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The_Jazz · 09-05-2009, 04:48 PM

This thread is venturing into dangerous ground, full of the possibilities of personal attacks - and there are several posts dangerously close to that line. There have been several suggestions to lock the thread by a few members. Whether or not that happens is completely dependent on all the posts that follow this one. Please tread lightly and use your back button liberally.

highthief · 09-05-2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mixedmedia

My point is (and I didn't direct my comment only to yours because this thread has been full of such statements) there is no justifying a violent reaction to someone hitting your child, including this case.

It's one thing to say it, lots of people would say it (i'd kick his ass!) and find themselves more rational when it actually happens to them. But to believe that it is a preferred course of action - in front of your child - is just ridiculous.

I've cracked another person for hitting his own kid (and I mean he knocked a tooth loose and drew blood from the boy). I'd do at least as much (and likely more) to someone hurting my kids (or wife). I'd hope that most people would.

Responding with a reasonable level of force against a previous (and illegal) forceful action is entirely justified - certainly in law and in generally accepted morals.

ratbastid · 09-05-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeraph

Rat- first off, that was only part of the story, and you have no fucking clue what happened.

Objectively? Both my parents were there, many people witnessed it. The guy nearly got lynched. I know what happened exactly, and from several sources outside my own.

I swear this is the last time I ever share anything like that here. You guys act as if each post is a testimony of every exact fact and have no respect for the poster.

I just went by what you said, dude.

mixedmedia · 09-05-2009, 06:36 PM

So another option, say, removing your child immediately from danger. That wouldn't be your first impulse. Check, gotcha.

dksuddeth · 09-05-2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mixedmedia

The man who hurt my kids will be out of prison in 2024.
In my estimation and by every other sane and sound estimation I've ever heard, what I did was the mature and responsible thing.

then the people who told you that are the idiots.

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Originally Posted by mixedmedia

What's more, I am here to raise my children. What's even more, they know I am capable of protecting them.

really? how do they know this? what would they have witnessed from their incident that would lead them to believe they are protected by you?

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Originally Posted by mixedmedia

My point is (and I didn't direct my comment only to yours because this thread has been full of such statements) there is no justifying a violent reaction to someone hitting your child, including this case.

yes there is. it tells the rest of the world not to jack with your child.

LoganSnake · 09-05-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mixedmedia

So another option, say, removing your child immediately from danger. That wouldn't be your first impulse. Check, gotcha.

Sure it would. How is incapacitating the attacker not removing the child from danger?

highthief · 09-06-2009, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by LoganSnake

Sure it would. How is incapacitating the attacker not removing the child from danger?

Exactly. MM is a woman, and indeed perhaps the best option for a woman would be to remove the child from the situation. She may not be physically strong enough or experienced enough (in terms of physical confrontations) to do otherwise.

But for those who are stronger, more experienced, etc., taking more forceful action to minimize or prevent harm is perhaps a better route.

People posting here should take into account people's differing physical and emotional abilities in terms of dealing with stuff like this.

Shauk · 09-06-2009, 03:32 AM

slap the shit out of your kids, seriously, the only reason they cry out of emotional distress instead of legitimate reasons is lack of conditioning. My dad always told me "stop crying or I'll give you something to cry about"

he was right, I had no reason to cry over spilled chocolate milk, or not getting a toy I want. That kind of immaturity needs to go away or you wind up with adults with an inflated sense of entitlement.

that said, it wasn't his role to perform such an action.

wooÐs · 09-06-2009, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Shauk

slap the shit out of your kids, seriously, the only reason they cry out of emotional distress instead of legitimate reasons is lack of conditioning. My dad always told me "stop crying or I'll give you something to cry about"

he was right, I had no reason to cry over spilled chocolate milk, or not getting a toy I want. That kind of immaturity needs to go away or you wind up with adults with an inflated sense of entitlement.

Oh come on lol. Children are supposed to cry - Especially 2-year-old babies. Granted, tantrums require special attention, but crying in general is perfectly acceptable.

jewels · 09-06-2009, 04:49 AM

Late to the party, but this thread has gone crazy. No one has the right to touch anyone's child under any circumstance. Period.

Crying? No big deal. Whining and crying tantrum? Most likely poor parenting. A two year old understands expectation. If a parent tells the child that he/she expects the child will behave in a store before they enter and are removed at the onset of a tantrum, this scenario would never have occurred.

If someone struck my child, I'm not quite sure how I'd react. Shock most likely. I might feel like attacking him and be angry and say something nasty. But I truly can't see myself in this position because if my child had been crying in a store, it would've been because something hurt and she would have been in my arms.

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Originally Posted by ring

Violence begets violence.

Although it's got nothing to do with the OP, there are more ways to discipline than through hitting. Hitting is a stress reliever for the parent and the kid learns nothing of value.

As a child and teen, I was slapped in the face by my mother on a consistent basis, whipped on the bare ass by my father yet continued the very behavior my parents were trying to stop. I feared them but didn't respect them and learned that if I kept up the negative behavior, I'd at least have their attention for a moment. They didn't know any better as they'd been beaten as kids, too.

I also witnessed firsthand another family's discipline through love, respect and teaching. I've adapted this approach and have found it to be quite effective.

mixedmedia · 09-06-2009, 05:21 AM

Turning your back on a two year old sitting in a cart in the middle of the Walmart to beat someone up instead of grabbing your child and leaving the scene immediately is idiotic. Sorry, but it just is.

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Originally Posted by LoganSnake

Sure it would. How is incapacitating the attacker not removing the child from danger?

The man slapped the child. Is there no conception here of measuring a situation?

I hardly see the use of arguing this with folks who, apparently, think acting like Charles Bronson is some sort of entitlement in life.

LoganSnake · 09-06-2009, 05:34 AM

Well, maybe if you dropped the holier than thou attitude and stopped thinking that people who disagree with you are wrong and tried to see our point of view without resorting to calling people morons and idiots people could make you see their point.

Actually, no. They can't. So yeah, there's no point in even trying in arguing. How about we just agree to disagree?

The_Jazz · 09-06-2009, 05:40 AM

Wow - lots of people who can't listen to directions. Here's the result of that. Don't say you weren't warned it would happen and be happy that infractions aren't being handed out.

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The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	This thread is venturing into dangerous ground, full of the possibilities of personal attacks - and there are several posts dangerously close to that line. There have been several suggestions to lock the thread by a few members. Whether or not that happens is completely dependent on all the posts that follow this one. Please tread lightly and use your back button liberally. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

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mixedmedia has all her shots. Location: Florida	So another option, say, removing your child immediately from danger. That wouldn't be your first impulse. Check, gotcha. __________________ Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce

09-06-2009, 05:34 AM	#132 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	Well, maybe if you dropped the holier than thou attitude and stopped thinking that people who disagree with you are wrong and tried to see our point of view without resorting to calling people morons and idiots people could make you see their point. Actually, no. They can't. So yeah, there's no point in even trying in arguing. How about we just agree to disagree? __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

09-06-2009, 05:40 AM	#133 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	Wow - lots of people who can't listen to directions. Here's the result of that. Don't say you weren't warned it would happen and be happy that infractions aren't being handed out. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

09-06-2009, 03:32 AM	#128 (permalink)
Shauk Confused Adult Location: Spokane, WA	slap the shit out of your kids, seriously, the only reason they cry out of emotional distress instead of legitimate reasons is lack of conditioning. My dad always told me "stop crying or I'll give you something to cry about" he was right, I had no reason to cry over spilled chocolate milk, or not getting a toy I want. That kind of immaturity needs to go away or you wind up with adults with an inflated sense of entitlement. that said, it wasn't his role to perform such an action.