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Old 08-30-2009, 11:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So... I decided to jump on the bandwagon and make my own little something.

Ask me anything concerning psychic or even new age concepts. I'm willing to tell fortunes.. but privately (AIM @ deadwaterlily or even send me a private message).

I've been a psychic since I was 15/16 after I had a near death experience from overdosing. I somehow figured out how to do what I call "heavy meditation".. I haven't read about meditation so I don't know anything about meditation beside what my spirit guides and kin spirits tell me.


Yep.. anywho.. now it's your turn. Ask away!
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Old 08-31-2009, 12:45 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 08-31-2009, 01:01 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Xerxys: those kind of questions I'd prefer you privately message to me.. just because some question might involve personal information about the querent. But, to answer your question... what code? Because throughout your life you've figured out a few codes...everyone has.. so.. for any future code: yes. Sure. :P
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Old 08-31-2009, 01:49 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 08-31-2009, 03:54 AM   #5 (permalink)
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How prevalent is mediumship or your psychic ability in your life? Do you use any physical aids to allow you to tell fortunes (objects, cards, etc.)? Can you tell your own fortune? What kind of psychic activity do you experience? How much of the psychic activity you are in contact with are you able to understand or control?
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Old 08-31-2009, 04:50 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Have you ever been asked to help with genealogy research using your gift? (I ask because I know someone that does this and I'd love to see if you come up with the same "information" that she does)

and for the record and I dont care who knows, Im a believer
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Old 08-31-2009, 07:10 AM   #7 (permalink)
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This is more interesting to me than the others.

Do you see random spirits all the time? I ask because i see occasional whisps or flashes almost daily, and on rare occasions even orbs. Spirits, for me, are almost annoying sometimes.

I don't hear too much. My brain filters most. But if I'm deep in thought and listening unintentionally, it is literally like the tv is on in the other room. When I snap to it, it goes away. Is this something you experience?

When I was a child however, some woman would talk to me all the time. I never saw her, but I definitely heard her. To this day, I think she may have been a spirit guide. I don't hear her now, but I do receive thoughts, like the incident below.

I use this little extra aide in daily life. A couple of days ago I was driving home at 2AM and there was a car in front of me in the lane to my left. I was nearly to the car when I got this feeling I should slow down. I dropped from 73 to 60, literally, then the car suddenly flies across 3 lanes to exit at the last second. If had stayed where I was, you know the outcome. Those types of events happen to me seemingly all the time. Psychics (real ones) tend to vary in the subject of what they know. In my case, I know most of what is happening in my life, like my chart is laid out in front of me.

Any of this similar to your experiences?
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Old 08-31-2009, 07:26 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Old 08-31-2009, 07:54 AM   #9 (permalink)
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As what some might consider psychic, I'll answer that one as well if you're interested. Sure, all the time. It's not like what you imply, really. I was not surprised when I went to jail for something that I would have never thought I would go to jail over, because as I was walking out that day, I distinctly heard you will go to jail if you don't get rid of [...]. I ignored that. Well, that was spot on. I was arrested that day at noon and went to jail the next day. That's when I learned I should probably listen when that happens. It's not a gut feeling, really, it's actual thoughts and concepts. But for daily stuff, like someone sneaking up on you? Yeah, we aren't ninjas, just regular people with extra stuff coming in.

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I was in the other room and another thing came to mind. I pick up on stupid shit sometimes, too. When debit cards were debuted on TV, my wife and I were dating in HS. She walked in the room and said "You know what's cool"? and without missing a beat I said "the credit card that works like a check". Her jaw dropped. We do that with each other all the time, but I pick up on her faster than she does me, usually. She's more emotionally in tune while I'm more mentally. Any time I'm stressed in our relationship, she picks up on it and starts having horrible dreams about me leaving her and whatnot, as an example. I show no outward signs, but she knows. We can't hide anything from each other LOL

Some other stupid shit: we were eating at red lobster and the waitress comes up to ask us something. I look at her and see a glint of metal in her mouth. As she was about to leave I asked her if her tongue was pierced. She looked surprised and said no, but she was seriously considering getting it done. Why the hell do I need to know that? That's retarded.

Another time I was getting some help with chem101. My tutor was a math genius. No kidding. He did the problems in his head as he was doing them on the calculator. Anyways I was working on a problem on paper and stumped, while he was working on it outside of my view. I heard him say the answer once, then he said it again. I said I got you the first time, then he said he only said it once. I sat there for a sec a little embarrassed, then said I do that sometimes and we moved on.
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Old 08-31-2009, 11:49 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Old 08-31-2009, 09:22 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I can't control it as well as I'd like, so it pops up randomly and I intuitively know random things that have happened or are going to happen. I control it better when I'm using tarot cards or dowsing pendulums. I can tell my own fortune with these things.. but without them, I cannot. I'm not sure why this is. :/

Some psychic activity I experience are: seeing spirits, hearing spirits (more common), feeling energies from objects and people and animals, being able to communicate with kin spirits. Talking with spirits is WAYY easier for me than trying to figure out what's going to happen in the next ten minutes. Also.. I can't read peoples' minds. I'm psychic.. not telepathic. :P





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Have you ever been asked to help with genealogy research using your gift? (I ask because I know someone that does this and I'd love to see if you come up with the same "information" that she does)

I haven't trie this yet.. but it sounds interesting.



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This is more interesting to me than the others.

Do you see random spirits all the time? I ask because i see occasional whisps or flashes almost daily, and on rare occasions even orbs. Spirits, for me, are almost annoying sometimes.

I don't hear too much. My brain filters most. But if I'm deep in thought and listening unintentionally, it is literally like the tv is on in the other room. When I snap to it, it goes away. Is this something you experience?

When I was a child however, some woman would talk to me all the time. I never saw her, but I definitely heard her. To this day, I think she may have been a spirit guide. I don't hear her now, but I do receive thoughts, like the incident below.

I use this little extra aide in daily life. A couple of days ago I was driving home at 2AM and there was a car in front of me in the lane to my left. I was nearly to the car when I got this feeling I should slow down. I dropped from 73 to 60, literally, then the car suddenly flies across 3 lanes to exit at the last second. If had stayed where I was, you know the outcome. Those types of events happen to me seemingly all the time. Psychics (real ones) tend to vary in the subject of what they know. In my case, I know most of what is happening in my life, like my chart is laid out in front of me.

Any of this similar to your experiences?

I see random spirits.. there are a LOT of wandering spirits. I see some of them but not all. I'm guessing some have more energy than others to be seen, but I'm really not sure why some show themselves to me and others don't. My spirit guides tell me a lot of useless things spontaneously.. but for things like that they tell me right away and pretty clearly. But, for some things, like things concerning my depression, they either don't tell me anything to help me.. or I can't hear them. So, when my friend tried to kill herself, I had this sudden urge to call her. but, when I tried to kill myself... I heard and felt nothing.




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MANY many times. For instance: did you know that wandering spirits are ALL around you? Right now? I've learned to tune them out but I know they're still there. Also, I'm still surprised and very confused as to why I can't use my psychic abilities to help myself out when I need it most. Also.. I get "writer's block" but for my psychic abilities. There's sometimes just a blockage and then all of a sudden.. it can go away. Also, I'm surprised that everybody can have psychic ability, but most nobody seems to be interested. :/






Vigilante, haha.. That's how it is. It happens randomly and mostly for the most USELESS things.



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I never heard of it.. It sounds a little fun.. but I wouldn't call what I have paranormal.. just because almost anybody can do it, too.. so.. I don't consider it as paranormal as the yeti or telekinesis or something. I would probably do it on one of my extra psychic days.
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Old 08-31-2009, 09:40 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I see random spirits.. there are a LOT of wandering spirits. I see some of them but not all. I'm guessing some have more energy than others to be seen, but I'm really not sure why some show themselves to me and others don't. My spirit guides tell me a lot of useless things spontaneously.. but for things like that they tell me right away and pretty clearly. But, for some things, like things concerning my depression, they either don't tell me anything to help me.. or I can't hear them. So, when my friend tried to kill herself, I had this sudden urge to call her. but, when I tried to kill myself... I heard and felt nothing.
THANK YOU. I seriously sometimes wondered if I was going crazy. I knew better, but damn. Yes, I've explained to my wife what I perceive as the same; wandering spirits "just passing through", as i often put it. They don't stick around but they do definitely cruise by, sometimes interacting with me, more often not. I see them at least once a week, and typically ignore them.

There was a man that seemed to be hanging around the house shortly after we moved in. My wife saw him on the stairs in shorts one time, like he was going to go jog or something. I felt him from time to time and tried to have dialog with him via a headset/mic, but nothing came of it. I set up the mic for a few nights and heard papers moving in an unoccupied room (this one) at night. I quit recording because I was afraid I might be shooting up a flare for others. After that he went away, I think. He's definitely not as present as he was before.

I hear very little now. I get the thoughts, but never the audible words. I filter a great deal and like I said before, either the TV is on or it's off. I suppose one that can be heard by all can be heard by me, but it's nothing like when I was a child. I'm glad too, because I would have a hard time with my "private time" if I was being bombarded by voices. Which by the way, I have had visits in the shower and such. I get real irritated when that happens and tell them to leave out loud and very forcefully. I get angry enough to fight, haha.

Like being overtly psychic, those seemingly telepathic moments are fleeting. I had several when I was meditating on it for months, always at the back of my mind. Other than that, I get impressions. I know if someone is upset, horny, etc, but nothing really coherent. Maybe that's empathy, but I don't differentiate.

I'm just glad someone else has these experiences. Ugh.
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Old 09-01-2009, 02:16 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Is Paul or Ringo going to be the next to go?

I don't mean for this to sound rude, but they're very blunt questions.

What makes you certain that this is psychic ability and not mental illness or brain damage caused by your overdose?
What makes you certain that you're not just particularly empathetic and easily able to read people easily and subconsciously draw conclusions?
Have you, in your personal time, done any sort of controlled testing of your abilities to rule out cognitive biases, particularly confirmation bias? Stuff like writing down what you feel and comparing the number of hits and misses.
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Old 09-01-2009, 05:32 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:52 AM   #16 (permalink)
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MSD, in my case, it's completely subjective. I can't reproduce it, or even control what shows up. The only thing I have are a few instances where people experienced it with me. In one case something screamed at us. My hispanic friend was as white as me, and I'm damn white. It was very obvious and very loud. No way I could reproduce that, and personal video cameras were hard to come by back then. Even so, there's no way I could have caught it on tape, it was too random.

So it's personal experiences, that's all I can chalk my stuff up to. It's enough for me, I'm not out to prove anything. I don't even consider myself "psychic" in that talking to people's dead grandma sense, it's just a tool I use in daily life. If something seems amiss, I pay attention, like the wreck I almost had last week. Would it have happened? Maybe not. Maybe so. Who knows. But it was close enough to make me hit the brakes even when I backed off first.
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:43 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Old 09-02-2009, 09:53 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I can't help you. I don't know if ametc can or not. You should PM her if you haven't already.
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Old 09-02-2009, 12:36 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Focus on it. Not in a literal way, but keep it at the back of your head. It may take weeks or months, but seek and you shall find. DO NOT, seriously, do not, try to bring them to you. Do not put recording devices in your home, or use a Ouija board. It's like a beacon, and if you become sensitive, you will not like the result. Just look for signs, pay attention to the small stuff, and it will slowly become apparent. It may help, as cheesy as this sounds, to go to places where people experience spirits or ghosts. See if you run into anything. Even now, when I hear something out loud, it freaks me right the fuck out. I know damn well I am impervious, but I still freak out. It's instinct. You'll see, trust me

Don't forget this: KNOW what you are experiencing is real. You will question your sanity at times, but when you have others with you and they experience it too, you will have the validation you need to determine the reality of the situation.
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I'm guessing some have more energy than others to be seen, but I'm really not sure why some show themselves to me and others don't. My spirit guides tell me a lot of useless things spontaneously.. but for things like that they tell me right away and pretty clearly. But, for some things, like things concerning my depression, they either don't tell me anything to help me.. or I can't hear them. So, when my friend tried to kill herself, I had this sudden urge to call her. but, when I tried to kill myself... I heard and felt nothing.
That's interesting. It fits with one of my theories that angels/gods/supernatural beings/what-have-you either can't or are forbidden by God to mess with our free will. So when your friend is about to die they can tell you about it because you still have a choice on what to do. Whereas if you decide to kill yourself that's your choice and the spirits aren't allowed to try and change your mind or effect your choice in any way. Is this consistent with your experiences?

For example if there is an angel/spirit thing watching over you they can't directly interfere with your life but they can go try to tell someone else to get them to make the choice to help (or hinder) you. It's like the spirits are using a loop hole in the rules to interact with the living.

Probably the result of some dead lawyer's spirit Guess they are good for something!
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Old 09-02-2009, 05:12 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Have you, in your personal time, done any sort of controlled testing of your abilities to rule out cognitive biases, particularly confirmation bias? Stuff like writing down what you feel and comparing the number of hits and misses.
I've spoken with other psychics and we have very similar experiences. Some experiences seem unexplainable. For instance, several times I've predicted that somebody was going to die. Never a specific person.. but a general relation to the person.. and a person in the category always dies when I had expected it to occur. Some information I'm not told by spirits or can't sense (I'm told it's information "nobody needs to know"). I always test myself and like to try out new things. Online readings are the most difficult since I'm most unable to read energies from such far distances. The easiest readings are through the phone and in person (I feel the energies better). I've tried reading through skype.. but it doesn't work well for some reason. When I do a reading, I usually write it down.. so I can look back at it when I think it has happened. It's mostly hits. Though, as I keep reminding people, they have the power to change their future any way they wish. I just predict what should happen if they wish not to change or react to current settings and circumstances. Though, that's not saying I'm guessing what will happen.. I'll give you an example:

My friend was far along in her pregnancy and she wanted to know if it was going to be a boy or a girl (she hadn't checked because she wanted it to be a surprise). I kept getting the feeling of a loss. Not neccesarily a death but just a loss. I wrote down that I had that feeling, but I didn't tell her about it.. instead I told her what the sex was going to be. The next month she had a miscarriage. It's not like I realized she was going to have a miscarriage. readings are very vague and I'm only aware of certain things.. not everything.

Like I said before, I'm psychic, but my "powers" aren't as strong as some psychics. I'm still learning how to control how much and what I know.



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Lots of meditation and this weird way of sleeping where I feel my soul exits my body. I totally forgot what it's called right now. :P Also! I work with tarot cards and pendulums and other forms of fortune telling. It helps me tune my psychic senses and energy better. Also, what vigilante said.




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That's interesting. It fits with one of my theories that angels/gods/supernatural beings/what-have-you either can't or are forbidden by God to mess with our free will. So when your friend is about to die they can tell you about it because you still have a choice on what to do. Whereas if you decide to kill yourself that's your choice and the spirits aren't allowed to try and change your mind or effect your choice in any way. Is this consistent with your experiences?

For example if there is an angel/spirit thing watching over you they can't directly interfere with your life but they can go try to tell someone else to get them to make the choice to help (or hinder) you. It's like the spirits are using a loop hole in the rules to interact with the living.

Probably the result of some dead lawyer's spirit Guess they are good for something!

I was reading one of Sylvia Browne's books the other day and she makes it more simpler to understand.. though I think she added a little extra (either that or she senses it way better than anybody I've met). Spirits can persuade us to stay "on the right track".. but we have our own freewill and choices. We can stay on the right track or we can become a drug addict, criminal, or other "low-life".. but our spirits will always try to persuade to come back to the right track. Eventually most people do. those who don't get the chance to do better in another life.

For instance: In past lives, I discovered, I have killed myself. Now, in this life, I deal with very similar issues as in my previous lives.. but this is my new chance at making it "right" or better. I forget this a lot.. especially when I'm dealing with bouts of depression. But, none-the-less, this is what I was told happens (by my spirit guides).


We have a course we can follow.. but lots of people stray from it because ..well..they CAN.
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OBE is what you were talking about, out of body experience. I have these once in a while, but I recall only a handful. I have no conscious control over them, insomuch as they happen and if they do, it wasn't because of something I consciously did. Some of my more recent ones have literally changed my outlook on life. If you're ever on AIM when I'm home, I'll see if you're around and tell you about them.
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Ok this is a real question.....Does my grandmother know what i did the day she died???
Does my dead grandmother know what I doing right now?

If that's too specific, do dead people know what is going on the lives of those who mattered to them and to whom they mattered?

Are they watching us? Watching over us, etc....
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Old 09-03-2009, 10:52 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Of course they're watching over us.. but they're in a more open mindset.. so they usually don't get all, "ew, gross" on us. :P
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What exactly do you do? Is it proved to be accurate? Do you have a log of all of the times you've tried to use your power and succeeded or failed?
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That is for her to answer for herself, but really, who would? I know I wouldn't. If I logged every time I saw something, I would either have a stack of paper a mile high or a box of tapes from the 80's to now. It would go like this:

Some dude walked by and disappeared. I have no clue who it was, but they ignored me completely. date: setpember 4th, 2009. How...boring. It's not something that interests me enough to do that. It's not a career, it's not even a hobby. It's just there.
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If you're saying something that is scientifically impossible is happening to you that often, you'd be out of your mind to not write it down. You are proving science wrong. You are proving the supernatural real. You are going against the greatest scientific minds in the history of the Earth and you don't think it's worth writing down these events?
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Of course they're watching over us.. but they're in a more open mindset.. so they usually don't get all, "ew, gross" on us. :P
Do they actually have the power to send us signs, signals, good-will, or otherwise influence us, etc.?

also, where in the universe are they located, exactly?

I always see baseball players and other sports figures throwing kisses at the sky. Is there any reason whatsover to think our dearl departed are literally "above" us?
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Old 09-04-2009, 12:41 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Meh. Science is here, anything supernatural is immeasurably beyond here. When it comes down to it, if you believe in such things, science becomes a joke as does all of this plane of existence. That's not a justification for ignoring, it's just where I've come with this. I'm not here to prove anything. I'm here to live and learn. If someone proves it then I could sit back and say "I told you so" but other than that, I don't feel the drive to show the world anything. If anything, I'd like to meet more people that have experiences like mine so we can compare notes, which of course means not in the literal sense. It's not about making someone believe, it's about trying to make sense of what I see as an individual.

However I do see your point, it would be fascinating if the masses could see it for the first time and collectively say "oh shit!". Really, you can. Go watch a show like ghosthunters. Jason and Grant don't bullshit. I wouldn't watch any other show, just that one. Watch the lighthouse episode. Last time I put the video on this forum, no one replied with anything. I think the silence may have meant something, but I didn't bother reading into it much. Even so, when the video is put right in front of a skeptic, they say it's BS, editing, CGI, whatever. For them it is a catch 22 - if they see it on video, it's BS but if they see it in real life they will believe (or simply pass it off as a moment of insanity and move on). However since they don't believe or since they ignore it as momentary insanity, they will never see it in real life. I saw the vid, and I've seen movement just like what you see in that vid, but with my own eyes. It's real folks, call it what you want. But, when you see people's reactions (and perhaps your own) saying "oh that's just bullshit" then what are we, as people who do know, supposed to do? Just live life, and learn what we can, as individuals. Now you see why I don't bother.

Additionally, I don't have the mental/spiritual skill to prove anything. Most of what I've experienced would only be a personal experience, with a few rare cases. Words are words, and to make a log would be no different than reading a book written by a psychic, which is in many cases, a laughable tale to the outsider.

Believe or not. This isn't religion, it's spirituality. You take what you want from it and leave the rest. We have no desire to "convert" anyone, at least most people I've met, don't.

BTW the log entry I put in as example was real. I watched a figure approximately 5 1/2 - 6 feet tall walk half way across my bedroom last night, with no apparent knowledge of me or my wife laying in bed 4 feet away. The form was blob-like but humanoid in shape, and all I saw was profile, no detail. It was darker than it's surroundings, as many are. That means nothing in terms of "negative" or whatever. It walked to the left and went straight through the closet door on its way. It lasted for ~2 seconds, so I had plenty of time to realize I was looking at it and it wasn't going away.

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Do they actually have the power to send us signs, signals, good-will, or otherwise influence us, etc.?

also, where in the universe are they located, exactly?

I always see baseball players and other sports figures throwing kisses at the sky. Is there any reason whatsover to think our dearl departed are literally "above" us?
I'll answer in order according to what I've learned. These are my truths, and truth may be relative to the individual. Keep that in mind.

Yes. Ignore them and one of two things will happen - either they get stronger/more apparent, or they go away. They don't actually go away, you just don't get the meaning. I see signs sometimes, but they are often reminders to keep me grounded, rather than showing me that I'm loved. Some are both.

They are not in this universe. This universe is just a big ball, or whatever shape you prefer, since we can't really determine it anyways. They are just the other side of a "veil" ( the common term used) on another plane of existence. I've seen some strange things relating to this plane, but it's true meaning is a complete mystery to me. I try to accept not understanding it, or how this all ties together.

Nothing should be literal when it comes to this. Sure they could be above, or below, or seemingly out of sync, appearing halfway through the floor. Our minds perceive in ways that we can't explain completely, almost dream-like. We try to make sense of things that don't make sense, and they try to show in ways that make sense to us. With those translations, sometimes things just look..weird. Sure, above is a decent analogy, since one might think of that plane as a "higher" plane of existence.
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Old 09-04-2009, 01:18 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Sometimes I start thinking the human mind has its limits, and that if everything were right there for us to understand we'd either not see it, or have our minds completely fucked by it.
Humanity might strive for understanding and knowledge, the next step in evolution, but will it happen in your lifetime?
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Old 09-04-2009, 08:24 PM   #33 (permalink)
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However I do see your point, it would be fascinating if the masses could see it for the first time and collectively say "oh shit!". Really, you can. Go watch a show like ghosthunters.
I just can't get past this part. Do people seriously eat this shit up? I guess they do because that's why the show is on TV. The TV show isn't on to show ghosts or to show supernatural events...it's to make money. It's not a documentary, it's entertainment, and nothing on the show can be believed because of that. If this show were real then scientists and researchers would be all over the grounds that they've visited.

I am getting a vibe of "you can only experience these events if you want to." I think this is the dagger in the heart of such arguments. I really enjoy debating stuff like this with "believers" and trying to debunk supernatural or spiritual events, but I am very curious as to what you and others are actually experiencing. I wish there was a way to see what you see, to experience what you experience. I know that you wouldn't make up bullshit out of thin air, but I also know that a creative mind can go a long way. If you want to see or experience something bad enough then chances are it will happen in your lifetime if you get my meaning.
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Old 09-04-2009, 08:37 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Humanity might strive for understanding and knowledge, the next step in evolution, but will it happen in your lifetime?
The human mind does have its limits and 50 million years of evolution say that human beings are made to think and use everything around them as tools. It will not happen in my lifetime but a time shall come as we get better at understanding things.
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Old 09-05-2009, 12:18 AM   #35 (permalink)
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The reason I call bullshit to all this is because of this ...
The purpose of humanity is to understand everything. EVERYTHING. Objects that cannot be understood serve every purpose in hindering us from achieving enlightenment.
Not true. The person understands what he or she wants to understand and tosses the rest. Are you an astrophysicist? You could be. Are you a genius-level mathematician? You could be. What defines a jack of all trades? Knowledge in all but master of none. The point is, you take what you want and don't bother with the rest. I don't know programming, but I know the shit out of computer hardware. I would like to program, it's not boring to me, but I just don't feel like trying to figure it out. I don't think that way.

Next.
No I'm just kidding, but seriously that's not the way we work as a species, or we would all be einstein/mozart/jesus all rolled into one.

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I just can't get past this part. Do people seriously eat this shit up? I guess they do because that's why the show is on TV. The TV show isn't on to show ghosts or to show supernatural events...it's to make money. It's not a documentary, it's entertainment, and nothing on the show can be believed because of that. If this show were real then scientists and researchers would be all over the grounds that they've visited.

I am getting a vibe of "you can only experience these events if you want to." I think this is the dagger in the heart of such arguments. I really enjoy debating stuff like this with "believers" and trying to debunk supernatural or spiritual events, but I am very curious as to what you and others are actually experiencing. I wish there was a way to see what you see, to experience what you experience. I know that you wouldn't make up bullshit out of thin air, but I also know that a creative mind can go a long way. If you want to see or experience something bad enough then chances are it will happen in your lifetime if you get my meaning.
Don't get that vibe. People are shocked into believing in a spiritual realm every day, around the world. If the event is strong enough, you'll get it. No one is immune, it's just a matter of whether some spirit/cosmic force/whatever wants you to know strongly enough to snap you awake.

I mentioned the ghosthunters vid only because that is exactly what I saw last night. I don't care what the motive is, the vid was real. Good for them if they make a living off of it. I applaud them. I have no reason to make this up, in fact I wondered to myself whether it was worth bringing up at all. I wish I could show you, but I am not going to put cameras around my house to try to prove it. I'm not out to prove anything, and I personally don't care if a person believes or not. It's my truth, and I can happily walk around the world with a smile on my face, keeping it to myself. I do like to talk about with others that see this, too though. I'm not trying to be elitist or something, it's just that, for me, everyone will know one day. There are many truths beyond this that I do not know. You and I will both know these truths one day. I am 100% sure at this point that we do not blink out of existence, but what really happens is anyone's guess. Maybe it doesn't even happen the same for every person. Maybe a southern baptist really does go to his or her own hell. Maybe a hinduist really does reincarnate repeatedly. Who knows. No one here, that's who.

I agree with the creative mind. I have had times when I KNEW what I saw was not real, or I was making up things and trying to see patterns, like seeing a face in a wooden door. But there have been times when I knew, without a doubt, that it was real. The woman I heard all the time when I was a child, that was real. The screaming thing that my friend and I heard, that was very real. The invisible force that moved plants in the woods right in front of 3 of us, that was obviously real as well. I have no desire to make that up, it was real, period. I have questioned it in the past, almost felt like maybe God wasn't even real, but then something happens that makes me go "oh shit!" and I'm back in this mysterious reality with no answers to satisfy my own curiosity.

If you're really interested, seek. It'll come to you. Your hair will stand up and you'll have an "oh shit!" moment, then you'll get it.
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If you're really interested, seek. It'll come to you. Your hair will stand up and you'll have an "oh shit!" moment, then you'll get it.
That's the thing, I AM interested, I do want to experience these instances, it simply never happens. I don't believe any of the stuff you said really happened, I think it's an overactive imagination. My mind doesn't let me believe in something that can't be proven. But even though I am a huge skeptic, I still want to experience this phenomena. For you, you think of these experiences as normal, but I've never had one, ever, in my entire life, whether I was a kid or teenager or adult. Nothing even remotely odd has ever happened that couldn't be explained. If I did ever experience anything like you describe it would be the best day of my life. It would change my life completely. But it hasn't happened, and it won't happen, so what does that mean?
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If you're saying something that is scientifically impossible is happening to you that often, you'd be out of your mind to not write it down. You are proving science wrong. You are proving the supernatural real. You are going against the greatest scientific minds in the history of the Earth and you don't think it's worth writing down these events?
If you're going to get all scientific method on us at least represent science properly. Statements like the above is what pushes people like ametec away from the public and real testing. First of all, "science" is "proven wrong" every damn day. It's called learning. We test theories, some are right, some are wrong, some we think are right for hundreds of years only to prove them wrong and improve our understanding. There is nothing in science that says something *can't* exist only that it has not turned up any evidence so far.

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I don't know but there are plenty of reasonable answers both logically and philosophically. Like, statistically some people just aren't ever going to run into the supernatural (if its real), or philosophically you just aren't ready yet. Your current path is not meant to take you there.
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That's the thing, I AM interested, I do want to experience these instances, it simply never happens. I don't believe any of the stuff you said really happened, I think it's an overactive imagination. My mind doesn't let me believe in something that can't be proven. But even though I am a huge skeptic, I still want to experience this phenomena. For you, you think of these experiences as normal, but I've never had one, ever, in my entire life, whether I was a kid or teenager or adult. Nothing even remotely odd has ever happened that couldn't be explained. If I did ever experience anything like you describe it would be the best day of my life. It would change my life completely. But it hasn't happened, and it won't happen, so what does that mean?
It that were the case, then by my experiences, that is simply what is meant for you. No one is the same. You may never experience the delusions of alzheimers, or the multiple orgasms of a woman (except zeraph...freak. LOL), or the pain of a thousand bullet ants that a south american boy endures to become a man. That means nothing, other than it wasn't meant for you. Let me reiterate, that is my experience and the way I see things. It doesn't have to apply to you and I am not projecting it like you should see it that way.

But that is not to say it won't happen. Your life isn't over yet. It may be that you have no conscious capacity for communication in either direction. If you want proof, try some experiments. You don't have to use standard protocols like no less than 3 repetitions, etc. Just go out to a known haunted place, hold a digital recorder and when it's empty, talk to the people that might be there. You may be completely shocked, or you may not. People don't react on cue in real life, so they won't after life either. It may take a few tries (all ghost hunters know this) but eventually you'll hear something wild. If you're lucky, you'll hear something without the mic, and that is what will make you have the best day of your life.

As for overactive imagination, I understand. If you've never seen it, you don't see how I could have. It has got to be in my mind. I have a disorder or a chemical imbalance. I'm making it up. Something has to justify this. I do understand, really. However, I haven't come this far on delusions. My friends weren't simultaneously delusional. The objects moved weren't somehow affected by our minds. The voice did not come out of my mind and into his. I'm skipping all the ones that I told you about and experienced alone, and holding up for you the ones that I did not. Those have no explanation.

I haven't told you the more profound things that have happened, not by a long shot. Nor will I. Events that had high emotional states for me, or for both my wife and I, are not up for debate. If you thought simply seeing a man walk across my room was weird...ha. There's a reason why those things barely affect me now.

But really, try out a recorder, unless you have something else in mind. I think you may be completely surprised by what you run into. You don't have to worry about labels like "you're a ghosthunter now" etc. You can be as discreet or as overt as you like.
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