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highthief 09-16-2009 04:19 PM

If you could go back in time ...
 
You can pick one of three options:

1 - Go back one week in time knowing what this week's winning lottery numbers will be.

2 - Go back a number of years into your own past and make more personal changes (education, relationships, employment, etc) but not get any wealthier.

3 - Go back to any point in time and make a significant positive change in world history (discover a cure for some disease, stop a war before it starts, kill Hitler before he gets to power) but again, you won't be materially wealthier.

Which do you pick? Have to say, I'm a greedy person in some respects - I largely like my life right now but would be happy to have a few more dollars, so it's option 1 for me.

Tully Mars 09-16-2009 04:28 PM

Seems like all three could have a neg. impact. I'd go for number one also. If I found having money too much a burden I could always just give it away.

Jetée 09-16-2009 04:48 PM

If time is like a river, (theory of something or other proposed by I forget whom) then I'd like to make as little a splash as possible. Assuming everyone following adheres to your set definitions and we don't "jump forward" in time, I'd go back in time no further (farther?) than 50 hours or so (3 days max).

Money is of no interest to me, but it seems to travel and lodge, one needs it handy. Plus, I'm kinda scared of the publicity of winning a lottery/sweepstakes. I think I'd like to pool my money together for awhile, plan a trip to Vegas (after leaving the present to live out the past) and bet a huge pot on an assured winning underdog, say the recent US Open results of Del Potro over Federer with 4-1 odds (via VegasBlackbook).

northstar 09-16-2009 05:03 PM

The problem with number three is it can take away my very existence, or create a parallel universe making the changes null and void anyway. Though in general terms I'd probably say three. I don't believe in the practicality of it, so I also say one. Sorry to be difficult haha.

lostgirl 09-16-2009 05:04 PM

None of the above.

I love ancient history, and I would love to go back as an observer. I want to see the pyramids being built, the Colossus of Rhodes, the eruption of Thera, dinosaurs, you name it.

I would never change anything in the past, the grandfather paradox applies. It's also believed we would only create a parallel universe, and it would never affect the world we now know.

Willravel 09-16-2009 05:08 PM

I don't care about wealth. I care about how the process of trial and error has resulted in unimaginable suffering and death during the history of the species. Imagine meeting early humans, hunter gatherers, and teaching them language, science, mathematics, logic, art, music, and social/governmental theory like freedom, democracy, human rights, and equality. Imagine skipping 20,000 slow years of human development. The year 2009 could look like the year 22,009. The only thing I would ask in return is that they make central the ideals of truth and justice.

It would be interesting to see what 2009 would look like.

ratbastid 09-16-2009 05:12 PM

I've read too much sci fi to be reaaaaaal comfy with time travel. There are always unexpected consequences.

That said, I don't see how me suddenly being super rich could hurt anyone.

noodle 09-16-2009 05:24 PM

what ratbastid said.

Charlatan 09-16-2009 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noodle (Post 2704530)
what ratbastid said.

thirded...

fresnelly 09-16-2009 05:52 PM

There will always be a war of some kind or another

Money can't buy happiness.

The world would be a better place if my wife's sister was still alive.

World's King 09-16-2009 05:55 PM

I'm taking the money...

GreyWolf 09-16-2009 05:55 PM

Actually, I would most prefer to travel back as an observer... to see what actually happened in the time of Caeser, or Christ, or to witness great events without the fog of time obscuring them. Changing things is not something I'd be terribly interested in.

Going back to get money wouldn't appeal to me, I have enough already (yes, I really do, but I'm not immensely wealthy, lol).

Going back to relive my own life sounds interesting until I think about the possibility of wiping out the existence of those I hold dear. That alone makes me accept my life as it is today.

I'm an inquisitive person, so I pick a modified option 3.

SSJTWIZTA 09-16-2009 06:46 PM

i would go back and stangle hitler, stalin, and mao tse-tung. perhaps as infants....less of a struggle from those soon to be genocidal ass-hats.

Lasereth 09-16-2009 07:10 PM

The question is a little unfair because there's an obvious answer.

It's sort of odd how the majority of people would rather be rich than save 50,000,000 lives.

Willravel 09-16-2009 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lasereth (Post 2704557)
The question is a little unfair because there's an obvious answer.

It's sort of odd how the majority of people would rather be rich than save 50,000,000 lives.

WWII? I thought that was 55m.

inBOIL 09-16-2009 07:37 PM

I'd make personal changes, although the changes I'd make would almost certainly make me wealthier, just not rich. As far as saving millions of lives, the butterfly effect could result in your effort being in vain, or even counterproductive. Best to stick to making small changes that matter to you.

DaniGirl 09-16-2009 07:42 PM

Id go with number one. I'm thinking of my financial situation which would also help my personal life and the lives of my family. My kids future is what matters to me. So in a way it would be like picking number 1 and 2.

wooÐs 09-16-2009 08:05 PM

#2.

There's lots of things I 'coulda' done that 'woulda' prevented a lot of negatives in regards to my overall health and happiness today.

jnthnlllshprd 09-16-2009 11:59 PM

option 1, although I'd do what Hitler did just to undo what I did in July 2008.

Xerxys 09-17-2009 12:09 AM


Spiritsoar 09-17-2009 12:34 AM

1. A short period back in time, to gain financially. If I had a choice, I would find some strange series of stock investments to multiply my money exponentially, or something more discreet than lottery winnings. But, failing that, I'd take the lottery.

It may seem insensitive to gain personally, rather than help others, but Fate is tricky. I absolutely wouldn't change a thing about my life, despite wrong choices and missed opportunities. My life is far from perfect right now, but I'm happy with the direction it's going, and I wouldn't want anything to change what might have been.

As for historic changes, no. I know it might seem horrible, for all the things that might be better, for all the lives that might be saved, etc. Or things could have just gotten worse, or different in ways we couldn't expect or predict. We've done the best we could as a species throughout history to cope with the difficulties that we had, and we learned from each hardship we've endured. I couldn't tamper with that.

Vigilante 09-17-2009 12:42 AM

Dinosaurs. If there is not option for dinosaurs, then this thread is a waste :lol:

Allyallyally 09-17-2009 01:54 AM

Option 2, for sure. I don't want to be rich, and I don't want to mess with any of the bigger events of the world. I would use the opportunity to improve myself, and do things that I was afraid to do at the time, only with a whole new perspective. I'd take more chances, be less stupid, and express how I felt more often.

Oh, and I wouldn't have broken up with my first ever boyfriend (in such a nasty, childish way) when I was 12 years old just because my friends didn't like him. Sorry, Tom. You were cool.

ametc 09-17-2009 02:06 AM

I would go back in time and sweet talk my ex so it would be much easier now to stalk his new girlfriend. >_>............ This is not crazy, is it?

highthief 09-17-2009 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lasereth (Post 2704557)
The question is a little unfair because there's an obvious answer.

It's sort of odd how the majority of people would rather be rich than save 50,000,000 lives.

Obviously, there is no obvious answer, given the split in votes.

ametc 09-17-2009 02:45 AM

I wish I could go back in time and never talk to my ex everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I am losing sleep over this stupid shit. >:C

Reese 09-17-2009 03:48 AM

I'd kill Hitler.

I was going to post some holocaust photos but didn't want to ruin the thread. I don't care if it caused a grandfather paradox. It's the right thing to do. If someone told you that tomorrow, they were going to torture and kill 5 million people, why would you not stop it? Because you know the world will survive it is reason enough not to prevent it?

thirdsun 09-17-2009 04:12 AM

I'll take option 1, but instead of the lottery, I'll just purchase 500 shares of MSFT. Effectively, the same thing but expotentially more lucrative.

Jove 09-17-2009 05:37 AM

I would choose option 3, but I would observe the events and not mess with their situation because that may drastically change the future.

ratbastid 09-17-2009 05:37 AM

Like I said above, I'm a big fan of time travel sci fi. Here's a tiny short story by Desmond Warzel that's one of my faves.

Abyss & Apex : Fourth Quarter 2007: Wikihistory

Quote:

International Association of Time Travelers: Members' Forum Subforum: Europe – Twentieth Century – Second World War
Page 263

11/15/2104
At 14:52:28, FreedomFighter69 wrote:
Reporting my first temporal excursion since joining IATT: have just returned from 1936 Berlin, having taken the place of one of Leni Riefenstahl's cameramen and assassinated Adolf Hitler during the opening of the Olympic Games. Let a free world rejoice!

At 14:57:44, SilverFox316 wrote:
Back from 1936 Berlin; incapacitated FreedomFighter69 before he could pull his little stunt. Freedomfighter69, as you are a new member, please read IATT Bulletin 1147 regarding the killing of Hitler before your next excursion. Failure to do so may result in your expulsion per Bylaw 223.

At 18:06:59, BigChill wrote:
Take it easy on the kid, SilverFox316; everybody kills Hitler on their first trip. I did. It always gets fixed within a few minutes, what's the harm?

At 18:33:10, SilverFox316 wrote:
Easy for you to say, BigChill, since to my recollection you've never volunteered to go back and fix it. You think I've got nothing better to do?

11/16/2104
At 10:15:44, JudgeDoom wrote:
Good news! I just left a French battlefield in October 1916, where I shot dead a young Bavarian Army messenger named Adolf Hitler! Not bad for my first time, no? Sic semper tyrannis!

At 10:22:53, SilverFox316 wrote:
Back from 1916 France I come, having at the last possible second prevented Hitler's early demise at the hands of JudgeDoom and, incredibly, restrained myself from shooting JudgeDoom and sparing us all years of correcting his misguided antics. READ BULLETIN 1147, PEOPLE!

At 15:41:18, BarracksRoomLawyer wrote:
Point of order: issues related to Hitler's service in the Bavarian Army ought to go in the World War I forum.

11/21/2104
At 02:21:30, SneakyPete wrote:
Vienna, 1907: after numerous attempts, have infiltrated the Academy of Fine Arts and facilitated Adolf Hitler's admission to that institution. Goodbye, Hitler the dictator; hello, Hitler the modestly successful landscape artist! Brought back a few of his paintings as well, any buyers?

At 02:29:17, SilverFox316 wrote:
All right; that's it. Having just returned from 1907 Vienna where I secured the expulsion of Hitler from the Academy by means of an elaborate prank involving the Prefect, a goat, and a substantial quantity of olive oil, I now turn my attention to our newer brethren, who, despite rules to the contrary, seem to have no intention of reading Bulletin 1147 (nor its Addendum, Alternate Means of Subverting the Hitlerian Destiny, and here I'm looking at you, SneakyPete). Permit me to sum it up and save you the trouble: no Hitler means no Third Reich, no World War II, no rocketry programs, no electronics, no computers, no time travel. Get the picture?

At 02:29:49, SilverFox316 wrote:
PS to SneakyPete: your Hitler paintings aren't worth anything, schmuck, since you probably brought them directly here from 1907, which means the paint's still fresh. Freaking n00b.

At 07:55:03, BarracksRoomLawyer wrote:
Amen, SilverFox316. Although, point of order, issues relating to early 1900s Vienna should really go in that forum, not here. This has been a recurring problem on this forum.

11/26/2104
At 18:26:18, Jason440953 wrote:
SilverFox316, you seem to know a lot about the rules; what are your thoughts on traveling to, say, Braunau, Austria, in 1875 and killing Alois Hitler before he has a chance to father Adolf? Mind you, I'm asking out of curiosity alone, since I already went and did it.

At 18:42:55, SilverFox316 wrote:
Jason440953, see Bylaw 7, which states that all IATT rulings regarding historical persons apply to ancestors as well. I post this for the benefit of others, as I already made this clear to young Jason in person as I was dragging him back from 1875 by his hair. Got that? No ancestors. (Though if anyone were to go back to, say, Moline, Illinois, in, say, 2080 or so, and intercede to prevent Jason440953's conception, I could be persuaded to look the other way.)

At 21:19:17, BarracksRoomLawyer wrote:
Point of order: discussions of nineteenth–century Austria and twenty–first–century Illinois should be confined to their respective forums.

12/01/2104
At 15:56:41, AsianAvenger wrote:
FreedomFighter69, JudgeDoom, SneakyPete, Jason440953, you're nothing but a pack of racists. Let the light of righteousness shine upon your squalid little viper's nest!

At 16:40:17, BigTom44 wrote:
Well, here we frickin' go.

At 16:58:42, FreedomFighter69 wrote:
Racist? For killing Hitler? WTF?

At 17:12:52, SaucyAussie wrote:
AsianAvenger, you're not rehashing that whole Nagasaki issue again, are you? We just got everyone calmed down from last time.

At 17:22:37, LadyJustice wrote:
I'm with SaucyAussie. AsianAvenger, you're making even less sense than usual. What gives?

At 18:56:09, AsianAvenger wrote:
What gives is everyone's repeated insistence on a course of action which, even if successful, would only save a few million Europeans. It would be no more trouble to travel to Fuyuanshui, China, in 1814 and kill Hong Xiuquan, thus preventing the Taiping Rebellion of the mid–nineteenth century and saving fifty million lives in the process. But, hey, what are fifty million yellow devils more or less, right, guys? We've got Poles and Frenchmen to worry about.

At 19:01:38, LadyJustice wrote:
Well, what's stopping you from killing him, AsianAvenger?

At 19:11:43, AsianAvenger wrote:
Only to have SilverFox316 undo my work? What's the point?

At 19:59:23, SilverFox316 wrote:
Actually, it seems like a pretty good idea to me, AsianAvenger. No complications that I can see.

At 20:07:25, Big Chill wrote:
Go for it, man.

At 20:11:31, AsianAvenger wrote:
Very well. I shall return in mere moments, the savior of millions!

At 20:14:17, LadyJustice wrote:
Just checked the timeline; congrats on your success, AsianAvenger!

12/02/2104
At 10:52:53, LadyJustice wrote:
AsianAvenger?

At 11:41:40, SilverFox316 wrote:
AsianAvenger, we need your report, buddy.

At 17:15:32, SilverFox316 wrote:
Okay, apparently AsianAvenger was descended from Hong Xiuquan. Any volunteers to go back and stop him from negating his own existence?

12/10/2104
At 09:14:44, SilverFox316 wrote:
Anyone?

At 09:47:13, BarracksRoomLawyer wrote:
Point of order: this discussion belongs in the Qing Dynasty forum. We're adults; can we keep sight of what's important around here?

warrrreagl 09-17-2009 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostgirl (Post 2704522)
None of the above.

I love ancient history, and I would love to go back as an observer. I want to see the pyramids being built, the Colossus of Rhodes, the eruption of Thera, dinosaurs, you name it.

This. I would just want to observe without changing.

I would be curious to know, though, if the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle would apply to this as well.

DaniGirl 09-17-2009 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thirdsun (Post 2704705)
I'll take option 1, but instead of the lottery, I'll just purchase 500 shares of MSFT. Effectively, the same thing but expotentially more lucrative.

Great idea! I thought about this question even more and I may have changed my mind. Now I would not like to mess up the future in any way. But if there is one thing I would go back and change it would be 9/11. Save all those lives and stop a war. But really whose to say it wouldn't just happen another day another time. Is there really any way to stop war or just postpone it? Sorry I'm having a weird day.

Vigilante 09-17-2009 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thirdsun (Post 2704705)
I'll take option 1, but instead of the lottery, I'll just purchase 500 shares of MSFT. Effectively, the same thing but expotentially more lucrative.

I think you meant number 2.

2 would be tempting, but you'd have to go back to the 80's to make serious cash. Intel, AMD, M$, all the hard drive companies. Oil. Toyota? Etc.

Between that and seeing the dinosuars...man. I still think I'd go see the dinosuars.

However if I did go back to the 80's, sadam and bin laden would be dead. I'd make sure Reagan knew, somehow.

jnthnlllshprd 09-17-2009 09:32 AM

nvm

KellyC 09-17-2009 07:52 PM

First option sounds good to me. I do really need it and I'm sure as hell I can improve lots of personal changes/relationships with the help of money and perhaps even making positive changes in history too....but from this point on.

Terrell 09-17-2009 11:35 PM

If I could only do it once, I'd take the money.

If I could do it multiple times, I'd probably go back and meet some historical figures. Would also go back and see some extinct creatures. If I'm not confined to earth, I might go all the way back and see our solar system form, even if I had to go to several different times, and see it like a time-lapse type of thing.

yotta 09-21-2009 12:27 AM

Fucking with history is a major butterfly effect issue, not touching that. I'm pretty happy with where my life is now, even if my childhood was awful in a lot of ways. I'd go back to the night there was a fire in my house and I'd go back for my dog. I'd left him in my bedroom where he died of smoke inhalation/suffocation. I could have easily gotten him out, but it had been drilled into me never to go back into a burning building. I don't think it would have changed my life much to have him, but I will always feel guilty about it.

percy 09-21-2009 06:15 PM

I'd go with 2. I think.

I was in a relationship for 2 years and it ended. It was beginning to get mentally and verbally abusive. After a year apart, and on the verge of a wonderful new relationship, I went back. That lasted 5 more years until the abuse was too much.

I can still remember the day, the month, the clothes I was wearing when I made that decision to give up what could have been a wonderful adventure that eventually turned into a nightmare. I would go right back to that moment and,...

And I don't know. What I potentially lost I may have never gained,...strength, courage, a sense of myself, independence, individuality, a life worth more than living.

Life is funny ain't it.

ironman 09-23-2009 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lasereth (Post 2704557)
The question is a little unfair because there's an obvious answer.

It's sort of odd how the majority of people would rather be rich than save 50,000,000 lives.

If it wasn't for WWII we would not have computers, jets, space travel, microwaves, radars, lasers, nuclear energy, etc...
I rather risk going back one week and winning the lottery, than going back 50 plus years and risking the lives of hundreds if not thousands of millions of people. If those 50 mil wouldn't die, I think it's almost sure most of us would never be born, too much variables would be introduced into the equation of live if you were to save such a huge amount of people and change such a significant milestone in history. Butterfly effect my friend.

lostgirl 09-24-2009 06:19 PM

This keeps going though my head every time I read this thread.



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