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Waterboarding for Charity
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I'd not do it. I've watched a few of the videos around about it, and don't really understand the dynamics of the sensations. I'm not inclined to watch it again even with any kind of "star" laying on the board. I'd just as soon donate the money to the charity without witnessing the event. |
Sure, I'd like to see it just because it's Hannity and he opened himself up for it so flippantly.
If you want to see what the fuss is about, here's a story and video on Vanity Fair about Christopher Hitchens who was actually water boarded. Frankly, I'd like to see the event go down just to get the money to military families --blowhards be damned. |
Broadcast it live and see how many people still think it isn't torture.
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I'd do it, i'd give the money just so I can prove a point. That it is, in fact torture. Now, do I want them to stop doing it? That's another question. I'll go with no, they can continue waterboarding.
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I'm hoping this does play out, just because Hannity's comments were so naive. If he goes through with it and still maintains his nonchalant attitude toward torture, I'll eat my hat.
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He won't do it.
He'll bitch that he wasn't able to do it because of insurance reason. When in fact he just a frightened little boy trapped in a fat pasty white man's body. |
If I were to waterboard myself for charity, I'd want a lot more than $1000 a second and I'd want the money to go to the ACLU.
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I think this is disgusting.
This further trivializes torture—cruel and unusual punishment in general. Hannity has the choice as to whether he is subjected to this. He gets to agree to the terms. He gets a social reward for doing it. In the worst-case scenario he can laugh the whole thing off and it won't happen. This is more of the same in America: a morally bankrupt sideshow. |
if i was offered to do it for charity id do it. heck im tempted to get someone to try it just to see what it feels like. i may as well help those that are more needy along the way
im not belittleing the enormity of what this whole scenario entails. i do think its torture, but for a free man who knows that im not going to be subjected to freezing temperatures and sleepless nights with strobe lights after it, i can go into it knowing that im a free man afterwards. the guys at gitmo dont have that luxury. with the mind games, its definately torture |
For 1000 sheets a second I'd do a few minutes.
But of course its torture. If you are going to do it to people you need to have the courage to admit to yourself what it is youre doing. And I think most experience shows that torture is often a hopeless method of gathering information - because it just makes people tell you what they think you want or anything to sop the torture. America and the UK are hardly the worst nations for employing these types of techniques against people and other supoerpowers such as China have committed far greater human rights abuses: but you cant really fight under the banner of freedom and liberation when you must abandon your ideals to fight for the things you want to defend. (not that I call the UK a superpower of course, not since WWII have we been a great power) |
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What I've seen and read about waterboarding indicates that your knowledge of your safety has zero to do with it. The fact you'll be sleeping in a nice warm bed later instead of a cold cell has absolutely nothing to do with the primal "I'm dying" response that is produced in your body and brain by waterboarding. A prominent right-wing member of the Straight Dope forum waterboarded himself as an experiment. I'll give you the link to his whole thing in a sec, but the most compelling part of his story reads: Quote:
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Deja what? I could swear this topic was mentioned before in a previous thread.
... Sean Hannity. Yeah, waterboarding is far too cushy for that cocky bastard. Let's do the CIA-in-the-'70s bamboo-slivers-under-the-fingernails-and-toenails thing. Make it easier for him to scream the whole time. What an asshole. The living hell of torture is a joke for these talking heads. Makes me sick. Quote:
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They should add this as a regular even on fear factor (if that show is still on). It would be interesting to see if peoples attitudes changed twoard it.
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I agree, I think he'll probably bitch out at the last minute.
The thing that gets me about waterboarding is that the fear of drowning is a very primal, instinctual fear. I've had moments just in the swimming pool where I started panicking that I wouldn't reach the surface in time. (mostly from childhood) Anyone who doesn't think subjecting someone to this is torture doesn't understand the definition of torture. |
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yes the fear of drowining is primal. you need to experience it to know what it feels like |
I'd rather see him standing naked on a stool with a hood on and having his balls shocked. now that'd make some money.
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Well, obviously its a lot easier to say you'd do it than to do it - which is the point everyone is raising. But 40 seconds for $40,000 would be a lot of money for me. As unpleasant and horrible as I could imagine it would be, I think that the guy saying he'd rather have his fingers smashed with a hammer is plain wrong, or being misleading. A sensation of torture CANNOT be as bad as physical damage and disability. No one would prefer to never be able to use their hand for 40 years rather than 40 seconds of any kind of agony or horror if it ended and there was no more. |
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try not being able to use your brain to its full capacity..i'd rather lose a finger |
$40k for 40 seconds work would be good pay for anybody, SF. My point is, all your logic and reason don't mean a damn thing when your body is experiencing the physical sensation of drowning. At that moment, the thought "Every second I hold out is worth $1000" is WAY less important than "I can't breathe".
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Like I said put this on fear factor and we will get an idea how long people can actually last. I'm amazed they haven't put this on fear factor yet (maybe they don't want to torture their contestants).
From everything i've seen full waterboarding can emotionally scar you for years within a few seconds. Every video i've seen where the person had an option to quit they were done in about 3-4 seconds. |
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Pain, even extreme pain, is completely different than having the overwhelming feeling that you're going to die. |
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I slipped under and inhaled water during swimming lessons almost 20 years ago, and I still have nightmares about it from time to time. A broken bone is nothing compared to that feeling, because your brain loses capacity for rational thought and all you can do is flail your arms to try to get to the surface and understand that you're about to die. |
I read somewhere that some victims break their own bones trying to resist the sensation. I think that's quite telling. Then there's the permanent lung and brain damage.
You couldn't pay me enough. Money comes and goes, but you have one life to live. |
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