia Wars, and other gaming garbage, are pushing me to the edge. I'm almost at the point where I am going to research unfriending people, and send them a message telling them why I did so.

My Facebook is pretty much a sanitized location. Things that are on there would not alarm a potential employer, nor would they shock my parents or in-laws. I do have a link to my LinkedIn page, where my "corporate face" is hosted.

SecretMethod70 12-02-2009 02:45 PM

Moondog: Just click the hide button so you don't see Farmville/Mafia Wars/etc.

I have a hard time understanding all the hate Facebook sometimes gets, because they give users a ton of tools to customize the experience. You don't need to say anything you don't want to see. And they're making it better too: soon, you'll be able to customize who has access to each individual item you post.

nomcat 12-03-2009 02:45 AM

I'm a poker addict, and I reckon the Texas HoldEm app on FB is pretty cool.

Plan9 12-03-2009 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shauk (Post 2735299)
so in essence, people who hate facebook, hate themselves, or at least, hate the fact that they're no longer really hiding behind a screen persona.

Hah! That's rich. Where do you get that from?

...

So opting out of a fad that may prove detrimental to your career means that you hate yourself?

Wanting to spend time doing "IRL" things and not VainSpacing it up means you're a crankypants?

This pop science totally leaves out privacy concerns and 236 Facebookers is hardly a useful sample composition and size.

...

I vaguely remember the Internet before the Web and the thing that impressed me the most was anonymity.

Facebook is hardly different from a personnel database that can be searched by FERPA-style directory information.

...

Interesting perspective. I wonder it what it says about kids in third world countries without computers.

/Facebook Debbie Downer

sapiens 12-03-2009 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plan9 (Post 2735770)
Hah! That's rich. Where do you get that from?

That's a good question. I don't think that Sam Gosling (the author of the study) would make the claim that
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people hate facebook, hate themselves, or at least, hate the fact that they're no longer really hiding behind a screen persona
I don't know how one would get there from reading the study.

Quote:

Wanting to spend time doing "IRL" things and not VainSpacing it up...
The study suggests that people on facebook behave similarly to the way they behave "IRL".

Quote:

This pop science totally leaves out privacy concerns and 236 Facebookers is hardly a useful sample composition and size.
I don't think that privacy concerns matter in the context of the study. It seems to be making claims about people who use facebook, not those that don't because of privacy concerns. Regarding the composition of the sample, Gosling's sample is probably middle/upper-middle class white and hispanic college students. What does the population of facebook users look like?

Plan9 12-03-2009 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sapiens (Post 2735777)
The study suggests that people on facebook behave similarly to the way they behave "IRL"

Exactly. And my whole idiot rant above is directed at Shauk's comment... because it doesn't have backing in the posted text.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sapiens (Post 2735777)
What does the population of facebook users look like?

Rumor has it black people use Facebook. Children use it. Families use it. Grandparents use it. Dogs use it. Facebook is pretty damn diverse.

Shauk 12-03-2009 12:01 PM

My extraction of it simply is that people who are active behind their fake user names and identities must have a preference for the imaginary names vs their real ones because they're still nursing the 90's cloak of anonymity that seems to be the draw of the internet for a lot of people when it comes to their social life supplements.

Just contrasting the people here or anywhere who say they refuse to use facebook because it scares them (paraphased of course)

"omg contact with people I dont know"

"omg my privacy"

or the myriad of other meme reasons in this thread which are based in the "i wish to remain anonymous, yet I choose to remain active here behind my self chosen username, revealing only what I choose to reveal" school of thought

Glory's Sun 12-03-2009 12:35 PM

I don't use facebook because it necessarily shows my real name or anything.. I don't use it because it just seems pointless and overly narcissistic for me.. and I'm pretty fucking vain.

people who want to use it..fine..I got no problem with you.. but me choosing not to use it doesn't make me less more or less afraid or more or less cool than people who spring to the newest internet trend.

loquitur 12-03-2009 12:54 PM

Shauk, I don't use Facebook because I prefer to have control over which parts of my life various different categories of people see. I'm not aware of any way that Facebook lets me keep any particular "friend" from seeing all my other friends, and frankly, given what I do professionally (as well as certain aspects of my personal life) I'd prefer not to have everyone be able to see everyone. So yes, "OMG my privacy." It's more a question of having control over my life. I'm fortunate to be at an age where I can get away with not being on Facebook if I so choose. So I'm not.

Cynthetiq 12-03-2009 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loquitur (Post 2735820)
Shauk, I don't use Facebook because I prefer to have control over which parts of my life various different categories of people see. I'm not aware of any way that Facebook lets me keep any particular "friend" from seeing all my other friends, and frankly, given what I do professionally (as well as certain aspects of my personal life) I'd prefer not to have everyone be able to see everyone. So yes, "OMG my privacy." It's more a question of having control over my life. I'm fortunate to be at an age where I can get away with not being on Facebook if I so choose. So I'm not.

not that you will change your mind, but yes you can set privacy as to who can see your friends list. you can set it to specific names or groups.

I set up a group called no share and put those people that I don't want to share anything with but still have to friend for whatever reason. It's a little more work like setting what group they belong to when I accept their friend request, but it works well.

SecretMethod70 12-03-2009 08:18 PM

What cynthetiq said. Facebook's privacy features are actually pretty damn good, and they're only getting better.

Xerxys 12-03-2009 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cynthetiq (Post 2735821)
... I set up a group called no share and put those people that I don't want to share anything with but still have to friend for whatever reason. It's a little more work like setting what group they belong to when I accept their friend request, but it works well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SecretMethod70 (Post 2735933)
... Facebook's privacy features are actually pretty damn good, and they're only getting better.

Besides agreeing with the posts above, I also do not get their point. I have friends that I am now comfortable sharing anything with. I don't have anyone who has restricted me access to anything and if you have, I will very promptly remove you. There is no point in being my "friend" with the quotes on.

Wes Mantooth 12-03-2009 09:59 PM

I have a facebook account buy honestly I can't stand it and rarely use it. I guess its mildly amusing to see old friends and acquaintances from high school or college but quite frankly at this point I have the friends I have in real life and just don't care that much for somebody I sort of knew 13 years ago. After a while I just thought whats the point? I see the friends and family I love and cherish on a regular basis, I hear their stories and one line observations, watch their kids grow and look at their photos as they stand beside me and tell me what I'm looking at.

Why then spend time on a page that does little more then update you on people you don't care about while getting littered with results from quizzes and games hold any more value then just mild amusement?

I guess I'm just not much of a fan of social networking sites...it really seems pointless.

Plan9 12-03-2009 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loquitur (Post 2735820)
Shauk, I don't use Facebook because I prefer to have control over which parts of my life various different categories of people see. I'm not aware of any way that Facebook lets me keep any particular "friend" from seeing all my other friends, and frankly, given what I do professionally (as well as certain aspects of my personal life) I'd prefer not to have everyone be able to see everyone. So yes, "OMG my privacy." It's more a question of having control over my life. I'm fortunate to be at an age where I can get away with not being on Facebook if I so choose. So I'm not.

Exactly. Although I don't think age is a factor.

Common sense may be, though.


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