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Tully Mars · 10-23-2009, 08:10 AM

They start doing this in Mexico and I'm screwed...

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SPRINGFIELD, Va. - A Springfield, Virginia man is facing an indecent exposure charge after a passerby spotted the man naked in his kitchen and reported it to police.

Eric Williamson, 29, is a commercial diver who grew up in Hawaii and rents home with several co-workers. Williamson told FOX 5's Will Thomas his roommates were not home and he walked into the kitchen to make coffee about 5:30 a.m. Monday.

"Yes, I wasn't wearing any clothes but I was alone, in my own home and just got out of bed. It was dark and I had no idea anyone was outside looking in at me," Williamson said.

Story here

Seriously WTF! In his own home. I make coffee naked every freaking morning. This seems screwy to me.

fresnelly · 10-23-2009, 08:22 AM

Whenever I read one of these outrageous stories where the full force of bureaucratic law is thrown against some poor schmuck I think, Who the fuck is calling this shit in??

What kind of busybody asshole feels the need to call the cops on such isolated behaviour? Who has the energy, time and will to engage the bureaucracy and prosecute something like this? Doesn't the complainant have work or chores or a to do list to accomplish that day? Wtf?

God help him if he's in one of those zero tolerance everyone's-an-Official-Sex-Offender States.

ShaniFaye · 10-23-2009, 08:36 AM

I bet if it had been a chick he wouldnt have complained

oops didnt read the article enuff to see it was a woman that complained

snowy · 10-23-2009, 08:47 AM

Apparently it was called in at 5:30 in the morning by an unidentified woman walking through the man's front yard with a 7-year-old boy in tow.

To me...making coffee in one's kitchen at that hour naked is more normal than walking through a stranger's front yard at 5:30 in the morning with a child.

ShaniFaye · 10-23-2009, 08:59 AM

Police: Others May Have Seen Naked Man in Window

The 2nd story makes it make a little more sense

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Police: Others May Have Seen Naked Man
Man charged after he claims he made coffee in nude

Updated: Thursday, 22 Oct 2009, 7:50 AM EDT
Published : Wednesday, 21 Oct 2009, 7:31 PM EDT

By WILL THOMAS/myfoxdc

SPRINGFILED, Va. - A debate continues in Northern Virginia that is bringing the issue of civil liberties to the national stage. A 29-year-old Springfield man says he was making coffee in the nude was arrested after a neighbor saw him, and on Wednesday police were back out in his neighborhood looking for others who might have seen him.

Eric Williamson, 29, is a commercial diver who grew up in Hawaii and rents home with several co-workers. Williamson told FOX 5's Will Thomas his roommates were not home and he walked into the kitchen to make coffee about 8:30 a.m. Monday.

"Yes, I wasn't wearing any clothes but I was alone, in my own home and just got out of bed. It was dark and I had no idea anyone was outside looking in at me," Williamson said.

But at about 8:30 a.m. on Monday morning, a neighbor walking her son to school says he deliberately exposed himself-- not once, but twice. First, she says it happened as he was standing in the glass doorway in the kitchen, and then again at a front window.

"We've heard there may have been other people who had a similar incident," said Mary Ann Jennings, a Fairfax County Police spokesperson.

The complaint came from an unidentified woman who was walking with a 7-year-old boy. A Fairfax County Police spokesperson said officers arrested Williamson for indecent exposure because they believe he wanted to be seen naked by the public.

On Wednesday, investigators told FOX 5 they have reason to believe there may have been another incident in which someone saw Williamson naked in front of his window. They're asking anyone who may have seen Williamson in the nude through his windows to come forward, even if it was at a different time.

Police are especially concerned because the house is located across the street from a bus stop for school children. So on Wednesday, officers canvassed the neighborhood with fliers, asking anyone who may have been subject to an exposure to come forward.

The department spokesperson says in a rare move, they're releasing more information about the case.

"Because this was being spun into a national story, and the idea you can't be naked in your own house-- we wanted to come forward and say in this case our officers believed there was probable cause the law had been violated," said Jennings.

Eric has since moved out of the rental house he shared with several diving buddies. And, by phone on Wednesday, the father of a 5-year-old girl maintained his innocence, as he did Monday in an exclusive interview with FOX 5.

"I'm a loving dad-- any of my friends would tell you that," Williamson said. "There is not a chance on this planet I would ever, ever do anything like that to a kid."

Police wouldn't release the incident report or the name of the mother who filed the complaint. FOX 5 has learned she is a respected member of the community, and just happens to be the wife of a Fairfax County Police officer.

FOX 5 also spoke with some of Williamson's roommates, and they said they believed Eric was drunk on Monday morning when they were all leaving for work around 5 a.m. The alleged exposure happened around 8:30 a.m. Williamson, however, says he was drinking on Sunday night, but was not drunk on Monday morning.

Baraka_Guru · 10-23-2009, 09:06 AM

And according to that one lawyer, if the exposure to others was unintentional, it's not illegal.

mixedmedia · 10-23-2009, 09:09 AM

has that anonymous exhibitionist guy been around lately...

LordEden · 10-23-2009, 09:11 AM

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Police wouldn't release the incident report or the name of the mother who filed the complaint. FOX 5 has learned she is a respected member of the community, and just happens to be the wife of a Fairfax County Police officer.

That just screams bullshit to me. If I want to be naked in my own house, that's my own choice. If you don't want to see me naked and you look INTO my window and see me naked, don't look into my fucking window!

If they are releasing all of this info, they need to release her name. It should be fair that if they are talking about him, then she should have to have cameras in her face.

Glory's Sun · 10-23-2009, 09:13 AM

yes.. the police asking everyone to come forward and handing out fliers is the BEST way to handle this

this sounds like a witch hunt.

The_Jazz · 10-23-2009, 09:41 AM

The easiest way to tell if this was on purpose? If he had a hardon at the time.

Seriously.

Presence or absense of wood makes or breaks the case.

Tully Mars · 10-23-2009, 09:59 AM

I'd want to charge someone for peeping in my windows...

GreyWolf · 10-23-2009, 10:17 AM

The guy was NEKKID???

DAMN THAT MAN... through his perverted ass in jail!!

If god wanted us to run around nekkid, we'd be born that way!!!

Tully Mars · 10-23-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Jazz

The easiest way to tell if this was on purpose? If he had a hardon at the time.

Seriously.

Presence or absense of wood makes or breaks the case.

Well I don't know. I always have a raging hard on when making coffee, but I really like coffee.

Seriously though, yes. If he's excited about it that's one thing (no pun intended) if not there really not much of a case here, IMO.

The_Jazz · 10-23-2009, 10:51 AM

If I'm with my kid and there's a naked man in his own house, my reaction is much different if he's sporting wood than not. Honestly, I'd call the cops without a second thought if he's hard and touching himself.

And I'll bet that's what happened here.

SecretMethod70 · 10-23-2009, 10:57 AM

He's making coffee at 5:30am... could easily be morning wood. Unless he's standing in the window looking outside and masturbating, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.

Salem · 10-23-2009, 11:01 AM

W....T....F. It was dawn. He'd just gotten up. In his home. Alone. And he was naked, making coffee, and someone on the street was looking INTO HIS HOME and saw him naked and got angry. This makes NO sense, whatsoever. If we're running on the crazy makes-no-sense legal train, they should be charged for looking into his home.

I'm loosing faith in humanity.

The_Jazz · 10-23-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SecretMethod70

He's making coffee at 5:30am... could easily be morning wood. Unless he's standing in the window looking outside and masturbating, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.

So what you're saying is that you've NEVER had morning sex or rubbed one out first thing?

I call shenanigans.

SecretMethod70 · 10-23-2009, 11:30 AM

Huh? No. What I'm saying is that the logic of "he's hard, therefore I'm calling the cops" doesn't take into account the very real possibility that he's hard for some reason other than getting off on being seen. That's all. Just because he could have gotten off before going to make coffee doesn't mean he did.

Or am I misunderstanding your post?

The_Jazz · 10-23-2009, 12:13 PM

I don't think you're misunderstanding, but when faced with a hard cock, the glaringly obvious assumption is that it's being done on purpose.

I'm not saying this guy was or wasn't trying to get his jollies in an inappropriate way, I'm just saying that, regardless of the way this article reads, if he's sporting wood, he no longer looks nearly as innocent or as victimized. If he's flacid, then I'm just as ready as the next idiot to rabble-rouse about Big Brother, but if he's hard, he's got some explaining to do, none of which I've seen yet.

wooÐs · 10-23-2009, 01:03 PM

What a fucking pig.

He could've at least thrown on a thong or something.

Ayashe · 10-23-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Jazz

If I'm with my kid and there's a naked man in his own house, my reaction is much different if he's sporting wood than not. Honestly, I'd call the cops without a second thought if he's hard and touching himself.

And I'll bet that's what happened here.

At 5:30 am I would put it off to morning wood personally.

Charlatan · 10-23-2009, 08:36 PM

The law here is very clear. It is up to you to make sure that nobody sees you naked. Anyone catching a glimpse through your window and you are held liable.

SecretMethod70 · 10-23-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

The law here is very clear. It is up to you to make sure that nobody sees you naked. Anyone catching a glimpse through your window and you are held liable.

Clear != reasonable.

Strange Famous · 10-24-2009, 01:34 AM

The woman is a peeping tom.

Then again, if a woman was peeping though my windows at me nude it wouldnt bother me and I wouldnt prosecute certainly.

Poppinjay · 10-24-2009, 02:17 AM

Indecent exposure happens frequently in the area, and it's usually obvious but unreported. It's the type where guys are in their houses, but stand full frontal by the window. We've seen it twice. Didn't report it or anything, but the police blotter for the area is filled with incidents.

I'm a little unsure of the veracity of his story.

mixedmedia · 10-24-2009, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Jazz

I don't think you're misunderstanding, but when faced with a hard cock, the glaringly obvious assumption is that it's being done on purpose.

I'm not saying this guy was or wasn't trying to get his jollies in an inappropriate way, I'm just saying that, regardless of the way this article reads, if he's sporting wood, he no longer looks nearly as innocent or as victimized. If he's flacid, then I'm just as ready as the next idiot to rabble-rouse about Big Brother, but if he's hard, he's got some explaining to do, none of which I've seen yet.

I tend to agree here. If he's hard and standing in his window looking out with an erection (am I reading that correctly?), I'd have a hard time believing a simple 'I was making coffee nude' argument.

Xerxys · 10-24-2009, 05:31 AM

But then we only have the article to go on so the hard, window, touching, rubbing dialog you all have going here is moot.

List of words hereby banned from TFP ...
Shenanigans

/derail.

Punk.of.Ages · 10-24-2009, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mixedmedia

has that anonymous exhibitionist guy been around lately...

I was totally thinking that....

Poppinjay · 10-26-2009, 01:47 PM

The WaPo has more on the story today.

Bottomless sorrow

Do I get points for my clever link title? Because I'm here to win the internets. It's he said, she said. However, his roomates are not very fond of the man.

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One of Williamson's roommates, who declined to give his name, said that he and the four other men living in the house felt less sympathy than anger now that they are left to make peace with neighbors and answer reporters' questions.

As for what really happened, the roommate said, "anything's possible." All he knows is that the kitchen curtains, which he said were Williamson's, were not installed when he left for work Monday morning but that they were up when he got home.

Jetée · 10-26-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

The law here is very clear. It is up to you to make sure that nobody sees you naked. Anyone catching a glimpse through your window and you are held liable.

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Originally Posted by SecretMethod70

Clear != reasonable.

Since when have laws ever been reasonable?

Not to diverge from the issue at hand here, and trying to accurately assess "culpability" on the particular person(s) from the story, but this interpretation and maleablity of the law in order to have your right to complain about someone and successfully have them prosecuted over it can be achieved quite easily by anyone.

Honestly, everywhere in America, nearly anything at all in which more than one person congregates can be deemed as "public space", yet altogether the same, be someone else's private establishment.

There is an example of which I happen to know that is as ridiculous as this story, yet still, the person was charged: a man was drinking at the bar late, obviously hammered, yet someone complained, and he was issued with a "drunk in public" charge, even though he was in a privately-owned business. The rationale: someone on the street outside of the bar saw him acting raucously, peered through the window and identified him; and there was nothing to be done at all about it because when facing the verdict, he was told that "anything that affects the general public and their right to the assurance of their well-being, even if you are not within the general vicinity of it at the time (outside in open space), you are held responsible for it."

raging moderate · 10-26-2009, 07:09 PM

If the situation was reversed and it was a man outside (with or without a child) randomly walking through a stranger's yard at 5AM and saw a female naked, no matter what the state of her arousal, HE would be charged. End of story. I know it's pretty cliche to call double standard here, but JEEZ. And while I think the "drunk in public" story is also ridiculous, that doesn't necessarily set a legal precedent here. The drunk guy wasn't in is own home so legally the reference is irrelevant. Not saying it isn't a good comment, just saying it wouldn't do anything for you in court. Unless, I suppose, the guy's window overlooks a busy street and not his yard (which she seems to have been traipsing through in the first place)...

flstf · 10-27-2009, 09:53 AM

When I read stories like this I am always amazed that humans perceive nudity to be so offensive. It's almost as if we are suffering from some kind of collective insanity.

Shell · 10-29-2009, 12:47 PM

wait...something doesn't jive. Who has a kitchen window that comes down low enough to expose his privates while making coffee...and wasn't there a counter there for the coffee maker that would block any view of him? I've never seen a kitchen counter that only came up to your knees.

The_Jazz · 10-29-2009, 01:08 PM

Well, you can see into my kitchen pretty easily through the floor-to-ceiling glass doors at one end of the house or through the windows on the sides of the house that my 3 year-old can see easily out of without standing on tiptoe. For that matter, my bedroom windows start about mid-thigh for me and I'm 6'-0". I don't have any problem imagining that there could be something similar here.

Leto · 10-29-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Shell

wait...something doesn't jive. Who has a kitchen window that comes down low enough to expose his privates while making coffee...and wasn't there a counter there for the coffee maker that would block any view of him? I've never seen a kitchen counter that only came up to your knees.

my kitchen has the normal windows over the sink, but right beside that are the floor to ceiling 6 foot wide sliding French doors that open out onto the patio/deck in the back.

Of course, with a house full of people, I rarely (actually never) strut about naked. Mostly, my naked dashes are from the bedroom to the bathroom, for those times when a towel is needed....

Xerxys · 10-29-2009, 05:21 PM

Shell, my apartment had to have the blinds pulled at all times because the window went all the way down to the floor.

Baraka_Guru · 10-29-2009, 06:23 PM

Non-issue for me: my kitchen doesn't even have windows.

Ce'Nedra · 10-29-2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by snowy

To me...making coffee in one's kitchen at that hour naked is more normal than walking through a stranger's front yard at 5:30 in the morning with a child.

Agreed! That's bullshit.

The_Jazz · 10-30-2009, 04:57 AM

They weren't in his yard. They were on a well established path on community property. His kitchen apparently overlooks this path. It's all in the article.

10-23-2009, 08:22 AM	#2 (permalink)
fresnelly Functionally Appropriate Location: Toronto	Whenever I read one of these outrageous stories where the full force of bureaucratic law is thrown against some poor schmuck I think, Who the fuck is calling this shit in?? What kind of busybody asshole feels the need to call the cops on such isolated behaviour? Who has the energy, time and will to engage the bureaucracy and prosecute something like this? Doesn't the complainant have work or chores or a to do list to accomplish that day? Wtf? God help him if he's in one of those zero tolerance everyone's-an-Official-Sex-Offender States. __________________ Building an artificial intelligence that appreciates Mozart is easy. Building an A.I. that appreciates a theme restaurant is the real challenge - Kit Roebuck - Nine Planets Without Intelligent Life

10-23-2009, 08:36 AM	#3 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	I bet if it had been a chick he wouldnt have complained oops didnt read the article enuff to see it was a woman that complained __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!* Last edited by ShaniFaye; 10-23-2009 at 08:58 AM..

10-23-2009, 08:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
snowy Kick Ass Kunoichi Location: Oregon	Apparently it was called in at 5:30 in the morning by an unidentified woman walking through the man's front yard with a 7-year-old boy in tow. To me...making coffee in one's kitchen at that hour naked is more normal than walking through a stranger's front yard at 5:30 in the morning with a child. __________________ If I am not better, at least I am different. --Jean-Jacques Rousseau

10-23-2009, 09:06 AM	#6 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	And according to that one lawyer, if the exposure to others was unintentional, it's not illegal. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

10-23-2009, 09:09 AM	#7 (permalink)
mixedmedia has all her shots. Location: Florida	has that anonymous exhibitionist guy been around lately... __________________ Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce

10-23-2009, 09:13 AM	#9 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	yes.. the police asking everyone to come forward and handing out fliers is the BEST way to handle this this sounds like a witch hunt.

10-23-2009, 09:41 AM	#10 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	The easiest way to tell if this was on purpose? If he had a hardon at the time. Seriously. Presence or absense of wood makes or breaks the case. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

10-23-2009, 09:59 AM	#11 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	I'd want to charge someone for peeping in my windows... __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

10-23-2009, 10:17 AM	#12 (permalink)
GreyWolf Sober Location: Eastern Canada	The guy was *NEKKID???* DAMN THAT MAN... through his perverted ass in jail!! If god wanted us to run around nekkid, we'd be born that way!!! __________________ *The secret to great marksmanship is deciding what the target was AFTER you've shot.*

10-23-2009, 10:51 AM	#14 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	If I'm with my kid and there's a naked man in his own house, my reaction is much different if he's sporting wood than not. Honestly, I'd call the cops without a second thought if he's hard and touching himself. And I'll bet that's what happened here. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

10-23-2009, 10:57 AM	#15 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	He's making coffee at 5:30am... could easily be morning wood. Unless he's standing in the window looking outside and masturbating, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions. __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

10-23-2009, 11:01 AM	#16 (permalink)
Salem Psycho Location: Canada	W....T....F. It was dawn. He'd just gotten up. In his home. Alone. And he was naked, making coffee, and someone on the street was looking INTO HIS HOME and saw him naked and got angry. This makes NO sense, whatsoever. If we're running on the crazy makes-no-sense legal train, they should be charged for looking into his home. I'm loosing faith in humanity.

10-23-2009, 11:30 AM	#18 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	Huh? No. What I'm saying is that the logic of "he's hard, therefore I'm calling the cops" doesn't take into account the very real possibility that he's hard for some reason other than getting off on being seen. That's all. Just because he could have gotten off before going to make coffee doesn't mean he did. Or am I misunderstanding your post? __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

10-23-2009, 12:13 PM	#19 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	I don't think you're misunderstanding, but when faced with a hard cock, the glaringly obvious assumption is that it's being done on purpose. I'm not saying this guy was or wasn't trying to get his jollies in an inappropriate way, I'm just saying that, regardless of the way this article reads, if he's sporting wood, he no longer looks nearly as innocent or as victimized. If he's flacid, then I'm just as ready as the next idiot to rabble-rouse about Big Brother, but if he's hard, he's got some explaining to do, none of which I've seen yet. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

10-23-2009, 01:03 PM	#20 (permalink)
wooÐs Sitting in a tree Location: Atlanta	What a fucking pig. He could've at least thrown on a thong or something.

10-23-2009, 08:36 PM	#22 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	The law here is very clear. It is up to you to make sure that nobody sees you naked. Anyone catching a glimpse through your window and you are held liable. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

10-24-2009, 01:34 AM	#24 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	The woman is a peeping tom. Then again, if a woman was peeping though my windows at me nude it wouldnt bother me and I wouldnt prosecute certainly. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

10-24-2009, 02:17 AM	#25 (permalink)
Poppinjay You had me at hello Location: DC/Coastal VA	Indecent exposure happens frequently in the area, and it's usually obvious but unreported. It's the type where guys are in their houses, but stand full frontal by the window. We've seen it twice. Didn't report it or anything, but the police blotter for the area is filled with incidents. I'm a little unsure of the veracity of his story. __________________ I think the Apocalypse is happening all around us. We go on eating desserts and watching TV. I know I do. I wish we were more capable of sustained passion and sustained resistance. We should be screaming and what we do is gossip. -Lydia Millet

10-24-2009, 05:31 AM	#27 (permalink)
Xerxys Junkie Location: My head.	But then we only have the article to go on so the hard, window, touching, rubbing dialog you all have going here is moot. List of words hereby banned from TFP ... Shenanigans /derail.

10-26-2009, 07:09 PM	#31 (permalink)
raging moderate Insane Location: Whatever house my keys can get me into	If the situation was reversed and it was a man outside (with or without a child) randomly walking through a stranger's yard at 5AM and saw a female naked, no matter what the state of her arousal, HE would be charged. End of story. I know it's pretty cliche to call double standard here, but JEEZ. And while I think the "drunk in public" story is also ridiculous, that doesn't necessarily set a legal precedent here. The drunk guy wasn't in is own home so legally the reference is irrelevant. Not saying it isn't a good comment, just saying it wouldn't do anything for you in court. Unless, I suppose, the guy's window overlooks a busy street and not his yard (which she seems to have been traipsing through in the first place)...

10-27-2009, 09:53 AM	#32 (permalink)
flstf Easy Rider Location: Moscow on the Ohio	When I read stories like this I am always amazed that humans perceive nudity to be so offensive. It's almost as if we are suffering from some kind of collective insanity.

10-29-2009, 12:47 PM	#33 (permalink)
Shell Cheers Location: Eastcoast USA	wait...something doesn't jive. Who has a kitchen window that comes down low enough to expose his privates while making coffee...and wasn't there a counter there for the coffee maker that would block any view of him? I've never seen a kitchen counter that only came up to your knees. __________________ ..."Say what you think. Those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind" ~ Dr. Seuss

10-29-2009, 01:08 PM	#34 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	Well, you can see into my kitchen pretty easily through the floor-to-ceiling glass doors at one end of the house or through the windows on the sides of the house that my 3 year-old can see easily out of without standing on tiptoe. For that matter, my bedroom windows start about mid-thigh for me and I'm 6'-0". I don't have any problem imagining that there could be something similar here. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

10-29-2009, 05:21 PM	#36 (permalink)
Xerxys Junkie Location: My head.	Shell, my apartment had to have the blinds pulled at all times because the window went all the way down to the floor.

10-29-2009, 06:23 PM	#37 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	Non-issue for me: my kitchen doesn't even have windows. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

10-30-2009, 04:57 AM	#39 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	They weren't in his yard. They were on a well established path on community property. His kitchen apparently overlooks this path. It's all in the article. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo