10-28-2009, 11:35 AM | #1 (permalink) | |
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10-28-2009, 11:43 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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saw this on the news last night..and was completely dumbfounded by the lack of response.
I think I was even more angered by the fact that there are reports that people who weren't involved videotaping it and taking pics with a cell phone.. w.t.f.?? if the 19 year old is guilty, he won't see daylight for a long time and he'll for sure find out what gang raping is all about.. the others, if the evidence is there should be tried as adults. |
10-28-2009, 11:48 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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Stories like this is one of the reasons why I don't watch the news. It adds to my already overwhelming dislike for people.
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10-28-2009, 11:51 AM | #4 (permalink) | |
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I'm right there with you on this one.
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10-28-2009, 11:52 AM | #5 (permalink) | |
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10-28-2009, 11:53 AM | #6 (permalink) |
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Besides the obvious details portrayed by the story, and the ramifications thereof, I can only take in what the article says as speculation.
There is more than a fair share "believe"'s and "may have"'s present throught out the article. Perhaps the victim was assaulted, perhaps by more than one male, and perhaps for a prolonged period of time, upwards of two hours, all the while perhaps being gawked at more by a dozen or more teenage onlookers; but what does it mean? My general predilection is to say the reason why it was not reported, just in my mind, is because only one " unique clique" was privy to the criminal spectacle. Say, only "the jocks" saw what was going on, and had no inner desire to even ponder about whether this act of degradation is right or wrong, but instead think to themselves, "This is a show! Woo!" and moved on. That's not to excuse anyone, of course, but the near-incomprehensible apathy and malaise that subverts the teenage social ties and aspect of thinking, especially in a group setting, is, well, outrageous.
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10-28-2009, 12:17 PM | #7 (permalink) |
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I'm not really sure it's contained just within teenage cliques. I've seen far too many stories where people simply don't react to somebody in need of help. Now, I don't know how I'd react in a situation like that, but I would like to think that it would be more than utter apathy.
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10-28-2009, 01:49 PM | #8 (permalink) |
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Why is anybody surprised at this?
Schools, the Gov't, Police...Hellfire, our entire society have spent the last 30+ years indoctrinating people to believe that they are incapable of defending themselves or others, that to do so "a'int yore place, boy," and that the correct response is to "be a good witness." These kids were simply doing what their schools, teachers, TV news anchors, DARE officers, and assorted other Zampoliti have been telling them to do. Can't have people taking the law into their own hands, after all. |
10-28-2009, 01:59 PM | #11 (permalink) | |
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The fact that we're all feeling righteous indignation means that even if we're being indoctrinated, the process isn't nearly as complete as you'd like us to think it is. So your attempt at indoctrinating us is still incomplete as well as demonstrated by the number of people in this thread saying the opposite of what your anticipated party line would be. Or we can have some silly conversation about why it's somehow appropriate for high school kids to be allowed to carry firearms, but the presence of alcohol makes that a moronic argument that I don't think either of us particularly wants to have. Mainly because it involves drunk teenagers with guns. Even the US Army is smart enough to realize what a volitile mess THAT would be.
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10-28-2009, 02:43 PM | #13 (permalink) |
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Rape prevention would be a good program to institute in middle and high schools in areas with higher rates. Rape prevention generally has a lot more to do with carrying mace or yelling "fire" than it does addressing the real causes as rape. Now would be a very good time to put in place true sexual assault prevention in the form of things like discussing the true motives of rape with students, talking about how to properly deal with feelings of powerlessness and such, and how to appropriately recognize and report warning signs in troubled individuals. Richmond has an opportunity in the wake of tragedy to take an active roll in ensuring that no one else has to go what this student had to go through.
Richmond has about 98 rapes a year, which is about 1.35 times the national average. I wouldn't call it an especially rape-ridden place, but anything above the national rate deserves a bit of attention, which this situation has highlighted. Richmond has a surprisingly high murder rate, too, so this rape is likely a symptom of the same problem which is related to the murders. I'd start be addressing issues of poverty, as quite often crimes like these are tied to financial troubles. |
10-28-2009, 02:45 PM | #14 (permalink) | |
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10-28-2009, 02:51 PM | #15 (permalink) | |
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It is easy to sit at our computers and say "I'd jump in to stop something happening", but the fact is that a single outsider rarely has the courage to face down a mob. This story reminds me of this one that happened earlier this year (though this one has a happier ending)
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This is maybe worse in the US as the possibility that one of the hoodlums is carrying makes the this scenario seem a heap more dangerous.
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10-28-2009, 03:07 PM | #16 (permalink) |
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I don't blame anyone for not stepping in and trying to stop it themselves, but 2 hours? SOMEONE could have called the cops.
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10-29-2009, 08:38 AM | #20 (permalink) |
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This reminds me of the Kitty Genovese case. It came to my mind when I first heard about this incident in Richmond. If you don't know about it, look it up. Interesting reading.
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