squeeeb

fat people consume more food, so they put a greater demand on the food supply. to satiate the demands of Chief Rubbing Thighs and the rest of the tribe, animals aren't raised naturally, but in factories, resulting in less healthy meat for all and animal cruelty.

but the effects are more. with all the animals pent up in cells, close together, fed on shit cheap food to fatten them quick enough for sale, they are given antibiotics and other drugs which not only make them less healthy and less tasty, the concentrated waste from the animal factories flushed into the ecosystem causes things like huge fishkills (remember the massive fishkills in the carolinas years ago?) and just fuck up the environment.

fat people can't fit into small cars, so they need big gas guzzling behemoths to carry them around. more oil and gas needed, more drilling, more using up the resources, etc etc.

fat people have more health problems, causing higher insurance rates and higher health care costs, not to mention clogging up the health care system like they clog up their arteries, affecting us all.

you still think fat people are just jolly, innocent wonderful people?

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, who put out materials to educate and help prevent child abductions, have compiled a profile of a person most likely to abduct newborns and infants from hospitals (i work in a hospital, we have to know these things). among common traits of child abductors in hospitals are overweight women. interestingly enough, about two weeks ago a nearby hospital in our area had an attempted child abduction from their pediatric ward. it was an overweight woman. go figure.

your thoughts?

ready........GO!

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Strange Famous

Bit harsh. Being overweight is bad enough on the self esteem withou being blame for harming the world.

I would say that Western capitalism is doing the harm.

People in some countries still starve and yet we die off from the diseases of plenty

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Hektore

Are you really arguing that if there were no fat people then 'industrial farming' would have never developed?

...Really?

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My current weight: 155 lbs.

My diet so far today: Two slices of toast with peanut butter, two stalks of celery, some cauliflower and some broccoli (about a quarter cup each), one grilled cheese sandwich, three sausages on bread. I'll eat again around 9:00, but don't know what I'm making. I'll also likely snack on some fresh fruit either before or after dinner -- either an orange or some grapes, depending on what mood I'm in when I open the refrigerator door.

Being overweight doesn't necessarily mean eating more. Most athletes consume far more food than average due to increased energy demands, and are also more likely to injure themselves than a sedentary individual (thus require hospital care). I consume more than average when I'm feeling good simply because I'm reasonably active and have a naturally high metabolic rate to begin with, yet I've never in my life weighed over 165 lbs. It's a struggle for me to avoid being underweight.

I'm not a fan of obesity, and have openly stated multiple times that I can't comprehend how someone could ever allow themselves to get to the point of weighing in excess of 300 lbs. At the same time, I recognize that it's a personal choice, and in terms of social consciousness it's certainly not the most devastating one to be made.

Skinny people can carpool. Go out to the freeway and take a look at how many vehicles have single occupants. Take a look at how many are big SUV's or trucks.

If someone chooses to live an unhealthy lifestyle, that's their call. If they get fat as a consequence of it, it's no skin off my nose. I suppose one could argue that there are greater economic effects, but I'm not buying that it's a significant impact in the grand scheme of things. I may not understand the decisions that go into it, but if a person is truly happy with themselves as an overweight individual (or at least content to the point that they're not willing to make the necessary changes to correct the issue), then I don't see where it's my place to tell them any different.

It's easy to try to villify one group. Fat people/smokers/soccer moms/bald guys are ruining the world because of this, that or the other. The reality is never so simple, but people as a rule don't like complicated.

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noodle

I used to be a fat person. I was 220 lbs. I considered myself fat.
I lost 94 pounds. My demands on the worlds resources didn't change.
Except maybe I demanded more oxygen then.
I still mostly eat the same way, monetarily, sometimes more expensively since I lost weight.
I'm not sure that my marshmallow, pasta, and bread consumption when I was very overweight was too taxing to the resources of the planet.
I was actually vegetarian during most of my overweight periods.
And had less visits to the doctor than I do now.
Maybe I'm an anomaly, but I'm going on my experience.

And what's funny is that in my town 95% of the drivers of SmartCars are morbidly obese. It's hilarious to see because it does kinda look like a clown car. But their carbon footprint in that respect is smaller than mine.

I'm trying to see your point here, squeeb, but I'm not sure that I do.

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Obesity is a symptom of a broken consumer culture. There are impacts of that all up and down the line, including some laid out in the OP (thought not all of them... Fat people are kidnappers? Really??). But blaming fat people for that is like treating the AIDS patient for their pneumonia.

Giant Hamburger

They are eating the babies!

There was a Dutch study that concluded that healthy people who live longer are more of a cost burden on the health care system. So would you let them eat their babies in peace if they promised not to sit next to you?

Fremen

squeeeb, my respect for you just dropped.

I know, you couldn't care less.

/fat guy

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yournamehere

I would say that there's a connection between obesity and the way food is produced in the U.S.
But I think you've got it backwards.

I agree slightly about health care - once all the smokers have died or quit, I'm sure obese people will be the next group to suffer legal persecution.
But if you really want to save the health care system, let's just kill everyone under the age of 12 - they're the ones who are always getting sick and infecting everyone else.
Let's criminalize childhood.

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It's okay, the new surgeon general is like 200 pounds.

A true representation of the way the country is going.

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hunnychile

Well squeeb...ya better just Nuke Ohio, cuz there's a lot of huge Fatsos here...Oh and by the way...take out Louisianna, too, while your at it... that's one of the fattest States in the Union. Just save California esp. in the richer trendy counties like Marin for example & Orange and the Hollywood hills and surrounding canyons - where it's "illegal to be more than 5 pounds" overweight!

By the looks of your post,
you are NOT gonna want Government Healthcare for Everyone.
Those Fatties are gonna be too expensive to cover, huh?!? Wow, how Hilter-like.

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Tully Mars

Oh great another dump on fat people thread.

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Punk.of.Ages

Dude, I'm skinny as sin, and I can eat double what most of my overweight friends can.

You're really attacking these problems from the wrong angle, squeeeb. Getting rid of fatties won't fix any of them.

Besides, being as I LOVE chubby girls, fat people make my world a much better place...

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Willravel

Admiral Galson is 200 lbs.?

snowy

I was just shy of 195 lbs at my peak weight. I now weigh 145 at last measure. I eat more now than I did then, oddly enough. I consume about the same amount of meat; I've never been a big carnivore (though I do love a good steak). However, I DID start moving my ass.

I'll say more later--right now I have to ride my bike to tai chi.

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looks like she could pass for 195...

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squeeeb

hmmmm, that's it? one comparison to hitler? was i too obvious?

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The obesity issue is a global one and it stems from, as ratbastid points out, a broken consumer culture.

There is definitely an issue here, I just think you are approaching it in the wrong way.

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squeeeb

the point of this thread had nothing to do with obesity or overweight people.

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Punk.of.Ages

Huh?!

The thread is titled, "fat people are ruining the world"...

That's a pretty harsh statement for something that has nothing to do with obesity or overweight people.

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squeeeb

exactly

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Xerxys

Squeeeb, is it fat people like poeple who are over 117lbs (me ) or general greedy people? There are some hormonal disorders that can be accounted for at least 4% of obesity worldwide. Other than that, fat people don't consme more or less, they're just lazy and have bad eating habits.

Fat people like my boss, (she has to be 120lbs but she is digustingly fat on the inside) are the root of all evil.

Punk.of.Ages

Well, I may be missing something obvious here, but you've lost me, squeeeb-o...

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DaniGirl

Well squeeeb, my opinion of you has changed a little. I'm surprised how close minded you are on this subject. For one thing I can understand the health care subject but usually really obese people die before they go into the older years from heart disease. So in other words they die before they need assisted living and other money sucking programs that the elderly use.

Now when it comes to eating more I completely disagree. My little sister doesn't weight more then 130 pounds soaking wet and she can eat anyone out of house and home. Now me I don't have to eat much to gain weight. I have had three c-sections, two of which were in the last year so I am at the heaviest I have ever been. I am now close to 230 pounds. So I am one of those fatties you are talking about. Oh ya and I have a pretty tiny car. So now that I have debated all the issues at hand, what is the real issue you have with big peoplre? They are human just like you, just with more to love. Now come back with a better argument are keep your fat people issues to yourself.

Jetée

I see what your original underlying intention was... weird to see that not one other person has picked up on it yet.

I'm just now left wondering which will next: if people start catching onto your 'tilted premise', you start to offer up better solutions to combat this onslaught of obesity you seem to stand against proliferating, or some kind of misconstrual will result and someone is left even further out of the loop, stuck in some kind of stratosphere of debating a discussion they still think exists, but doesn't really.

Maybe I didn't read that much into your rant at all, and I actually sympathize with a point or three within your conglomerative stance on fattys.

---------- Post added at 08:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:58 PM ----------

Ah, it actually happened in the ten minutes and five replies in-between my message's receipt. Scenario #3 did, I mean.

Bravo.

interesting pickup:
(And a little discrepancy I've noticed about the "fat people eating more" thing; squeeeb expended an effort of one lonely sentence on this particular matter; it's very telling to see that a fair share of replies are seeking to engage this one matter of discussion, other than the plethora of other 'supposed sins' squeeeb pointed out that those who are "mass-index challenged" negatively affect in one way or another. Fat people, or just consumer-hungry oriented persons in general, do alot more and affect in a more widespread manner than the obvious "eating a ton/buying a farm's worth of supplies" generalization that is firstly/foremost attributed to such a group. It goes deeper, but I suppose scratching the surface is where we all must start.)

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DaniGirl

WHAT?? This all posted while I was typing my post, what the hell is going on? Why don't you just say what you mean then?

mrklixx

Does trolling have a "point"?

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I figured you were up to shenanigans. Gawd I love saying that word.

Tully Mars

Then please enlighten us. What is the point of this thread?

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Basically:

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To be a troll.

Fark must be slow today.

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i really cant see the justification for this thread. its like blaming gays for HIV and beastiality and finding prejudicial and popular social reasons for its validation.

lets pinpoint a certain demographic and lay into them shall we?

they eat more? maybe they eat the same, but exercise less. maybe they have a thyroid problem? maybe diabetes, HBP, disability...oh thats right, just kill them off and create the super-race...hitler once prescribed to this theory.

for someone who works in a hospital, i would have expected a little bit more from ths thread.

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Tully Mars

Hey, hey ,hey there. Just one minute. I may be fucking slow everyday for all you know.

(Plus I'd like to give the OP time for an explanation before I pull the plug on this thing.)

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Oh sweet Jesus no!! I was bleeding earlier today!!

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Canadians are ruining the world!

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Sometimes I wonder, squeeb, if you ever think your posts out beyond the initial idea that pops into your brain. They're interesting questions and they inspire a bit of conversation, but they're never developed more than "I was totally thinking about this and now I wrote it down."

It's the kind of conversation where everyone is sitting around after 5 or 6 drinks and they get in a fervor and shout back and forth and then it dies down once everyone realizes the sheer ridiculousness of taking any of it seriously. Then people start wondering if the person said it just to get a rise or maybe even as a joke. I suppose it's alright, but my personality tends to see it as a big waste of time - like someone said something controversial just to get a bunch of responses and laugh that people took it seriously.

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