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Yes, she wasn't under the influence of alcohol or drugs. IMHO | 2 | 6.45% | |
No, she must have been wasted. IMHO | 15 | 48.39% | |
Dunno, not enough information. | 14 | 45.16% | |
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08-09-2009, 06:56 AM | #41 (permalink) |
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So, you are willing to read between the lines and speculate on it even though there are no real facts?
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08-09-2009, 08:00 AM | #42 (permalink) |
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First, I'm with other's in that I highly doubt BAC was determined via a Breathalyzer. But how they came up with the BAC isn't really important.
Second, I'd be a hard sell on the suicide theory. Took herself, four members (children) of her own family and three other people out by doing a head-on... after driving how many miles the wrong way? Females don't normally commit suicide via violent methods. I think the stats say poison/overdose is the leading, by far, cause of female suicide. I didn't know her, don't know all the facts so I could be wrong but it doesn't sound right to me. Third, facts are not debatable nor are they public opinion... true. But people make mistakes on tests, happens all the time. Is it possible the BAC and the THC (had marijuana in her system too, right?) tests were both botched? Yeah, could happen but unless they just mixed up her samples with someone else's I don't see that as very likely. Messing up on one test seems highly more likely then screwing up two. So I don't know what to make of it. Articles like This seem to be full of contradictions. She was fine an hour before the crash then had 10 drinks and smoked some pot before the crash? Was she driving down the road binge drinking and toking? Could happen, I've pulled people over and found a half empty bottle in their lap and warm blunt in the ash tray. Seems odd to me she would engage in these behaviors with her child and three nieces in the vehicle. I hope the family gets the private autopsy and for their sake I hope they take their own tissue samples. Until the tests, which seem to be in question, are redone I vote "Don't know" When independent tests are done I might be willing to change my vote.
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08-09-2009, 08:32 AM | #43 (permalink) | |
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Actually, the article says that she was "fine", based on the attentiveness of the McDonalds employees, prior to 10:30 am. The crash occurred around 1:30 pm. And in a phone call at 1:02 pm "Schuler's 8-year-old niece told her father that Schuler wasn't feeling well and had trouble seeing and speaking."
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08-09-2009, 09:25 AM | #44 (permalink) | |
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a couple of quick points...
yes the BAC is a fact and it was taken directly from blood so its a more accurate reading than what you would get from just a breath sample... and driving for driving the wrong way on the highway....i might have forgot to mention that she drove the wrong way for about 2 miles before crashing...i could see driving he wrong way for 50 feet maybe even 300 feet....but two miles... ---------- Post added at 01:25 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:15 PM ---------- Quote:
trouble seeing and speaking would be a classic sign of impairment due to alcoholic beverage consumption....in training for looking for impaired drivers officers are told a sign would be someone leaning forward in there seat with there face closer to the windshield
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08-09-2009, 06:46 PM | #45 (permalink) | |
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yet another wrong way driver.
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08-10-2009, 06:41 AM | #46 (permalink) |
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I was tempted not to type my opinion in.
I'm undecided, I'd certainly want to see the second autopsy before jumping on either bandwagon for a few reasons. 1) Labs make mistakes, more then the general public would believe (personal sources and experiences), for a few years now I've had major tests ran at different labs when it involves me or my family. The ME doesn't usually run the tests, he or she take the samples bundles them up and ships them to a lab (at least thats the procedure where I live). 2) After almost 2 decades of running the highways and byways for a living I've seen people drive down major roads and highways the wrong way more times then I'd want to count. And yes sometimes I've helped pickup the pieces and testify in court as to what I saw and did. Actually I almost did it myself once because of a misplaced sign when a road was under going some repairs. 3) Yes most women tend to suicide with drugs/poison (according to statistics anyways) but who is to say she didn't just snap because of something that happened on the way to where she was going? 4) Drinking that much AND doing drugs and then driving on a highway with not only her own children but her nieces as well makes me just a bit skeptical, not nearly enough to rule it out mind you but it does raise a flag in my mind. 5) Why would she leave her cell phone behind like that? Or did I just misread something? "On Sunday, July 26, Long Island resident Diane Schuler left her cell phone near the bridge before driving a van carrying her three nieces and own two children the wrong way on the Taconic State Parkway." I dunno, if I was on a jury with this case with the evidence so far presented I doubt if I could make a decision. |
08-10-2009, 08:19 PM | #48 (permalink) |
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What a terrible story to read about, never had heard of it before tonight.
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08-11-2009, 08:03 AM | #49 (permalink) |
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From USA Today:
A half-hour before the crash, Schuler pulled over to call her brother, Warren Hance, and said she was feeling disoriented and had trouble seeing. Hance said he told her to stay put and he would drive to her. Schuler drove off, leaving her cellphone at the roadside stop. Instead of heading south, toward home, she drove north. Witnesses interviewed by police indicate Schuler may have been the woman whom other drivers had reported seeing before the crash. Police had received calls from drivers complaining of a woman in a red minivan filled with kids driving on Route 17 and also on Interstate 87. Callers complained the vehicle was "straddling two lanes, tailgating, flashing its headlights and beeping the horn." Seems a little fishy to me. Granted, if she called her brother, she should have taken his advice and stayed put. But drunks and stoners don't call relatives to report they're not feeling well. It may seem a little far-fetched, but I'd check if she might have stopped along the way home for some refreshments that got laced by some employees who thought it might be funny to get some soccer mom stoned. Other reports indicate she was diabetic, and the symptoms she described could be attributed to hypoglycemia. She was obviously showing bad judgment by flashing her lights and honking her horn to get attention, instead of just pulling over and waiting for help. Perhaps she was hoping she could get someone to stop and call for help, realizing she left her cell phone at the rest stop. In any case, it's a tragedy for everyone involved.
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08-11-2009, 10:03 AM | #50 (permalink) |
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it certainly would be possible for her to unknowningly consume something that had been laced with thc....but to drink the amount of alcohol that she consumed unknowningly would be impossible....and they found a bottle of vodka in the van...
its a mystery for sure
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08-14-2009, 07:31 AM | #51 (permalink) | |
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maybe she was going to go to sleep while driving?????
TACONIC CRASH MOM, DIANE SCHULER'S FAMILY KNEW SHE SMOKED MARIJUANA - New York Post Quote:
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08-14-2009, 09:32 AM | #52 (permalink) |
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Interesting but doesn't explain the BAC. No word on a second, independent autopsy?
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08-14-2009, 09:59 AM | #53 (permalink) |
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No, nothing as of yet.
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08-14-2009, 10:05 AM | #54 (permalink) |
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Not even word if they can get one done?
Seems like if they really wanted one they could get one. I mean I don't know that. But now that it's come out that people knew she toked, maybe they don't want one. Might just prove they're wrong. Then they won't be able to claim it was botched.
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